Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version VI Night 2 / Day 2

[Local Hero]

yeah I gotta say, no role claims have really been questioned until the last one or two

To be fair I questioned Vash's at least twice day 1

 

[VashTheStampede]

You’re not even slightly being helpful or giving me a reason to want to do that though? And we get the same info by killing you? Help me help you.

We lynch Jawneh, you check Local if you want (I now know 100% he's full of beans and think its a waste but I totally understand), I'll check Alu. One of us dies tonight and the survivors pick up the pieces.

 

[Benzine]

As for Holly's claim, it was big and grandiose from the beginning. And just like in vash's mafia game, you forget what the numbers mean and you get a free pass for the whole game. Why not a new role and how that operates as well?

I know this isn’t the first time you’ve claimed judge by why so long to claim?

Why target vash if you know you’re the judge instead of holly? I guess Vash has to be the instigator if you are the judge but… yeah. People can kill Vash tomorrow during the day if that’s true.

 

[VashTheStampede]

To be fair I questioned Vash's at least twice day 1

Before or after I called you out as sus?

I'm curious.

 

[Tommy Boy]

To be fair I questioned Vash's at least twice day 1

I guess I meant more specifically, Holly was believed right away, as was I. Not saying I shouldn't be believed, as I've been honest about my role every single game, but it is odd that there are few who get the pass under the radar and few who are scrutinized. Not trying to damage town moral at all, either. I just think maybe we gotta be more careful with the instigator team out there.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also Local is doing the classic move of "I'm not a wolf, I'm a townie with an important role. Also I have been unable to use that role to give us anything actionable. But trust me!"

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash = instigator that somehow knew Raine or Ben was a wolf

 

[Local Hero]

Before or after I called you out as sus?

I'm curious.

Post in thread 'GWF Wolf - Zell's Version VI Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-wolf-zells-version-vi-night-1-day-1.712/post-37249

Before

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 I need to ask two really dumb questions with likely obvious answers: Are there any roles the Instigator cannot instigate? Are instigated players able to use their abilities after the first night?

Instigated players still have their normal abilities. Anybody in this setup can be Instigated, and they would find out when they got their role at the beginning of night 1.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Post in thread 'GWF Wolf - Zell's Version VI Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-wolf-zells-version-vi-night-1-day-1.712/post-37249

Before

ok maybe thats what tipped me off to you then lol

 

[Local Hero]

Vash = instigator that somehow knew Raine or Ben was a wolf

Your wolf teammate would communicate this info to you. Thanks.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Your wolf teammate would communicate this info to you. Thanks.

Joke's on you, I STILL haven't read the Instigator role and don't really understand how it works

 

[Local Hero]

Joke's on you, I STILL haven't read the Instigator role and don't really understand how it works

 

[Ants!]

@Fool's Requiem I would throw a rock at someone that's closely aligned with Vash, maybe someone he's cleared as being blue.

@Ants!, Vote Vash

Townies, vote Vash

Safer bet is to vote one of the other sus people on the list and let Benzine have time to investigate both of you.

I think the flagger and the doctor BOTH should give their protections to Benzine, in case one of those two protectors is with the instigator.

I will investigate local tonight and that will sort this idea out. Very late to be going like this.

What if the flagger is on the instigator team and doesn’t protect me? That would be really bad. I think doctor tubby is the good role orientated instigator friend.

@Ants! i assume you won’t listen to local, we still need to vote together to beat potentially 9 votes! The instigator and friends won’t be aligning themselves with the town this time. We have 7 in our side for this vote with you having two extra votes to tie it at nine @Holly you are probably required to attempt a kill here as the vote will split.

@Tubby23 with the above knowledge plain to everyone and your insistence not to vote with the town, for what can only be called a made up reason of maybe killing an innocent (are you pretending this game is real life and don’t want to kill someone?). It’s maddening to see you not want to support the towns team and give free kills to the wolves? If you hadn’t been making many mistakes in previous games I’d say without doubt you are the instigators partner.

Flagger, in the hope you are good, I think you have some juicy targets.

I think I’m getting lynched here if the town don’t all vote in unison for jawneh. Keep it simple (stupid).

Local makes a good case, if very late to the game and involving a few coincidences. I’m willing to let him live long enough for you to check him. He wasn’t even first in line for lynching anyway, we were swinging Jawneh.

 

[Jawneh]

We lynch Jawneh, you check Local if you want (I now know 100% he's full of beans and think its a waste but I totally understand), I'll check Alu. One of us dies tonight and the survivors pick up the pieces.

... except if you're so sure on Local why not get him off and not waste anything on him then? I'd die to lynch and wolves take someone else. If I'm checked and local is gone, my claims are cleared and we are up one townie.

I know this isn’t the first time you’ve claimed judge by why so long to claim?

Since other than he said she said, I had nothing. Hence why I Kelly would've given me my good guy badge and help get her outed next. It was a plan in making first with the fun stuff involving Ben plus also to help oust a wolf/instigator.

 

[Jawneh]

... except if you're so sure on Local why not get him off and not waste anything on him then? I'd die to lynch and wolves take someone else. If I'm checked and local is gone, my claims are cleared and we are up one townie.

And to add to this, the one who'd be benefitting the most out of killing me and then Local tomorrow if he's a wolf is the instigator team. One townie and one wolf. Closer to taking control of both sides.

 

[VashTheStampede]

... except if you're so sure on Local why not get him off and not waste anything on him then? I'd die to lynch and wolves take someone else. If I'm checked and local is gone, my claims are cleared and we are up one townie.

I already said I'd switch to Local if I could be sure that we wouldn't split the vote and harm the town. You're talking to the wrong guy.

 

[Jawneh]

I already said I'd switch to Local if I could be sure that we wouldn't split the vote and harm the town. You're talking to the wrong guy.

Okay, gotcha. My bad on that part.

I'll say it officially myself I'm voting Local.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I dislike this Instigator crap. I don't know who I can trust. The great thing about Cupid/Lovers is that they can still win with the team they started with. Players stuck with the Instigator have one win condition but can still play like their initial team and use their abilities to make their game easier.

I want to trust that Ants, Vash, canadaguy, Ben, Kit, anf Benzine are all still on my side, but there is no way to know.

Also, a special "fuck you" to Mr/Ms Shadow Wolf.

 

[Zell 17]

Joke's on you, I STILL haven't read the Instigator role and don't really understand how it works

Cupid on steroids

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Instigator Aura: Unknown During the first night, a random villager and a random wolf be be selected to be recruited by the instigator. These players can no longer win with their original teams and can only win with the instigator. The instigator and their recruits can communicate privately and will know each other's roles. The instigator CAN be killed by the wolves at night. If one recruit dies, the other will die as well. If the instigator's recruits die, they will gain the ability to kill any villager they choose at night. The instigator wins if they or their recruits are the only surviving players.


@Zell 17 , another question. If the Instigator dies in any manner, what happens to his/her recruits? The rules don't mention that possibility .

 

[Zell 17]

Instigator Aura: Unknown During the first night, a random villager and a random wolf be be selected to be recruited by the instigator. These players can no longer win with their original teams and can only win with the instigator. The instigator and their recruits can communicate privately and will know each other's roles. The instigator CAN be killed by the wolves at night. If one recruit dies, the other will die as well. If the instigator's recruits die, they will gain the ability to kill any villager they choose at night. The instigator wins if they or their recruits are the only surviving players.


@Zell 17 , another question. If the Instigator dies in any manner, what happens to his/her recruits? The rules don't mention that possibility .

They are still around trying to win.

 

[Benzine]

@Fool's Requiem we will get all the wolves first which sorts our instigator stuff out just as well. Hard to find the people involved and they aren’t exactly murdering us(yet) so don’t stress.

Have you used your rock? It’s key to hit a wolf (gl) today for the vote again. I believe in you.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hit Local, profit

 

[Benzine]

Hit Local, profit

Part of local family, Local Hero, Local Prophet, Local Profit. These are the locals I’ve been so worried about.

Btw @Jawneh no one is sure about any bad roles right now. You’re just the choice and we mostly agree in the town that it is safer to band together to deny the wolves the chance to kill. Killing you stops that and also gives us more info for the night. It’s just simple.

 

[Ben]

... except if you're so sure on Local why not get him off

They are still around trying to win.

I don't think you answered my earlier question on whether they're still trying to win on the solo team, or go back to village/wolf team?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Love me a good Archer reference!

@Benzine I have not. I got verified that any player I throw a rock at, their vote is void regardless of when I throw it and when they vote, so I've chosen to hold out. Still have a few hours. I haven't even voted yet.

 

[Ants!]

Spare both Vash and Local until Benzine can check them.

Whichever one of them is telling the truth can check Jawneh. Meanwhile we figure out if we’re lynching Raposuh or Alu.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Raposuh has been cleared as a wolf by both myself and Benzine, ftr.

Obviously I don't know if he's instigator or evil townie

 

[VashTheStampede]

Just want to point out that I have given information to help the town as a whole.

Local has only provided "information" related to himself.

 

[Ants!]

Raposuh has been cleared as a wolf by both myself and Benzine, ftr.

Obviously I don't know if he's instigator or evil townie

That’s why I suggested instigator before, yall both verified that he didn’t kill anybody. Still no aura check or role claim.

 

[Ants!]

Just want to point out that I have given information to help the town as a whole.

Local has only provided "information" related to himself.

His story is at least plausible, and I see no reason why his death is more urgent than the others yet, so he can be checked tonight to see if he turns red after the wolves kill.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

As a town, we need to be more unified on who we're lynching. I'm seeing people say "Vote Jawneh" and then Ants is over hear saying we need to vote Kit or Alu. We have 5 hours remaining. I'd prefer not to let the wolves get an easy lynch while the town is all over the place.

 

[Local Hero]

If not vote/stone Vash, vote Jawneh, stone Kit

 

[VashTheStampede]

His story is at least plausible, and I see no reason why his death is more urgent than the others yet, so he can be checked tonight to see if he turns red after the wolves kill.

Yeah, it's just frustrating knowing that he's full of crap and making us waste a check but I get it.

 

[Benzine]

Yeah, it's just frustrating knowing that he's full of crap and making us waste a check but I get it.

Yeah yeah Vash but it is entirely possible that you are the instigator in this game of deception. If you are good and it feels bad that's an annoying part of the game for you

 

[VashTheStampede]

If not vote/stone Vash, vote Jawneh, stone Kit

Now that I've read the role:

If I'm instigator then I don't get the ability to kill until after my charges are dead. So the only reason to stone me would be if you think Jawneh is instigated.

Makes more sense to stone Local in my completely correct  unbiased opinion.

 

[Benzine]

I agree that Local getting stoned is the best course of action. I'll do it too to be a pal.

 

[Benzine]

I just took a pic of my vape and this screen and then realised my screen is filthy and I won't be sharing that photo and instead will clean my screen.

 

[canadaguy]

Part of local family, Local Hero, Local Prophet, Local Profit. These are the locals I’ve been so worried about.

Btw @Jawneh no one is sure about any bad roles right now. You’re just the choice and we mostly agree in the town that it is safer to band together to deny the wolves the chance to kill. Killing you stops that and also gives us more info for the night. It’s just simple.

Also us controing the lynch of potentially the judge makes sure we don't lose more powerful town roles. Town needs to stay united or we give away control.

 

[Benzine]

Yep, control. We're trying to walk in a goal here. Or whatever you Americans would use as an equivalent term. Do people walk in touchdowns? The worlds safest and slowest fastbreak? A walk?

 

[canadaguy]

And if Jawneh is the judge, Holly is outed

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yep, control. We're trying to walk in a goal here. Or whatever you Americans would use as an equivalent term. Do people walk in touchdowns? The worlds safest and slowest fastbreak? A walk?

Playing small ball maybe

 

[Local Hero]

Stone whoever you want. I think it makes sense to stone Vash so you can kill him tomorrow. But it's your choice.

 

[VashTheStampede]

(Local, when we hit the dead chat, drinks are on me)

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Jawneh]

If I'm instigator then I don't get the ability to kill until after my charges are dead. So the only reason to stone me would be if you think Jawneh is instigated.

Except the aura check would clear me which I'm pushing already since day 1.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Except the aura check would clear me which I'm pushing already since day 1.

Werewolf fan?

 

[Benzine]

Except the aura check would clear me which I'm pushing already since day 1.

I'm not checking you man, it's not worth moving off the vote for you. It seems like you would want to sow confusion in the vote process. It kinda makes me think Local is not a wolf, but maybe the instig, if the rock is going his way, and you want confusion maybe you think you can win the vote.