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Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 4 / Day 4

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Surely he wouldn't just pretend to help a team and then turn on them at the last second to try and win?

What kind of a MONSTER...
That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.
 

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The only time I ever outplayed anyone was when I stopped @VashTheStampede and @Christina from winning as a Cupid couple… but that was after they outplayed me first and prevented a wolf victory… so I guess it was a wash
You outplayed someone there?

I got points on the scoreboard there, buddy.

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This is unnecessarily cryptic
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That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.

1. The Illusionist kills during the day phase, not the night phase.
2. There are either two wolves or just one.
3. You're full of shit and are the Alpha Wolf.
 

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That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.
You keep conveniently leaving out how the illusionist have 0 chance when competing against wolves when the alpha has not been harmed once. You’re trying to convince TD to play with the wolves. If he were to help kill wolves and Raine dies, he can pick off a townie next time and eventually be at a point where he can win when there are no voting blocks with known members left. His best play now is to lynch a wolf and try to kill/injure a wolf tomorrow morning
You outplayed someone there?

I got points on the scoreboard there, buddy.

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Yes, but you got less points. If this were a basketball game, I’d be considered a defensive specialist. I held you to a lot less points than expected
 

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IF there are two wolves and the Illusionist, the game can actually be over for the town right now if the illusionist lives.

He can mask, but not kill. If the wolves take out one townie tonight it would be 3-3 town to evil. No lynch during the day, illusionist can just go about masking everyone and then kill everyone at once.
 
I still stand by Alu being Alpha Wolf and Benzine being Shaman Wolf. It makes sense. It may also explain why Vash showed as the opposite team of Ants!

@Zell 17 if the Shaman Wolf used their power on the Loudmouth and the Loudmouth was then investigated by the Detective along with a townie role, would the Detective see the Loudmouth and other townie as being on opposite teams?
 

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IF there are two wolves and the Illusionist, the game can actually be over for the town right now if the illusionist lives.

He can mask, but not kill. If the wolves take out one townie tonight it would be 3-3 town to evil. No lynch during the day, illusionist can just go about masking everyone and then kill everyone at once.
The alpha would need to lose one life first
 
I still stand by Alu being Alpha Wolf and Benzine being Shaman Wolf. It makes sense. It may also explain why Vash showed as the opposite team of Ants!

@Zell 17 if the Shaman Wolf used their power on the Loudmouth and the Loudmouth was then investigated by the Detective along with a townie role, would the Detective see the Loudmouth and other townie as being on opposite teams?
Yeah
 

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This is unnecessarily cryptic
I am potentially making a moral judgment against someone.

The entirety of my perspective is this.

If this game were fresh, an Alpha Wolf with an Unknown aura would very likely select a pro-town RRV with an Unknown aura. Marksman and Beast Hunter both apply.

Both Tommy and Smacktard have gone in against Dean with their false claims. I retain that my Day 2 reveal was on point, because two people were lying about me. I was shaken Day 3 when I thought I was wrong. I am now restored having learned that, yes, two people were lying about me - one just happened to be pro-town.

Tommy is calling both Dean and Vash wolves in dead chat. This is, minimally, a bold lie about one of them. I am, as above, struggling to reconcile whether someone as empathetic as Tommy would genuinely cast such a moral judgment against Dean unless he knew something.

canadaguy flagged Vash as anti-town of unknown origin. I do not for a second believe that Vash is the Loudmouth. I do believe Benzine is the Bell Ringer, as fucking hysterical as that sounds.

I honestly kind of believe that you, shortkut, are the Illusionist. Avenger is the perfect ad-hoc defense for that role. The Illusionist can't be killed at night, and the wolves wouldn't dare try to get you lynched during the day. So, here you are, alive on Day 4. Very, very unlike you, typically. :chuckle

...I need more time.
 
@Raine you are reading way too much into Tommy Boy fucking with you. He's a dead wolf trying to help his wolf buddies out by casting doubt on me. I don't know about Vash. He could be a wolf or the real Illusionist for all I know. But I did post a plausible reason why canadaguy saw him as on a different team than the Priest, and Zell just confirmed it.
 

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That means the alpha needs to be lynched at least once prior to that and the RK has to hope that he doesn’t get lynched first
Why? If it's 1-1 wolf vs. RK the RK wins. RK can kill a wolf but a wolf can't kill an RK.

Today would be the ONLY chance to lynch the RK if there are 2 wolves and they decide to just go with an evil win.
 

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Do I need to play Suikoden before Suikoden 2???
Honestly yes 100%

Suikoden 2 is a semi-direct sequel set in a neighboring country with a lot of returning characters.

It's TECHNICALLY stand-alone but hits a lot harder having played the 1st.

There's HD remakes of 1 and 2 coming next year.
 

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@Raine who do you have the best read on being an evil? I feel strongly about Alu. I don't agree with you about Benzine. I don't think he provided any valuable information until after it was known, and he was subtly defending Kelly.
It's honestly still on Alu as being the Alpha. I just... I have doubts, and I don't wanna fuck up after all this. 😂

I should maybe amend the Benzine thing to: I genuinely believe that he saw TD as the Illusionist. Whether that was a function of Bell Ringer or using information from Blind Wolf (Smacktard), however... 🤔


I'm not really particularly fond of allowing the Illusionist to stack kills. If they didn't land on a wolf today, they kind of messed up a little.

Were you I don't know - shocked?

And if not...

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It was the number 3. :tease

There's a lot going on, I understand lol

Are we killing Alu? You, me and @shortkut meet the minimum requirement. You said you did a check on Dean and he came up clean, right?
 
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It's honestly still on Alu as being the Alpha. I just... I have doubts, and I don't wanna fuck up after all this. 😂

I should maybe amend the Benzine thing to: I genuinely believe that he saw TD as the Illusionist. Whether that was a function of Bell Ringer or using information from Blind Wolf (Smacktard), however... 🤔


I'm not really particularly fond of allowing the Illusionist to stack kills. If they didn't land on a wolf today, they kind of messed up a little.


It was the number 3. :tease

There's a lot going on, I understand lol

Are we killing Alu? You, me and @shortkut meet the minimum requirement. You said you did a check on Dean and he came up clean, right?
I don’t know if Alu is the alpha but he is a wolf
 

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It would have been super if you followed through with that wink-wink nudge-nudge and put the trap at my house.

I guess we'll find out.

@TD let's do it.

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On a scale of 1-10, how sure are you on this?

Remember my last remarks about Alu in the dead thread?
 
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