Okay you know what? The way I see it, I'm probably dead in the night phase now because of kut's Detective Pikachu act so I'm gonna just come out with it.
I'm an aura seer. Night 1 I checked Cole (because OF COURSE I did). He came up unknown. That's also why I immediately pressed him when he role claimed as Witch, because that would match up.
Last night I checked Fire Queen. She's Evil. Tried to drop hints in my first couple posts in this day thread, but this isn't the time for subtlety.
the plot fucking THICKENS oh man. so we all know Vash doesnt love role claiming, he wasn't as frustrated about it as others, but i know he's against it. So was this desperation because he definitely thought he was dead at kuts hand? Or is this a wolf ploy. if its a wolf ploy, it's kind of a stupid one, because if we lynch (or kill) Fire Queen, and she ISN'T a wolf, Vash dies. but on the third hand, it could be the second one, but instead hes the Fool and knows we'll lynch him if hes proven wrong. (Would be highly amusing if we lynch FQ on Vashs word, she really is a wolf, and Vash doesn't get lynched for it.
ok i have returned from the airport and am about to air out my thoughts.
WARNING: i run these games far more often than i am a player in them so my skills are not as honed as others might be. take everything i say with a grain of salt because while i may not be
the Fool i am known to be a bit of a silly goose sometimes
also i am ignoring any role claiming anyone may have done
Cole: everpresent and ever vocal, Cole is a force to be reckoned with in any game such as this. i don't think he's on team wolf but if he is, god damn, put him in the wolf hall of fame.
Fire Queen: extremely cool and attractive and somewhat mysterious. does get really moody whenever there is a full moon but that also might just be hormones. will have to check her prescription bottles to see if she is taking wolf estrogen (fun fact, the fiancee and i watched through batman: the animated series earlier this year and
wolf estrogen is literally a plot point in one of the episodes)
shortkut: he's no columbo but he's ok in my book
Tommy Boy: fell suspiciously silent after rumors started abounding that he might be the fool. but also i remember from another thread that his partner is finally returning from overseas so he probably does have a bunch of real life stuff going on. but also both could be true
Dean: honestly can't get a read on this guy. i'll be honest i didn't read every single post during the day phase but i feel like he was one of the less active ones. definitely more active so far this day phase, so probably best not to put too much stuck into it
Ryan!: odds snafu on day 1 aside, it seems like the current scuttlebutt is that this fellow is either the bodyguard or pulling an insane amount of strings to make it look like he's the bodyguard? i think he's a more likely Fool than wolf in any case
Killface!: laying low as well, but again i think it's folly to suggest that less activity = wolf. (case in point Cole in the game i just ran LOL) not sure if he's claimed a role? someone correct me if i'm wrong on that but if not that's something to consider
Jawneh: somehow i don't think this guy is a wolf. it just feels off. i'm going to trust my gut on this one even if i had taco bell earlier today
VashTheStampede: don't think i didn't notice the little coded message in his first post during this day phase. i love noticing little things like that. as for why that coded message was there i genuinely have no idea. if Vash is the fool it makes absolutely zero sense to cast suspicion on someone else unless he is playing 5d chess which he may very well be doing. i think one of the more likely scenarios is that vash is either a wolf or one of the random townie roles
Holly: trying to figure out Holly's innocence with all of the shaman and seer role hullabaloo makes me feel like charlie from always sunny with his conspiracy theory board. i'm definitely a fake fan though because i can't even remember the name of the character who that corkboard is about. i'm also not going to google it. anyway i will let more seasoned players have discourse here
Alu: see above. i will add that if i had the last remaining unclaimed random townie role i would definitely
NOT have claimed it because that is just painting a big old target on your back for the berserk wolf who still has their ability remaining. but maybe that is just down to a difference in playstyles
Kat: how could a cat be a wolf? it just doesn't make sense. anyway for real though it's kinda suspicious how much information Kat has for supposedly posting so little
given Vashs information, this post needs to be explored DEEPLY. for some reason he definitely thinks Jawneh ISN'T a wolf. Protecting a fellow wolf perhaps? Also for some reason says he thinks Ryan is FOOL, not Wolf, but why? We don't have any evidence to truly support that other than a fake role claim. More thorough examination needed once we make a call.
Rude! I called out Fool's Requiem as the serial killer and offered to lynch him, which wouldn't even gain me anything as a wolf. It would've just saved the town a potion. Ants was obviously bad but I felt he was too risky to lynch as the fool, especially with FR as an alternative. Which I said.
i disagree. yes you "saved us a potion", but lynching him does nothing but good things for you. the serial killer is off the board, and getting to claim now that you "saved us a potion" is a convenient ally when we definitely WERENT going to be lynching him. In fact when I made my post suggesting it be discussed, it was to illicit t his exact response. To see who went along with it. there was no reason to attempt to lynch Ants OR Fool, there wasn't enough informaiton. This is also why I knew for a fact Fool was guilty, because he tried to get us to lynch him.
Does it? We have to kill him eventually if he is, and wouldn't it be better to do it before doctor or gunner are revealed? Although I guess the risk is we lose a strong player or role earlier in the game. Maybe later it won't be able to do much damage (though we're kinda fucked already if that ends up the case). Idk, I'm on the fence on that one. Who do you think we would lose now? Shortkut probably, right? That would admittedly be a big blow, we don't have any other way to investigate people right now. Hmm.
No offense, Ryan. Just speculating. Don't eat me please.
It does. The Avenger takes a random player with him. If we had the choice between which wolves to kill, the Avenger would be the last because he gets a free townie kill out of it. So in my book that makes him a bit more of a difficult kill, yeah. It's not just about which role we lose alongside the Avenger, but a numbers game. We need to take as few townie losses as humanly possible right now. Which is why it was so important to get Fools dead before he could stack kills on us.
I don't mean to be arrogant, but I suspect we'd lose me. According to the rules, he can choose who dies with him anywhere up until the point that he dies. My interpretation is that he can't choose someone at the moment of his death, but anytime before hand. And so far, (if everyone is to be believed), shortkut checked me as Detective, Vash investigated me as Seer, Ryan protected me as Bodyguard, I seem to have been a night 0 topic of conversation. Also interestingly enough, there was no kill night 0 even though we started with it. Is it possible the wolves (or Serial Killer) tried to take me out and Ryan *IS* telling the truth and I was protected?
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@Zell 17 after this game, can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE share how many actions were taken on me night 0?)
it would be really funny if i was the fool and got shaman’d wouldn’t it? but what are the odds of that. wait i forgot we were done talking about odds
The post this comes from is his list of defenses in regard to Vashs accusation. The post was half real comments, and half sarcasm. This one sticks out to me. It seems convenient that you'd suggest you might be the fool, thus giving us reason to doubt lynching you. I dunno why, but my radar does go off to this. You might call it sarcasm, but I think its deliberate.
Lmao why would they do that? They lose too if the fool gets lynched.
in theory the Shaman wouldn't have known FQ was the fool, and therefore got very lucky. The BETTER question is... the activity on day 1 primarily involved myself, shortkut, Ryan, Holly, Fools, and Ants, with side roles played by Vash, and Jawneh. If Vash is telling the truth, he investigated FQ and got EXTREMELY lucky. But with the flurry of activity from last night, do we really think TWO people in this game would randomly choose an inactive townie to perform an action on? The Shaman especially, why on earth would the Shaman care about Fire Queen in this case, when there were wolves in jeopardy. shortkut annoucned he would compare someone to *ME* last night, the logical choice for the wolves would have either been to mask ME or Holly, unless all 4 wolves are braindead (which Ants is not), there's no way they'd burn shaman on a random player of the game last night. No reason at all.
Oh and Fire Queen obviously.
Well played Vash, that was really smart to leave clues like that. Even if you died without pointing them out, we might've thought to go back and look for them once we saw your role.
I absolutely did not pick up on Vash's clues, I have to go back and reread them.
Protection potion exists, Vash.
they do, and I agree we want to protect Vash.
BUT, the medium is now gone. The berserker wolf is going to be more likely to use his ability now. Which means if we protect Vash, we would go with him. Hmm
2. He's the fool and planned this as a frame job hoping to be lynched for it and is just using it to fuck around since he's doomed.
Possible outcomes of lynching her: he's lucky and she's a wolf (50/50 odds at this point), or she's actually a townie. She's definitely not the fool if he is.
Verdict: I still say lynch. If she had a powerful townie role and was being framed, she'd probably have said so immediately.
I was typing this post as you sent replies, before I submitted I went back up to check.
I find it interesting that we both drew the same conclusion, not only about the 3 options, but about the Fool potentially using effectively a double swerve to get himself lynched.
I am... so intrigued.
In the last game, a bunch of people vaguely claimed I was suspicious because I was "unsure of how to proceed". Well, most of you should be pretty 100% that I'm a townie at this point, and I've also told you I haven't sent a single lie th is entire game so far (that of course has yet to be proven), that said, I am absolutely unsure how to proceed.
The Fool makes this an even bigger challenge than normal. If the Fool didn't exist, we'd lynch Fire Queen or Vash and sort it out from there. Either we're correct and it's done, or we're wrong and the OTHER ONE gets lynched the next day. but if we're wrong about either, they could be the fool, and it's just game over.
Vash, Ryan, Fire Queen, Kat, Alu, Tommy. The suspect list is growing too long, and there are way too many threads to follow, and too many possibilities to unfold. I'm struggling.
but I'm making a decision.
I think this is the best course of action. Fire Queen gets lynched here and now. I don't have real reason to suspect that Fire Queen is the Fool other than his vague tossing that out there to cast doubt in our mind.
If Fire Queen is NOT a wolf, the next day the GUNNER WHOEVER YOU ARE HOPE YOU'RE READING kills Vash in the day phase. This is effectively the same as the 50/50 without the fool role, so problem solved, we lose a townie unfortunately, but we still get an enemy of the town.
If FQ is lynched and is a Wolf, then Vash is our seer (definitely 100% too beacuse the Fire Queen check is out of fucking NO WHERE and is so extremely lucky), and thats the end.
I
officially vote Fire Queen
and encourage others to do the same. YES I am asking to (continue) a band wagon. You already know I'm a townie, but it's my opinion that this guarantees us an enemy one way or another.
(note at this juncture: if this happens, and FQ is the Fool, I will hand over my crown to her and she can become the new master of manipulation, because I've been fucking PLAYED. And if I start/continue a bandwagon for the Fool that loses us the game, well, I guess you guys can mock me for the next couple years.)
