FQ Wolf FQ Wolf Vol. 2 - Night 3 & Day 4

[canadaguy]

I also want to make something crystal clear in case I end up dead tonight. I don't think I will because the only logical reason I'm still alive is if I've been scried.

If somehow they misplayed it that bad and have kept me alive unscried, and I die...

My FR accusation is just that. An accusation to see how he would react. His reaction went off the rails in a way I would not have expected and he has not done himself any favours. He's either the Alpha or has misplayed his hand incredibly poorly. He's suspect #1.

My other suspect is canadaguy.

In case FQ ends this early - see you Day 5.

What innocent old me?

 

[Ants!]

The seer can't know if Vash is the halfling. It was just a random fucking guess. If Vash doesn't turn into a wolf at the end of this day phase and Benzine turns out to be something like the Alchemist, the wolves win.

Trying really hard not to jump on the “be mean to FR” train.

1. No one said anything about the seer knowing if he was the halfling, only that he knew Vash was a random werewolf.

2. I don’t see the relevance of Benzine being an alchemist.

3. Even if you’re right about everything, they don’t have the numbers to win tonight and TD will hang tomorrow.

Quit making such a huge deal out of this game because it is just that: a GAME.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

No one said anything about the seer knowing if he was the halfling, only that he knew Vash was a random werewolf.

And since Vash came up as a regular townie after lynching, the claim is automatically disproven. He can't know Vash is a wolf. So if Vash comes up as a halfing at the end of this, it was pure luck, and yet everyone is acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Vash is the halfling.

I don’t see the relevance of Benzine being an alchemist.

I was just using it as a consideration. If we lynch Benzine and he turns out to be a Alchemist instead of a wolf, we lose the last person that can kill a wolf at night, leaving the Sleepwalker the only one who can't be murdered by the wolves.

Even if you’re right about everything, they don’t have the numbers to win tonight and TD will hang tomorrow.

I thought that the last two rounds, too and yet everyone keeps going with the "TD is 100% good" train despite absolutely all evidence being proven to the contrary.

Quit making such a huge deal out of this game because it is just that: a GAME.

I'm just frustrated and befuddled.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So your answer re Benzine?

Oh, sorry. Benzine's game is to keep silent and avoid suspicion. He's done it for every game he's heen in (and he was Medium twice) so him being silient is not enough reason to be sus of him. Holly has been silent in most games as well, but her sole recent posts in this game have been bandwagon following votes.

 

[Tubby23]

Oh, sorry. Benzine's game is to keep silent and avoid suspicion. He's done it for every game he's heen in (and he was Medium twice) so him being silient is not enough reason to be sus of him. Holly has been silent in most games as well, but her sole recent posts in this game have been bandwagon following votes.

What about his voting for Fire Queen?

 

[Ants!]

And since Vash came up as a regular townie after lynching, the claim is automatically disproven. He can't know Vash is a wolf. So if Vash comes up as a halfing at the end of this, it was pure luck, and yet everyone is acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Vash is the halfling.

No, it’s not disproven. His claim is he used his ability on someone who was targeted by the wolves in the same night and that gave him the identity of one of the werewolves instead. It’s in FQ’s rules. A bit of a reach, but plausible, and so far no one else has claimed his role. That’s why Vash coming up as townie doesn’t disprove him for at least one more phase.

And again, the reason why people are giving him the benefit of the doubt is because so far he is the only person to come forward and claim that role.

It almost feels like you are being purposely obtuse here and I can’t blame anybody for losing patience with you.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What about his voting for Fire Queen?

sus af

FQ is obviously playing for the good guys

 

[Fool's Requiem]

No, it’s not disproven. His claim is he used his ability on someone who was targeted by the wolves in the same night and that gave him the identity of one of the werewolves instead. It’s in FQ’s rules. A bit of a reach, but plausible, and so far no one else has claimed his role. That’s why Vash coming up as townie doesn’t disprove him for at least one more phase.

And again, the reason why people are giving him the benefit of the doubt is because so far he is the only person to come forward and claim that role.

It almost feels like you are being purposely obtuse here and I can’t blame anybody for losing patience with you.

What it disproves is that a seer saw Vash as wolf.

Halfling Wolf: half-wolf and half-human, this person has chosen to cast their lot with beastkind. they will appear as a regular Townie if the Seer attempts to discern their identity. if they are otherwise killed, they will initially be revealed to be a regular Townie. however, once one full night phase and one full day phase has passed since their death, their corpse will shift and their identity as a wolf will be revealed.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Halfings will ALWAYS appear as a townie.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Fire Queen , can you clarify whether or not a "random wolf" includes the Halfling? Based on the description of the Halfling, we well never know their true identity until a day and night phase.

 

[Ants!]

What it disproves is that a seer saw Vash as wolf.

Halfling Wolf: half-wolf and half-human, this person has chosen to cast their lot with beastkind. they will appear as a regular Townie if the Seer attempts to discern their identity. if they are otherwise killed, they will initially be revealed to be a regular Townie. however, once one full night phase and one full day phase has passed since their death, their corpse will shift and their identity as a wolf will be revealed.

Damn it, dude, this is why people are getting frustrated with you. You have selective reading. It’s been pointed out to you already (including by me):

TD didn’t pick to see Vash directly. He used his ability on someone else, that person was killed on the same night by wolves, so he was given the identity of a random wolf instead. That is a loophole in the halfling rule.

 

[Ants!]

Seer: the classic. once per night, can PM me the name of any player and will discover that player's role, if any. if the seer targets someone who is also targeted by the wolves, the seer will instead learn the identity of one random wolf. if the seer targets someone who is also targeted by the Vigilante, the seer will instead learn the Vigilante's identity.

 

[TD]

A few other massive holes in the theory.

- I mentioned Tubby was a regular townie before Jawneh and Kat's death, even after their death I hammered it home
- To frame Vash as the halfling, I would have had to know he was the regular townie
- If I was a wolf, exposing regular townies publically makes no sense
- It's been made a big deal at a few points that I have been trying to out special townie roles, despite this, I have not (could maybe argue poly but they have not been subtle)
- I would be reducing the ability for the halfling to be able to hide

And perhaps the biggest thing - do we think at this stage of the game, the seer still hasn't checked me?

 

[TD]

FR, you've had tunnel vision to the point where you haven't been reading what has been happening or listening to people. It's a bad look and surely when Benzine pops up as the Scryer and Vash turns, you're going to look really silly.

 

[TD]

FR -

I've tried to keep my cool with you and let it go, but I thought about it.

This is not in game

Fuck you and your fucking bullshit. I tried to be level headed and let it go. But it can't.

You don't go to "your mom" joke and attack someone personally. Especially when you don't know what the fuck they are going through or what's happening in their life.

Why do people always have to make this personal?

At this point, you're probably going to be the tycoon and it reveals just how fucking shit you are at this games.

You're just as bad as Ryan going after Cole on a personal level.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Sorry dude, I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit. I didn't mean anything by it. It wasn't my intent to make anything personal.

 

[Ants!]

Sorry dude, I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit. I didn't mean anything by it. It wasn't my intent to make anything personal.

That’s a good start.

 

[Fire Queen]

Seer: the classic. once per night, can PM me the name of any player and will discover that player's role, if any. if the seer targets someone who is also targeted by the wolves, the seer will instead learn the identity of one random wolf. if the seer targets someone who is also targeted by the Vigilante, the seer will instead learn the Vigilante's identity.

this is correct yes

gonna let this phase run for another hour and then i’ll wrap it early

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So, I was confused by that image and had to look up what it means. I still don't completely understand it, becuause it seems to me that it means I don't understand what I'm apologizing for or why TD is angry with me? I said some dumb shit that TD didn't appreciate. I'm not over here trying to attack people on a personal level and if he feels I did that, then I definitely feel the need to apologize. The only other thing I can do it try to avoid making the same mistake.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

this is correct yes

gonna let this phase run for another hour and then i’ll wrap it early

But does that include the Halfing who is supposed to always appear as a townie?

 

[canadaguy]

But does that include the Halfing who is supposed to always appear as a townie?

Identity means name

 

[Ants!]

So, I was confused by that image and had to look up what it means. I still don't completely understand it, becuause it seems to me that it means I don't understand what I'm apologizing for or why TD is angry with me? I said some dumb shit that TD didn't appreciate. I'm not over here trying to attack people on a personal level and if he feels I did that, then I definitely feel the need to apologize. The only other thing I can do it try to avoid making the same mistake.

Just some constructive criticism from me and not trying to be negative at all, I appreciate that you are trying to apologize.

What this means is that a genuine apology that you hope to be received well by the other person has to be something more than just defensiveness and explaining what you meant, as though the person you’re apologizing to just took it the wrong way. Even if there was no malicious intent, we have to own up to what we did. Maybe others can word this a lot better than I can.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Identity means name

Ok, but if a Halfling appears as a townie, then would they actually be named as a wolf? That is what I'm trying to get clarification on.

 

[Fire Queen]

in this extremely specific situation, no. the seer is learning that one random person is aligned with the wolves and not what their specific role is

 

[Fool's Requiem]

in this extremely specific situation, no. the seer is learning that one random person is aligned with the wolves and not what their specific role is

No, what I mean is if the halfling counts as a "random wolf".

 

[Fire Queen]

No, what I mean is if the halfling counts as a "random wolf".

yes because they are a wolf

 

[Fool's Requiem]

yes because they are a wolf

ok, thank you.

 

[Fire Queen]

Benzine: 8 (TD, Smacktard, Tubby23, Ants!, canadaguy, Holly, Warp, Benzine)
Fool's Requiem: 1 (Fool's Requiem)
The perfectly innocent and cool executioner, Fire Queen: 1 (Benzine)

The executioner was rightly offended at their honor being impugned. It didn't matter if eight others voted for Benzine, this was personal now. The execution went well until Benzine turned into a really fucked up Wolfscryer, but that wasn't anything that a round of silver bullets couldn't handle.

Also there was a commotion at the graveyard. The grave of VashTheStampede looked like it had been defiled. A closer inspection revealed that Vash was the Halfling Wolf all along. Who knew!

DAY 4 IS DONE, NIGHT 4 IS HERE.