Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 4 / Day 4

[Dean]

I'll remove my skip for now since it is freaking people out and they want more time to think

I also want to check the math/odds

 

[A Punched Face]

Surely he wouldn't just pretend to help a team and then turn on them at the last second to try and win?

What kind of a MONSTER...

That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The only time I ever outplayed anyone was when I stopped @VashTheStampede and @Christina from winning as a Cupid couple… but that was after they outplayed me first and prevented a wolf victory… so I guess it was a wash

You outplayed someone there?

I got points on the scoreboard there, buddy.

 

[TD]

This is unnecessarily cryptic

We have a love language for the ages.

 

[Dean]

That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.

1. The Illusionist kills during the day phase, not the night phase.
2. There are either two wolves or just one.
3. You're full of shit and are the Alpha Wolf.

 

[A Punched Face]

1. The Illusionist kills during the day phase, not the night phase.
2. There are either two wolves or just one.
3. You're full of shit and are the Alpha Wolf.

Killing during the day phase still removes a vote

 

[shortkut]

That's the point I'm making here. He came in saying he'd help the town here, but there are 7 people left right now. If both he and the wolf kill a townie tonight then there will be 4 people left if you all lynch me today. 2-2 evil to town, with one evil having two lives but unable to lynch the illusionist in the day or kill him at night.

If there somehow ARE 3 wolves, we're in the same boat except it's possible to be completely outnumbered tomorrow with no possibility of arrow to face to take one out.

You keep conveniently leaving out how the illusionist have 0 chance when competing against wolves when the alpha has not been harmed once. You’re trying to convince TD to play with the wolves. If he were to help kill wolves and Raine dies, he can pick off a townie next time and eventually be at a point where he can win when there are no voting blocks with known members left. His best play now is to lynch a wolf and try to kill/injure a wolf tomorrow morning

You outplayed someone there?

I got points on the scoreboard there, buddy.

Yes, but you got less points. If this were a basketball game, I’d be considered a defensive specialist. I held you to a lot less points than expected

 

[A Punched Face]

IF there are two wolves and the Illusionist, the game can actually be over for the town right now if the illusionist lives.

He can mask, but not kill. If the wolves take out one townie tonight it would be 3-3 town to evil. No lynch during the day, illusionist can just go about masking everyone and then kill everyone at once.

 

[Dean]

I still stand by Alu being Alpha Wolf and Benzine being Shaman Wolf. It makes sense. It may also explain why Vash showed as the opposite team of Ants!

@Zell 17 if the Shaman Wolf used their power on the Loudmouth and the Loudmouth was then investigated by the Detective along with a townie role, would the Detective see the Loudmouth and other townie as being on opposite teams?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yes, but you got less points. If this were a basketball game, I’d be considered a defensive specialist. I held you to a lot less points than expected

 

[shortkut]

IF there are two wolves and the Illusionist, the game can actually be over for the town right now if the illusionist lives.

He can mask, but not kill. If the wolves take out one townie tonight it would be 3-3 town to evil. No lynch during the day, illusionist can just go about masking everyone and then kill everyone at once.

The alpha would need to lose one life first

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (3 required):

Alu - 2 (shortkut, Dean)
TD - 1 (Alu)

No Vote - 4 (Benzine, Raine, TD, VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (6 required):

Skip - 1 (shortkut)

No Vote - 6 (Alu, Benzine, Dean, Raine, TD, VashTheStampede)

 

[shortkut]

 

[Zell 17]

I still stand by Alu being Alpha Wolf and Benzine being Shaman Wolf. It makes sense. It may also explain why Vash showed as the opposite team of Ants!

@Zell 17 if the Shaman Wolf used their power on the Loudmouth and the Loudmouth was then investigated by the Detective along with a townie role, would the Detective see the Loudmouth and other townie as being on opposite teams?

Yeah

 

[Raine]

This is unnecessarily cryptic

I am potentially making a moral judgment against someone.

The entirety of my perspective is this.

If this game were fresh, an Alpha Wolf with an Unknown aura would very likely select a pro-town RRV with an Unknown aura. Marksman and Beast Hunter both apply.

Both Tommy and Smacktard have gone in against Dean with their false claims. I retain that my Day 2 reveal was on point, because two people were lying about me. I was shaken Day 3 when I thought I was wrong. I am now restored having learned that, yes, two people were lying about me - one just happened to be pro-town.

Tommy is calling both Dean and Vash wolves in dead chat. This is, minimally, a bold lie about one of them. I am, as above, struggling to reconcile whether someone as empathetic as Tommy would genuinely cast such a moral judgment against Dean unless he knew something.

canadaguy flagged Vash as anti-town of unknown origin. I do not for a second believe that Vash is the Loudmouth. I do believe Benzine is the Bell Ringer, as fucking hysterical as that sounds.

I honestly kind of believe that you, shortkut, are the Illusionist. Avenger is the perfect ad-hoc defense for that role. The Illusionist can't be killed at night, and the wolves wouldn't dare try to get you lynched during the day. So, here you are, alive on Day 4. Very, very unlike you, typically.

...I need more time.

 

[A Punched Face]

The alpha would need to lose one life first

Wolf win needs the RK dead. Wolves can't kill the RK at night, it would end up as 1-1 wolf vs. RK. RK masks and kills illusionist again.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Zell 17 if the Shaman Wolf used their power on the Loudmouth and the Loudmouth was then investigated by the Detective along with a townie role, would the Detective see the Loudmouth and other townie as being on opposite teams?

I can answer that

 

[shortkut]

Wolf win needs the RK dead. Wolves can't kill the RK at night, it would end up as 1-1 wolf vs. RK. RK masks and kills illusionist again.

Yes but alpha with one life and one other wolf can outvote the RK during the day phase

 

[Dean]

@Raine you are reading way too much into Tommy Boy fucking with you. He's a dead wolf trying to help his wolf buddies out by casting doubt on me. I don't know about Vash. He could be a wolf or the real Illusionist for all I know. But I did post a plausible reason why canadaguy saw him as on a different team than the Priest, and Zell just confirmed it.

 

[A Punched Face]

Yes but alpha with one life and one other wolf can outvote the RK during the day phase

The illusionist can just mask everyone before killing anyone and make it 1-1 before there's voting power.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I do not for a second believe that Vash is the Loudmouth.

I swore on a video game and everything.

Is nothing sacrosanct?!

 

[shortkut]

Alu
Vash
Dean
Benzine
Raine

Order of suspicion for wolves and ant kill against me leads to a death… the only question is, will it be murder/suicide?

 

[Dean]

@Raine who do you have the best read on being an evil? I feel strongly about Alu. I don't agree with you about Benzine. I don't think he provided any valuable information until after it was known, and he was subtly defending Kelly.

 

[Raine]

I swore on a video game and everything.

Is nothing sacrosanct?!

Sure, sure. But did you say you were a Loudmouth, or the Loudmouth?

 

[Zell 17]

I swore on a video game and everything.

Is nothing sacrosanct?!

Do I need to play Suikoden before Suikoden 2???

 

[shortkut]

The illusionist can just mask everyone before killing anyone and make it 1-1 before there's voting power.

That means the alpha needs to be lynched at least once prior to that and the RK has to hope that he doesn’t get lynched first

 

[shortkut]

But I did post a plausible reason why canadaguy saw him as on a different team than the Priest, and Zell just confirmed it

Repost or link plz

 

[Dean]

Alu
Vash
Dean
Benzine
Raine

Order of suspicion for wolves and ant kill against me leads to a death… the only question is, will it be murder/suicide?

I am surprised you put me above Benzine. He stuck up for Kelly and has not provided any useful info, theories, nothing. Benzine has not helped the town AT ALL.

 

[shortkut]

I am surprised you put me above Benzine. He stuck up for Kelly and has not provided any useful info, theories, nothing. Benzine has not helped the town AT ALL.

There isn’t an even difference between each level. A couple might be a coin flip apart

 

[Dean]

Repost or link plz

 

[A Punched Face]

That means the alpha needs to be lynched at least once prior to that and the RK has to hope that he doesn’t get lynched first

Why? If it's 1-1 wolf vs. RK the RK wins. RK can kill a wolf but a wolf can't kill an RK.

Today would be the ONLY chance to lynch the RK if there are 2 wolves and they decide to just go with an evil win.

 

[shortkut]

Anyway, we all agree that regardless of whether TD is going to help the town, the wolves, or try to win solo, we need to kill Alu at least once. Everyone vote Alu and skip

 

[VashTheStampede]

Do I need to play Suikoden before Suikoden 2???

Honestly yes 100%

Suikoden 2 is a semi-direct sequel set in a neighboring country with a lot of returning characters.

It's TECHNICALLY stand-alone but hits a lot harder having played the 1st.

There's HD remakes of 1 and 2 coming next year.

 

[Dean]

Anyway, we all agree that regardless of whether TD is going to help the town, the wolves, or try to win solo, we need to kill Alu at least once. Everyone vote Alu and skip

Once again, I agree with you. I would like to see what hesitation exists for voting for Alu.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Benzine, as I stated earlier. I went into today thinking the plan was to lynch you and you'd point at him to out him and I could end it that night.

Post in thread 'GWF Wolf Version VII Night 3 / Day 3' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-wolf-version-vii-night-3-day-3.775/post-44498

This doesn't add up to me.

 

[shortkut]

Why? If it's 1-1 wolf vs. RK the RK wins. RK can kill a wolf but a wolf can't kill an RK.

Today would be the ONLY chance to lynch the RK if there are 2 wolves and they decide to just go with an evil win.

I disagree. You need to die

 

[TD]

REMEMBER THAT TIME WITH ZELL AND VASH?

Were you I don't know - shocked?

And if not...

 

[Raine]

@Raine who do you have the best read on being an evil? I feel strongly about Alu. I don't agree with you about Benzine. I don't think he provided any valuable information until after it was known, and he was subtly defending Kelly.

It's honestly still on Alu as being the Alpha. I just... I have doubts, and I don't wanna fuck up after all this.

I should maybe amend the Benzine thing to: I genuinely believe that he saw TD as the Illusionist. Whether that was a function of Bell Ringer or using information from Blind Wolf (Smacktard), however...


I'm not really particularly fond of allowing the Illusionist to stack kills. If they didn't land on a wolf today, they kind of messed up a little.

Were you I don't know - shocked?

And if not...

It was the number 3.

There's a lot going on, I understand lol

Are we killing Alu? You, me and @shortkut meet the minimum requirement. You said you did a check on Dean and he came up clean, right?

 

[TD]

Are we killing Alu? You, me and @shortkut meet the minimum requirement. You said you did a check on Dean and he came up clean, right?

Well uh. Define clean...

 

[shortkut]

It's honestly still on Alu as being the Alpha. I just... I have doubts, and I don't wanna fuck up after all this.

I should maybe amend the Benzine thing to: I genuinely believe that he saw TD as the Illusionist. Whether that was a function of Bell Ringer or using information from Blind Wolf (Smacktard), however...


I'm not really particularly fond of allowing the Illusionist to stack kills. If they didn't land on a wolf today, they kind of messed up a little.


It was the number 3.

There's a lot going on, I understand lol

Are we killing Alu? You, me and @shortkut meet the minimum requirement. You said you did a check on Dean and he came up clean, right?

I don’t know if Alu is the alpha but he is a wolf

 

[TD]

Dean is Unknown.

It matches up with his claim.

...but also with Alpha Wolf.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Dean]

I don't know how I can prove I'm the Beast Hunter. Want me to swear on something else?

 

[Raine]

TO SUFFER

TO WITNESS

 

[VashTheStampede]

I don't know how I can prove I'm the Beast Hunter. Want me to swear on something else?

Maybe you could have tried doing something with your role at some point

 

[shortkut]

 

[Raine]

I don't know how I can prove I'm the Beast Hunter. Want me to swear on something else?

It would have been super if you followed through with that wink-wink nudge-nudge and put the trap at my house.

I guess we'll find out.

@TD let's do it.

Vote Alu and Skip

 

[TD]

I'm going to be honest.

I have not voted because I can't make sense of what.

 

[VashTheStampede]

skip

 

[TD]

It would have been super if you followed through with that wink-wink nudge-nudge and put the trap at my house.

I guess we'll find out.

@TD let's do it.

Vote Alu and Skip

On a scale of 1-10, how sure are you on this?

Remember my last remarks about Alu in the dead thread?