Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 3 / Day 3

[Raine]

And yeah you could throw Fool onto LH, I sort of forgot that in the shuffle. Lemme do that.

 

[Raine]

I edited the post. Sue me.

 

[Benzine]

I edited the post. Sue me.

Editing is allowed now, just not actions you commit I think.

 

[Raine]

True story: The dead thread is going to be a riot when I get back. ...And when you all get there.

 

[Dean]

@Raine by your color scheme with Jawneh being green, are you saying you are 100% sure? If so, why?

 

[A Punched Face]

@Raine by your color scheme with Jawneh being green, are you saying you are 100% sure? If so, why?

Marksman did the deed and I was not the one to do it. Unless kut wants to claim it was him, it's Jawneh.

 

[Raine]

@Raine by your color scheme with Jawneh being green, are you saying you are 100% sure? If so, why?

I mean technically I'm also green, so...

Alu hasn't fired any shots yet. Jawneh immediately took credit. No one else has remotely floated the idea of being a Marksman until now.

 

[Dean]

The actual Marksman could be laying low, but oh well. I get that you're convinced and understand, but I feel like there is still the possibility, but it's your list lol so I feel like a jerk for trying to question it

 

[Raine]

@Tubby23 I'M SORRY. MAKE FUN OF ME LATER, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO KILL YOU YOU'RE DEAD.

 

[TD]

OOC: Sorry I'm slow, I'm supposed to be watching Wheel of Time with the wife and I've been getting sass. Be here soon.

 

[Dean]

So many random villager roles being claimed.... seven, I believe.

We are guaranteed one Marksman, which is either Jawneh or Alu. Assuming Jawneh is guaranteed the Marksman, that means we have:

Vash - Loudmouth
Smacktard - Sheriff
Dean - Beast Hunter (I know I am, but I have to be fair and include myself)
TD - Tough Guy
Benzine - Bell Ringer
shortkut - Avenger
Alu - Marksman

Obviously, we have only four.

Benzine is a great player, and I could see him lying and being able to connive and convince.

shortkut has been so quiet... like unusually quiet. But I don't know if I can say he's more suspicious than Alu.

Smacktard has been suspicious to me and keeps going after TD for no apparent reason other than being defensive.

I think Benzine may be a wolf and Smacktard could be wolf or fool, but who knows. The whole Illusionist thing has me completely confused and unsure what to believe.

 

[A Punched Face]

So many random villager roles being claimed.... seven, I believe.

We are guaranteed one Marksman, which is either Jawneh or Alu. Assuming Jawneh is guaranteed the Marksman, that means we have:

Vash - Loudmouth
Smacktard - Sheriff
Dean - Beast Hunter (I know I am, but I have to be fair and include myself)
TD - Tough Guy
Benzine - Bell Ringer
shortkut - Avenger
Alu - Marksman

Obviously, we have only four.

Benzine is a great player, and I could see him lying and being able to connive and convince.

shortkut has been so quiet... like unusually quiet. But I don't know if I can say he's more suspicious than Alu.

Smacktard has been suspicious to me and keeps going after TD for no apparent reason other than being defensive.

I think Benzine may be a wolf and Smacktard could be wolf or fool, but who knows. The whole Illusionist thing has me completely confused and unsure what to believe.

As of right now I feel good about where my mark is...

But could be convinced otherwise.

I'm still questioning vash showing up as on a different team from ants based on cg's check as well.

 

[Dean]

As of right now I feel good about where my mark is...

But could be convinced otherwise.

I'm still questioning vash showing up as on a different team from ants based on cg's check as well.

You really don't want to shoot me, dude. I am a townie, so you would die. And if my trap activates too, it would leave me defenseless for no reason and probably lead to my death.

 

[A Punched Face]

I don't think I'd set off the trap? @Zell 17 would a marksman set off a BH trap?

 

[Zell 17]

A BH trap can only be triggered by a wolf/solo killer

 

[A Punched Face]

Also, fuck it. I was sus on TD yesterday after his jail comment and I'm really hoping Benzine just isn't trying the Bell Ringer shit again.

Vote TD

I think we're down 2 wolves and need to get rid of the RK.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (4 required):

TD - 2 (Benzine, Alu)
No vote - 7 (Dean, Jawneh, Raine, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (8 required):

No vote - 9 (Alu, Benzine, Dean, Jawneh, Raine, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, VashTheStampede)

 

[TD]

Okay so here are the things to consider:

- Whether or not Local is the Illusionist, there's one person tagged with illusionist guaranteed. If it was someone else, that means there are two people tagged as Illusionist. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IF YOU DO KILL ME AND SEE MY ROLE, because you'll be looking for up to 3 tagged as Illusionist tomorrow.
- We have 9 people remaining. If the real Illusionist is alive, account for the 3-4 wolf hits, one wrong move and the town is dead. Hell, this game could end with this night phase.
- Benzine has been quiet all game and now he's magically here with his Bell Ringer shit again?
- They killed Tubby because they knew he wouldn't be a protection target, he was not an obvious choice, Raine would've been and that's why I was protecting her. That's what all the Day 3 Date stuff was and that it might be the last day.
- The Tough Guy is a big threat in a game with limited seering options, target him? You're caught. Target who he protects? You're caught.

 

[TD]

Oh and if Alu takes his shot at Dean and is wrong, you also basically secure the win for the wolves if LH was the Illusionist.

Vash was right yesterday when he said this town is getting so played.

 

[Dean]

I think Alu and Benzine are possibly wolves together and trying to lynch TD so they don't have to worry about the Tough Guy.

 

[A Punched Face]

Whether or not Local is the Illusionist, there's one person tagged with illusionist guaranteed. If it was someone else, that means there are two people tagged as Illusionist. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IF YOU DO KILL ME AND SEE MY ROLE, because you'll be looking for up to 3 tagged as Illusionist tomorrow.

If the illusionist is killed the disguises are all dropped?

 

[A Punched Face]

Me thinks TD is trying to set us up for not being surprised when it comes back illusionist later.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Dean , take me through your trap movements, if there has been any.

I'm really good at this part. I've had practice.

 

[TD]

If the illusionist is killed the disguises are all dropped?

How would I know?

 

[TD]

Me thinks TD is trying to set us up for not being surprised when it comes back illusionist later.

I would've caught the Illusionist. I confirmed this with Zell.

 

[Raine]

Okay, but anyway. The facts.

Tubby23 was The Sheriff. He saw Ben die, and was given two suspects: Tommy Boy and Raine.

Tommy Boy died, and was revealed to be #4 - The Berserk Werewolf.

By virtue of the Berserk Werewolf being a higher rank than Shaman Wolf, something has happened to the Shaman Wolf prior to the murder of Ben. Whether they were locked up or killed is irrelevant for practical reasons, but necessary for narrowing suspects.


Speculation...

Fool's Requiem claims, repeatedly, that he was a Random Role Villager - Priest.

If true, Local would by necessity have to be the Shaman Wolf pretending to be The Fool. Ergo, in this scenario, both the Illusionist and the Fool are still in play - and there are 3 RRVs in the wild. This would be 5-2-2 Town-Wolf-Solo.

If false, either Local or Fool's was the Shaman and the other was either 1) a third, forever unknown wolf or 2) the Fool. It does not matter which was which, in this scenario all 4 RRVs remain in contention. This would be 6-1/2-1/2 Town-Wolf-Solo.


Returning to facts...

The Detective, canadaguy, has no reason to lie to me. He said Ants! (Priest) and Vash (Loudmouth*) appeared on different teams. Zell has confirmed in dead chat that the use of Shaman would skew these results. We know neither Ants or Vash were targets for the Illusionist.

The Jailer, Ben, has no reason to lie to me. He said he imprisoned Local on Night 2, but declined to kill him because he didn't want to potentially kill a townie. There was no outside interference, just using the role in its capacity as a blocker.

The Marksman, Jawneh, has now appeared. There is no one available to contest this.

shortkut was doused with water and is confirmed to not be a wolf. He claims to be the Avenger, but there is the possibility that he's either Solo role. He has made zero effort to actively get himself lynched, at minimum.

Your Ritualist is really, really dumb and you shouldn't take advice from her after making attempts to kill your Marksman and your Sheriff. Oh also she's been waiting to get got by your suspected Illusionist for a while now and thought she came prepared... have I mentioned she's really dumb?


...I think that's about it? It's somehow bed time already. Oof.

 

[TD]

If Local Hero was not the real Illusionist, you kill me and you see Tough Guy? Couple this with you have no clue who the two remaining wolves are and the illusionist?

Good luck.

 

[Raine]

- They killed Tubby because they knew he wouldn't be a protection target, he was not an obvious choice, Raine would've been and that's why I was protecting her. That's what all the Day 3 Date stuff was and that it might be the last day.

Also... if he wasn't a wolf, Alu should've been the other target. You always kill the town's killing capacity ASAP.

That's why I had the Spell on Alu last night. Why I was going to shift it to you during the day if you told me we succeeded, to prevent you from staying dead when you keeled over.

- The Tough Guy is a big threat in a game with limited seering options, target him? You're caught. Target who he protects? You're caught.

Correct. I kept listing him as the Doctor specifically because of this factor.

 

[A Punched Face]

I would've caught the Illusionist. I confirmed this with Zell.

What does this mean?

Also like I said, I was sus on you yesterday, and even called it out yesterday, when you pointed out that if there was no Illusionist kill it would mean Local could be it based on being jailed. I'm now thinking you tried it and came up with the excuse as to why there wasn't one, and then did it again last night.

 

[A Punched Face]

What does this mean?

Also like I said, I was sus on you yesterday, and even called it out yesterday, when you pointed out that if there was no Illusionist kill it would mean Local could be it based on being jailed. I'm now thinking you tried it and came up with the excuse as to why there wasn't one, and then did it again last night.

Oh tough guy would have. Got it

 

[TD]

Also... if he wasn't a wolf, Alu should've been the other target. You always kill the town's killing capacity ASAP.

I was torn between targeting you or Alu.
The fact that Alu wasn't targeted and is still here while we have a confirmed Marksman too?

Convenient.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Zell 17 if there was a Loudmouth but they were targeted by the Illusionist, would their power still activate upon death or is it cancelled out by the Illusionist?

Asking for a friend

 

[Dean]

@Dean , take me through your trap movements, if there has been any.

I'm really good at this part. I've had practice.

I realized that it takes one night to place the trap and another night to set it. I had no idea who was truly good, so I have selfishly kept it on myself the entire time. I don't want to expose myself and risk everything by moving it.

 

[A Punched Face]

I was torn between targeting you or Alu.
The fact that Alu wasn't targeted and is still here while we have a confirmed Marksman too?

Convenient.

I mean I was also public about targeting Dean? Maybe they're hoping I priest myself with a boomerang arrow to the face?

... maybe I shouldn't shoot him.

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 if there was a Loudmouth but they were targeted by the Illusionist, would their power still activate upon death or is it cancelled out by the Illusionist?

Asking for a friend

Any role disguised by the illusionist still keeps all of their normal abilities. They are just disguised.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I realized that it takes one night to place the trap and another night to set it. I had no idea who was truly good, so I have selfishly kept it on myself the entire time. I don't want to expose myself and risk everything by moving it.

Ah, the hallmark of the false beast hunter claim

 

[A Punched Face]

Any role disguised by the illusionist still keeps all of their normal abilities. They are just disguised.

The illusionist shouts "ta da mother fuckers. For my next trick, this reveal!"

 

[TD]

I mean I was also public about targeting Dean? Maybe they're hoping I priest myself with a boomerang arrow to the face?

... maybe I shouldn't shoot him.

See now we have a problem.

The only way to prove you are who you are is to do it. But, if Dean is not a wolf you might as well call the game right now.

 

[Dean]

Ah, the hallmark of the false beast hunter claim

FAFO then, I guess

 

[Dean]

I literally swore on my daughter's life that I'm the Beast Hunter, so if you don't believe me after that, nothing else I say is going to matter.

 

[A Punched Face]

See now we have a problem.

The only way to prove you are who you are is to do it. But, if Dean is not a wolf you might as well call the game right now.

Well, that's some shit.

Hope you like one of us being dead, Dean.

 

[Dean]

And for the record, we've only had three nights so far. It takes one night to move the trap and a second to set it. I wouldn't have had any time to move and set it on someone else yet.

 

[TD]

I'll be honest, the people I trust right now?

It's a short list, comprising entirely of Raine, Jawneh, and Dean.

 

[Dean]

Well, that's some shit.

Hope you like one of us being dead, Dean.

 

[A Punched Face]

 

[Dean]

I'm trying to think of some test that wouldn't result in you dying and wouldn't be a complete waste of your supposed ability.

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm trying to think of some test that wouldn't result in you dying and wouldn't be a complete waste of your supposed ability.

Unfortunately, like your ability, it takes 2 days to set and shoot.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I literally swore on my daughter's life that I'm the Beast Hunter, so if you don't believe me after that, nothing else I say is going to matter.

You know the problem with that move is that the smart play in every game from now on is to ask you to swear on her again.

I mean, I would never do it. Cause I don't do smart plays

 

[TD]

It's also important to remember that if Local was the Fool, the Illusionist is going to drop us to 8 today. Lynch Illusionist? 7. Wolf kill? 6. If Alu pulls the trigger on Dean and is wrong? 4.

Wolves win.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I swear on my belief that Suikoden II is the greatest RPG of all time that I am the Loudmouth