Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Day 2/Night 3

[TD]

...run that by me again?

Are you saying we CAN eliminate my guy from that list of 6?

Oh. Did we just confuse eachother?

I listed my top 3 targets this day. Can you prove I'm wrong about any of those 3 being a wolf?

If that's what your saying - we know different people.

 

[Raine]

I think I'm caught up now. Maybe. Apparently I have to go dumpster diving through the last thread to see what the hell's going on.

The odds of Benzine getting Medium twice in a row can't be that high, surely?

 

[Cole]

Oh. Did we just confuse eachother?

I listed my top 3 targets this day. Can you prove I'm wrong about any of those 3 being a wolf?

If that's what your saying - we know different people.

I can remove one of your top 3, yes. 100%.

so my brain is sitll mushy.

So if I can eliminate one of your top 3.

Are you saying we have 5 potentials and 5 enemies remaining?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'd like to point out that the Spirit Seer sees blue, that doesn't completely mean they aren't a killer. Blue jsut means they didn't kill at night. A Wolf Seer and a RK can avoid detection from the Spirit Seer.

 

[TD]

I can remove one of your top 3, yes. 100%.

so my brain is sitll mushy.

So if I can eliminate one of your top 3.

Are you saying we have 5 potentials and 5 enemies remaining?

And of those five potentials, I know one of them has come back blue during a wolf kill.

So.. is that our RK and the other 4 are our wolves?

 

[TD]

I'd like to point out that the Spirit Seer sees blue, that doesn't completely mean they aren't a killer. Blue jsut means they didn't kill at night. A Wolf Seer and a RK can avoid detection from the Spirit Seer.

Wolf Seer...
Good catch.

 

[Cole]

I'd like to point out that the Spirit Seer sees blue, that doesn't completely mean they aren't a killer. Blue jsut means they didn't kill at night. A Wolf Seer and a RK can avoid detection from the Spirit Seer.

Why does everyone keep separating the random killer from this search? It doesn't matter. RK is an enemy of the town.

as far as the wolf seer, the role dictionary says "all wolves will appear as red if the wolves kill someone" why are we eliminating the wolf seer from that?

 

[Cole]

And of those five potentials, I know one of them has come back blue during a wolf kill.

So.. is that our RK and the other 4 are our wolves?

YES, this is my theory. Very much this is my theory.

 

[Raposuh]

Can I call dibs on killing Raposa?

Don't know if he's a wolf but he's almost as funny as me and that's intimidating

You'll have to get past the fiendish traps I've laid out to protect myself from zombies, werewolves, and hippies.

 

[TD]

YES, this is my theory. Very much this is my theory.

Maybe we wait a bit.. but it sounds like we may know our 5.

 

[Cole]

Maybe we wait a bit.. but it sounds like we may know our 5.

unless for some reason your potential RK lines up with my confirmed Jailer. It's distinctly possible.

 

[TD]

If a wolf doesn't vote with the wolves, do they show red or blue?

Now I'm confused.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

"Spirit Seer - Can check one or two players to see if they killed someone at night. The simply receive a color, red or blue. Blue results means none of the players selected killed anyone. Red means at least one player selected killed someone, if not both. All wolves show red if there is a wolf kill. A jailed player will always show as blue. This power is used at night by PMing the name or names of the players they wish to check. Aura: Good"

While it does say "all wolves show red if there is a wolf kill", the Wolf Seer does not participate in the killing unless they choose to no longer see.

@Zell 17 can you verify that if the Wolf Seer shows red regardless of whether or not they're involved in Wolf kills?

RK still avoids detection by not killing if the Spirit Seer sees them.

 

[Cole]

maybe it is wrong, but "all wolves" feels fairly unambiguous to me.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

maybe it is wrong, but "all wolves" feels fairly unambiguous to me.

I understand but I really want to make sure.

 

[TD]

In my opinion there's quite a bit of wording that can be polished up for clarity.

 

[Cole]

and again, to be clear, it DOES NOT MATTER if the rk shows red or blue.

you guys that keep mentioning that are looking at this backwards.

we are not listing suspects.

we are REMOVING townies. there is a big specific difference here.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

TBH, the Wolf Seer is a confusing role in general. If they choose to participate in voting, do they no longer get to see for the rest of the game or just for that one night?

 

[A Punched Face]

Raposa, Fools, Benzine, Warp, Ants, Dean, Tubby, Vash, Holly

these are the people that we 1 or more of us can NOT confirm are members of the town.

At minimum we can remove 3 of them from our investigations if there was overlap.

if Fools is to be believed, and Vashs implication is to be believed, that leaves Raposa, Benzine, Warp, Ants, Dean, Tubby and Holly.

I can confirm 1 of those remaining is NOT an enemy.

thats 6 potentials, and 5 enemies remaining.

Can anyone confirm of those 6 if someone you investigated is innocent OR at least not a wolf?

Quoting this.

I can confirm 1 from your list of 7 as a townie.

 

[Cole]

alu is typing and I'm making eggs.

 

[TD]

If the wolf seer shows blue, that matters for 1 of my 2 checks and it matters for someone we think is a townie.

 

[Cole]

Quoting this.

I can confirm 1 from your list of 7 as a townie.

okay, but it CAN NOT be my jailer, because the jailer is unknown.

 

[A Punched Face]

alu is typing and I'm making eggs.

Summary post is about to be started on, that was a quick one replying there.

And correct, we can confirm 2 separate people from your list of 7. So if everything else is correct then we have our list of 5. I'll try to get my message across in a moment.

 

[Cole]

but that does throw a wrench in the plans then, because that means we have 4 unconfirmed, but 5 enemies.

someone is lying or there is an overlap that I missed.

 

[Cole]

but that does throw a wrench in the plans then, because that means we have 4 unconfirmed, but 5 enemies.

someone is lying or there is an overlap that I missed.

or may be I'm wrong and alu is right thst we have our 5.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

and again, to be clear, it DOES NOT MATTER if the rk shows red or blue.

you guys that keep mentioning that are looking at this backwards.

we are not listing suspects.

we are REMOVING townies. there is a big specific difference here.

Because we can't be 100% certain that every person the Spirit Seer sees blue is a townie. We can't remove them for certain.

 

[TD]

Because we can't be 100% certain that every person the Spirit Seer sees blue is a townie. We can't remove them for certain.

We aren't saying they're a townie.
We are saying they are not a wolf.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

We aren't saying they're a townie.
We are saying they are not a wolf.

Ok, cool

 

[TD]

Quoting this.

I can confirm 1 from your list of 7 as a townie.

Just to confirm.

Good, not unknown, right?

 

[Cole]

We aren't saying they're a townie.
We are saying they are not a wolf.

yeah, we're not eliminating enemies, we're trying to confirm townies.

 

[Cole]

Just to confirm.

Good, not unknown, right?

hes the aura seer and he says he confirmed someone n ight 0 thats good.

 

[TD]

hes the aura seer and he says he confirmed someone n ight 0 thats good.

I'm just wanting to make sure.
I'm good, if we believe FR, he's good.
If CG is aura, he's good. Kut was good.
That would confirm the remaining good is one of the misc roles.

 

[Cole]

I am not gonna lie, all this talking around the words is definitely confusing me. But I 100% think between just the three of us (thanks to canadaguys assistance) we can narrow down all 5 bad guys.

But also, we can NOT guarantee Fools or Vash are innocent here.

And we also cant 100% guarantee that canadaguy isn't playing 29D Monopoly.

 

[TD]

I am not gonna lie, all this talking around the words is definitely confusing me. But I 100% think between just the three of us (thanks to canadaguys assistance) we can narrow down all 5 bad guys.

But also, we can NOT guarantee Fools or Vash are innocent here.

And we also cant 100% guarantee that canadaguy isn't playing 29D Monopoly.

If the wolf seer comes back red, cg is clear.

 

[TD]

Dean, Tubby, and Warp are my top 3.
If there's a way that one of you can confirm I'm flat out wrong but keep it among yourselves if you don't trust me that'd be great.

@aura seer
Looking for overlap. Can you disprove this?

 

[TD]

FR would be easy to disprove.
If he's lying, the real one needs to step forward.

Sure it's possible there's two, but VERY unlikely.

 

[VashTheStampede]

But also, we can NOT guarantee Fools or Vash are innocent here.

We could have guaranteed me yesterday but no one had the balls to help me in the closing minutes

 

[TD]

We could have guaranteed me yesterday but no one had the balls to help me in the closing minutes

 

[Raine]

Don't overthink it. FR is just on permanent Alu protection duty. If Alu dies, FR gets wiped out by the town. If Alu lives, FR tells us who made the attempt.


I think, with having no access to seers or anything, I can drop the list down to 7-ish just from role claims and hints. And of those, some immediately stand out as people that generally wouldn't get examined on Night 2 (1, if using 0) at present.

People like Benzine, Raposa and Tubby. If y'all can confirm that you indeed haven't scanned them, well...

 

[Cole]

if I confirm your list, Warp, then someone is going to get exposed that has chosen to not expose themselves.

I hope you understand that before you give me the go ahead to do so.

 

[Cole]

guys are we comfortable assuming there is no berseker? because I certainly would've been dead... right?

 

[Raposuh]

Perhaps the berserker is just dumb, all roided out on berserk juice.

 

[Raine]

guys are we comfortable assuming there is no berseker? because I certainly would've been dead... right?

I'm leaning towards there not being one. I think if they had it, they would have indeed gone for you or CG and tried to score a double/triple.

And, also, it's entirely possible that the Medium and the Jailer are the people I mentioned. I'm just pointing out that you can work this a couple of different ways.

 

[Cole]

also. we can get a third kill.

if we can narrow down the list to reasonable certainty.

I shoot one

we lynch one.

the jailer can jail and kill one tonight

 

[TD]

There's no way for us to know if a berserker exists or not unless I've missed something.

 

[A Punched Face]

Starting by copying and pasting Cole's list to make it easier on myself.



@Raposa - Suspicion: 5/10- Zero information at all. I agree with Cole's assessment here. Not sure what I can add

@Fool's Requiem - 3/10- I'm going to be leaning slightly more townie on this one, there's nothing in particular that makes me really want to do it for sure though. His play style has changed from the last game and he's been heavily implying that he's a combo protector and information gathering role. That is exactly one role on the list, and I currently have no real reason to doubt it. But it's also not something you can confirm easily.

@canadaguy - 2/10- I do believe he is what he hinted. - I'm leaning pretty heavily toward townie on this one. I'd like to get it confirmed here for real. He's been active enough to get an idea on, and I feel like trusting the other publicly confirmed townie on this one.

@shortkut -

@Benzine - 5/10- I think he's the One that's simply just a major unknown here. I'm not sure I can lead either way unless I find out there's something in or near the land of downunder that could prove why he's behaving the way he is. Gonna keep this as is for the time being (as in keeping Cole's score)

@Warp - 8/10- I'm leaning even more heavily into the realm of bad news here than Cole. I'm also not 100% sold, but it seems fairly likely at this point.

@Ants! - 4.5/10- Leaning more guilty than Cole's list, but not by much. With people being more narrowed down it becomes more likely that he's a wolf. On the same token, I Don't think he's the One to have a repeat role in this game.

@Cole - 10/10: would townie again

@Dean - 7/10- I'm more suspicious here than Cole's list yesterday. Part of that has to do with who has been eliminated and proven to be a townie at this point, but also I'm not sure if there's any information available that would lead me to believe him to be a townie.

@Tubby23 - 7/10- throwing in the same camp as Dean here. My suspicion levels have gone up since yesterday with the townie numbers declining. I honestly don't have too big of a lead here, it's more of a numbers game at this point.

@VashTheStampede - 6.9/10- Keeping the 6.9 because it's a more fun number. Vash claims to be dropping subtle hints to disagree with this assessment, but should we believe him? Unless we can honestly get a good read on his play style it's a bit on the hard side. I mean it's a good play style in terms of people guessing though.

@TD - 1/10- I have nothing to add here. I feel fairly convinced at this point.

@Holly - 6/10- Holly has been acting a bit weird so I'm leaning on the side of being suspicious. I don't know if I can go full into claiming anything either way at this point, as I only really have the last game as a point of comparison.



Now to read what you've all been posting in the meantime.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Don't overthink it. FR is just on permanent Alu protection duty. If Alu dies, FR gets wiped out by the town. If Alu lives, FR tells us who made the attempt.

Problem is that if the Berserk is in play, me telling everyone who I shield is pointless. They die anyways.

 

[Raposuh]

If I'm reading the berserker and Tough Guy roles correctly, the only way to know would be if 2 people die from a wolf attack overnight. There's no way to know ahead of time.

 

[Cole]

Starting by copying and pasting Cole's list to make it easier on myself.



@Raposa - Suspicion: 5/10- Zero information at all. I agree with Cole's assessment here. Not sure what I can add

@Fool's Requiem - 3/10- I'm going to be leaning slightly more townie on this one, there's nothing in particular that makes me really want to do it for sure though. His play style has changed from the last game and he's been heavily implying that he's a combo protector and information gathering role. That is exactly one role on the list, and I currently have no real reason to doubt it. But it's also not something you can confirm easily.

@canadaguy - 2/10- I do believe he is what he hinted. - I'm leaning pretty heavily toward townie on this one. I'd like to get it confirmed here for real. He's been active enough to get an idea on, and I feel like trusting the other publicly confirmed townie on this one.

@shortkut -

@Benzine - 5/10- I think he's the One that's simply just a major unknown here. I'm not sure I can lead either way unless I find out there's something in or near the land of downunder that could prove why he's behaving the way he is. Gonna keep this as is for the time being (as in keeping Cole's score)

@Warp - 8/10- I'm leaning even more heavily into the realm of bad news here than Cole. I'm also not 100% sold, but it seems fairly likely at this point.

@Ants! - 4.5/10- Leaning more guilty than Cole's list, but not by much. With people being more narrowed down it becomes more likely that he's a wolf. On the same token, I Don't think he's the One to have a repeat role in this game.

@Cole - 10/10: would townie again

@Dean - 7/10- I'm more suspicious here than Cole's list yesterday. Part of that has to do with who has been eliminated and proven to be a townie at this point, but also I'm not sure if there's any information available that would lead me to believe him to be a townie.

@Tubby23 - 7/10- throwing in the same camp as Dean here. My suspicion levels have gone up since yesterday with the townie numbers declining. I honestly don't have too big of a lead here, it's more of a numbers game at this point.

@VashTheStampede - 6.9/10- Keeping the 6.9 because it's a more fun number. Vash claims to be dropping subtle hints to disagree with this assessment, but should we believe him? Unless we can honestly get a good read on his play style it's a bit on the hard side. I mean it's a good play style in terms of people guessing though.

@TD - 1/10- I have nothing to add here. I feel fairly convinced at this point.

@Holly - 6/10- Holly has been acting a bit weird so I'm leaning on the side of being suspicious. I don't know if I can go full into claiming anything either way at this point, as I only really have the last game as a point of comparison.



Now to read what you've all been posting in the meantime.

so my guess then is that you confirmed the same thing as someone else has confirmed.

 

[A Punched Face]

so my guess then is that you confirmed the same thing as someone else has confirmed.

I'm not entirely certain of that. I need to reread.