Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Game 4 Night 1/Day 1

[shortkut]

I know he says between all his vote changes that he has voted for every wolf. He's definitely voted for at least 1 in there. But it could also be 2, 3 or 4

 

[Tubby23]

Even if they could, I think Cole respects the game to not even try

Oh fuck that's not what I'm implying he would do.
I'm just saying there is a way.

 

[Zell 17]

Maybe I should change my password to “p4ssword”. Make it harder.

 

[Zell 17]

Actually funnily enough my password for this site is the original randomly generated password that the original GW forums sent me way back in the day when I registered. I didn’t know you could change it.

 

[Local Hero]

Maybe I should change my password to “p4ssword”. Make it harder.

 

[Kat]

I can’t read then

Still, they aren't in this game because the solo killer is the alchemist.

I reread the whole thread but still didn't pick up much. Local is hinting at seer, which is kinda suspicious since that's an easy one to fake, and he's refused to actually share anything.

I feel like two people are hinting at priest, which is also suspicious since that'd be all the remaining random roles, which is also a good route to go when false claiming a role. Priest is pretty risky to pick as a fake role though.

I'm getting head hunter vibes from Cole. I'm obviously not a wolf, because the chances of me guessing the type of role the solo killer has is way too risky, I don't play like that. If the alchemist were shown to not exist then I'd be completely fucked. If I were the RK, I'd give someone else a potion and wait for them to say something before I went on about my own alleged potion. I guess the wolf seer could've happened to role check the solo killer, but it's still risky because they could've handed out two potions, and the real recipients could die quick and prove me a liar.

 

[Local Hero]

Local is hinting at seer, which is kinda suspicious since that's an easy one to fake, and he's refused to actually share anything.

False

 

[Kat]

Nevermind, I just noticed there's a priest on the guaranteed list, I missed that the first few read throughs somehow. And I'm not sure one of those people is actually hinting.

 

[Kat]

False

Hmm okay, fair enough, I'm bad at deducing hints. You did say you could prove non wolfiness, maybe I made a bad assumption.

 

[shortkut]

I'm obviously not a wolf, because the chances of me guessing the type of role the solo killer has is way too risky

I don’t see what has given us 100% am certainty that you are not a wolf other than your word

 

[Zell 17]

I reread the whole thread

Give this woman a badge. Maybe something like:

 

[Kat]

So here's Local Heros hints:

I did do something. It wasn't eating townies though, I like my steak medium-rare, not medium

I can prove not wolfiness. But you guys are jerks so I'm not going to right now

So he's suggesting he can prove someone is not a wolf, and can do it now, and is choosing not to only because we're jerks. He also claimed to have taken a night action.

Looking through the roles, I don't see anything besides seer which can fulfill all of those.

 

[Cole]

I'm listening, just always have to keep a 50% chance you are a lying liar

I never lie in this game! not ever.

I'm listening, I'm acknowledging he instigates every game but I'm asking him if this time it's real

it's always real.

I mean, there's no way he fully knows the status of 3 separate players.

isn't there though?

Maybe I missed where he was saying he knew a specific player to be a wolf.

I know he says between all his vote changes that he has voted for every wolf. He's definitely voted for at least 1 in there. But it could also be 2, 3 or 4.

Obviously the implication is that the two he didn't vote for (and himself) are not wolves. This is possible for him to know. I agree that as is he wouldn't be able to also know a wolf identity.

Or its all just smoke and mirrors

Well I think, if I were Cole, I might have left off the people I know we're wolves to suss out the remaining pack.

Well he has said that he thinks Kat is a wolf and is currently voting for her. That is what I am basing it on.

that's based on her responses.

Can site administrators hack into Zells DMs?

maybe, but why would I bother?

Even if they could, I think Cole respects the game to not even try

I just wouldn't see the point.

Still, they aren't in this game because the solo killer is the alchemist.

I reread the whole thread but still didn't pick up much. Local is hinting at seer, which is kinda suspicious since that's an easy one to fake, and he's refused to actually share anything.

I feel like two people are hinting at priest, which is also suspicious since that'd be all the remaining random roles, which is also a good route to go when false claiming a role. Priest is pretty risky to pick as a fake role though.

I'm getting head hunter vibes from Cole. I'm obviously not a wolf, because the chances of me guessing the type of role the solo killer has is way too risky, I don't play like that. If the alchemist were shown to not exist then I'd be completely fucked. If I were the RK, I'd give someone else a potion and wait for them to say something before I went on about my own alleged potion. I guess the wolf seer could've happened to role check the solo killer, but it's still risky because they could've handed out two potions, and the real recipients could die quick and prove me a liar.

I'm confused on why that last part is relevant? we won't know if the alchemist exists until we know that he exists. it's a safe bet to assume the RK has as much chance of surviving as you do, so it's a safe claim unless you can tell us who it is so they can be lynched, it's a bit of an irrelevant defense. we can't confirm any thing you've said

 

[Kat]

I don’t see what has given us 100% am certainty that you are not a wolf other than your word

Admittedly there's no proof now, but if I were a wolf, isn't claiming to be given a potion really risky? If I hadn't really been given one and was a wolf, it'd backfire pretty quick.

...I guess I could be telling the truth and also be a wolf, but if that's the case, you may as well let the solo killer finish me off rather than wasting a lynch.

 

[Local Hero]

Local...refused to actually share anything.

Sorry @Kat, I was being intentionally obtuse.

The part above is what's specifically false

 

[shortkut]

Admittedly there's no proof now, but if I were a wolf, isn't claiming to be given a potion really risky? If I hadn't really been given one and was a wolf, it'd backfire pretty quick.

...I guess I could be telling the truth and also be a wolf, but if that's the case, you may as well let the solo killer finish me off rather than wasting a lynch.

The only thing that needs to be true is you got a potion, unless you are the alchemist.

Being the alchemist and claiming you got a potion is a smart play so people think you are a victim of the SK. It the SK herself

 

[Kat]

I'm confused on why that last part is relevant? we won't know if the alchemist exists until we know that he exists.

If the solo killer isn't an alchemist and they kill, it'll become obvious I'm lying as soon as they do. If they get killed, it'll also be obvious. Whether they survive or not, it's bad for me if I'm lying.

 

[Tubby23]

Perhaps that's a risk you're willing to take? Let's assume you know them and are a wolf you can claim that role for a day or so while killing around them and not bandwagoning them.

 

[shortkut]

If the solo killer isn't an alchemist and they kill, it'll become obvious I'm lying as soon as they do. If they get killed, it'll also be obvious. Whether they survive or not, it's bad for me if I'm lying.

If you are the alchemist, you can control the narrative. You don’t have to die to prove it, because you could have the red potion instead of the black potion.

Changing vote to @Kat

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Alu - 2 (Raposa, Local Hero)
Local Hero - 2 (Alu, Fire Queen)
Kat - 2 (Cole, shortkut)
Smacktard - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tommy Boy - 1 (Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - 5 (Benzine, canadaguy, Kat, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 1 (Local Hero)

No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Raposa, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Kat]

If you are the alchemist, you can control the narrative. You don’t have to die to prove it, because you could have the red potion instead of the black potion.

Changing vote to @Kat

Yeah... I can't argue this except to say I hope I'd be less obvious if I were really the alchemist.

 

[Tubby23]

If you really are the alchemist I'd like to vote you out....

Vote Kat

 

[Tommy Boy]

Yeah... I can't argue this except to say I hope I'd be less obvious if I were really the alchemist.

What color potion did you get?

 

[Kat]

I'm a townie and have a useful role. Why don't you have a seer check me tonight instead?

 

[Kat]

What color potion did you get?

It doesn't say.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Jailer: I need protection tonight as my role has been revealed. Please lock me up.

Seer: Should check Kat, I don't feel like we have much reasonable information to frame someone yet.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Kat - 3 (Cole, shortkut, Tubby23)
Alu - 2 (Raposa, Local Hero)
Local Hero - 2 (Alu, Fire Queen)
Smacktard - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - 5 (Benzine, canadaguy, Kat, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 1 (Local Hero)

No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Raposa, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Kat]

Sorry @Kat, I was being intentionally obtuse.

The part above is what's specifically false

You didn't refuse to share anything?

 

[Cole]

Admittedly there's no proof now, but if I were a wolf, isn't claiming to be given a potion really risky? If I hadn't really been given one and was a wolf, it'd backfire pretty quick.

...I guess I could be telling the truth and also be a wolf, but if that's the case, you may as well let the solo killer finish me off rather than wasting a lynch.

risky. sure. but it would be an amazingly smart play and you're capable of it.

If the solo killer isn't an alchemist and they kill, it'll become obvious I'm lying as soon as they do. If they get killed, it'll also be obvious. Whether they survive or not, it's bad for me if I'm lying.

it's a risk I would take. I've taken bigger gambles in this game.

If you are the alchemist, you can control the narrative. You don’t have to die to prove it, because you could have the red potion instead of the black potion.

Changing vote to @Kat

Yeah... I can't argue this except to say I hope I'd be less obvious if I were really the alchemist.

all of that said.

i change to no vote

and I very much suggest we take some long hard look at shortkut and Tubby this evening, if you catch my drift.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Alu - 2 (Raposa, Local Hero)
Kat - 2 (shortkut, Tubby23)
Local Hero - 2 (Alu, Fire Queen)
Smacktard - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - 6 (Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Kat, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (13 required):

Skip - 1 (Local Hero)

No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Raposa, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[shortkut]

risky. sure. but it would be an amazingly smart play and you're capable of it.

it's a risk I would take. I've taken bigger gambles in this game.


all of that said.

i change to no vote

and I very much suggest we take some long hard look at shortkut and Tubby this evening, if you catch my drift.

Could just splash me now and save time lynching. I’ll get the badge ready

 

[Local Hero]

You didn't refuse to share anything?

Correct, I have shared. They were hints though

Probably bad ones too

 

[VashTheStampede]

Jailer: I need protection tonight as my role has been revealed. Please lock me up.

I'm sorry, you revealed your own role for no reason and are asking for protection?

Jailer, lock me up instead. For shits and giggles.

 

[Local Hero]

By the way @Zell 17 ,

I'm not good at this game and about 5 hours ago when I said I vote to skip, I meant I change to no vote. I haven't said anything because Alu has voted for me, but I can probably forgive him.

Fire Queen I'm not so sure about...

Anyways, I'll do that now. I vote no vote, abstain, no killin', love and peace.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I really don't understand the suspicion on Kat at all. Maybe I'm just getting played but it feels forced and manufactured.

 

[Fire Queen]

Fire Queen I'm not so sure about...

aw no hard feelings i change my vote to NO VOTE

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (7 required):

Kat - 2 (shortkut, Tubby23)
Alu - 1 (Raposa)
Local Hero - 1 (Alu)
Smacktard - 1 (Fool's Requiem)
Tubby23 - 1 (VashTheStampede)

No vote - 8 (Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Fire Queen, Kat, Local Hero, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (13 required):

No vote - 14 (Alu, Benzine, canadaguy, Cole, Fire Queen, Fool's Requiem, Kat, Local Hero, Raposa, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[A Punched Face]

By the way @Zell 17 ,

I'm not good at this game and about 5 hours ago when I said I vote to skip, I meant I change to no vote. I haven't said anything because Alu has voted for me, but I can probably forgive him.

Fire Queen I'm not so sure about...

Anyways, I'll do that now. I vote no vote, abstain, no killin', love and peace.

I'm trying to save Zell the effort of changing my vote on his list. You're at no risk of being lynched (unless something crazy as hell happens after I go to bed).

 

[VashTheStampede]

Think the wolves are content to sit on their solid start and let the game proceed slowly. Lotta timidity out in the streets.

Voting  Alu for seeming real passive.

 

[shortkut]

I really don't understand the suspicion on Kat at all. Maybe I'm just getting played but it feels forced and manufactured.

Neither did I until she started trying to explain why she wasn’t a wolf. None of her explanations made sense, but if she was the alchemist, she can claim she was given a potion and no one could refute it. If someone else gets a potion it seemingly confirms Kat was a victim of the alchemist

 

[A Punched Face]

Think the wolves are content to sit on their solid start and let the game proceed slowly. Lotta timidity out in the streets.

Voting  Alu for seeming real passive.

 

[Tubby23]

Neither did I until she started trying to explain why she wasn’t a wolf. None of her explanations made sense, but if she was the alchemist, she can claim she was given a potion and no one could refute it. If someone else gets a potion it seemingly confirms Kat was a victim of the alchemist

On top of this if we assume Kat got the red potion and someone else had received a black potion I think Zell would have killed them by now.

 

[Benzine]

Think the wolves are content to sit on their solid start and let the game proceed slowly. Lotta timidity out in the streets.

Voting  Alu for seeming real passive.

Problem is no one is coming forward with info - or at least if Cole's message is that he's the spirit seer, no one that is someone we can vote for. Some people need to protect themselves in some fashion, I guess, which is fine. But with a good start of the wolves, we can hardly afford to make a mistake in this lynch.

I've only really been "convinced" by Kat that she's not a wolf. But with too many people to vote for, I don't know what to do.

 

[A Punched Face]

It would be really funny if Kat got the black potion and was killed like 10 minutes before the end of the day after everyone started voting for her.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Benzine]

It would be really funny if Kat got the black potion and was killed like 10 minutes before the end of the day after everyone started voting for her.

Better than killing a townie who isn't already dying

 

[shortkut]

 

[shortkut]

Better than killing a townie who isn't already dying

Actually, a townie that is already dying is probably the safest move outside of abstaining

 

[Benzine]

Actually, a townie that is already dying is probably the safest move outside of abstaining

Actually, why are you saying what I'm saying

 

[shortkut]

Actually, why are you saying what I'm saying

Because I’m you from the future?