The Netherealm

[Jon]

I don't know if Dean has the foresight to conjure that, though, Kelly, and even if he does, he's going to get blindsided by TD in the next Day phase, I would think. He will have the votes to make it happen with him Raine and Tommy at that point.

 

[Smacktard]

I don't know if Dean has the foresight to conjure that, though, Kelly, and even if he does, he's going to get blindsided by TD in the next Day phase, I would think. He will have the votes to make it happen with him Raine and Tommy at that point.

He won't though. It'll be 3v3 if Dean teams up with the town against TD and Raine. Dean just has to sell those two as the final remaining wolves.

Dean sounded a bit desperate yesterday but he has a ton of credibility at this point. He's been playing a good game. He has more than TD so far for sure.

 

[Jon]

He won't though. It'll be 3v3 if Dean teams up with the town against TD and Raine. Dean just has to sell those two as the final remaining wolves.

Dean sounded a bit desperate yesterday but he has a ton of credibility at this point. He's been playing a good game. He has more than TD so far for sure.

I don't disagree. But a lot of yesterday was for show to earn that credibility.

I'm not saying you're wrong. Technically all three teams have pathways to win. It's just highly unlikely at this point.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Has Raine just accepted death? She's voting for TD.

I guess she wins regardless, as long as they get Dean.

 

[Jon]

More likely to me at this point is that it's either the Shaman or you're a wolf.

I'm more than happy to be voted out at this point or tomorrow to prove this and hope that the town can pull this together to win.

NO TUBBY DON'T DO THIS! IT'S A FUCKING TRAP! THE TOWN NEVER PULLS IT TOGETHER!

 

[Jon]

Has Raine just accepted death? She's voting for TD.

My guess? Last second vote change as the last skip comes in.

TD is too calculated. They discussed this.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

My guess? Last second vote change as the last skip comes in.

TD is too calculated. They discussed this.

how does her changing her vote last second keep her alive? She needs TD to not get lynched, right now it's an overwhelming 5-2.

 

[Smacktard]

how does her changing her vote last second keep her alive? She needs TD to not get lynched, right now it's an overwhelming 5-2.

because Dean will vote too and tie the poll and no lynch will happen

 

[Jon]

NO TUBBY DON'T DO THIS! IT'S A FUCKING TRAP! THE TOWN NEVER PULLS IT TOGETHER!

Unless he wants an emotional damage badge? Nope, that's mine and mine alone. No one else suicides on the stand by punctuating!

 

[Jon]

how does her changing her vote last second keep her alive? She needs TD to not get lynched, right now it's an overwhelming 5-2.

Dean hasn't voted. Pretty sure all but Dean and Raine have skipped. Dean votes Benzine and skips. Raine switches to Benzine and skips and votes lock in and it's a split 4-4.

They are looking for the split, not a lynch here.

 

[Jon]

Kat, Raine and Dean are the ones that haven't skipped. For the record.

 

[Jon]

And that'll put a nail in the coffin even earlier thanks to Tubby switching.

 

[Christina]

Tubby switched back!

 

[Jon]

Interesting, he switched back to TD AFTER all skips were in. Not drunk Zell would catch that.

 

[Christina]

Spoilers Dean, I do not think you will live with this.

 

[Christina]

Why is nobody pulling their skip?

 

[Jon]

Spoilers Dean, I do not think you will live with this.

More likely to die in a blaze of Cupid glory.

Also, @Christina, Vash needs a LOT more cookies STAT if he's quitting

 

[Jon]

Why is nobody pulling their skip?

...lol?

Because you can't.

 

[Christina]

People used to in past games. It's there to speed up a game when nobody is going to chnage their mind. Not a tactic to steel a vote.

 

[Jawneh]

Why is nobody pulling their skip?

Like Jon said, Zell banned unskipping in the previous game when the poll was also introduced.

 

[Christina]

Oh than I would never vote to skip.

 

[Jon]

People used to in past games. It's there to speed up a game when nobody is going to chnage their mind. Not a tactic to steel a vote.

Yeah, there was a game where the skip/unskip mechanic was being abused for a long time, so when the poll was introduced, Zell banned the unskip. I believe he said it was there as a for of finality. "If you skip it's because you're done" or something similar.

If I recall, everyone had skipped and Benzine started down his "Oh well GG town" after being lynched and all of a sudden 5 unskips and vote changes came in.

 

[Christina]

It doesn't help I find the skip thing to be potentially insulting. For example when people open a day with a vote and skip. It's like jailing somebody without a trial. You are pretty much saying you don't want to hear from that person. Now the no unskip was used to steal a vote. I would never use a skip again after this if I was anybody. You are opening yourself up to the wolves to steal a vote.

 

[Jawneh]

It doesn't help I find the skip thing to be potentially insulting. For example when people open a day with a vote and skip. It's like jailing somebody without a trial. You are pretty much saying you don't want to hear from that person. Now the no unskip was used to steal a vote. I would never use a skip again after this if I was anybody. You are opening yourself up to the wolves to steal a vote.

Agreed. I believe that's also why it has to be unanimous later or unanimous -1 when there's still many folks playing. So it'll be either the vast majority wanting to more along and one person not being able to be stubborn, and later most people not being able to railroad possible important info.

 

[Jon]

It doesn't help I find the skip thing to be potentially insulting. For example when people open a day with a vote and skip. It's like jailing somebody without a trial. You are pretty much saying you don't want to hear from that person. Now the no unskip was used to steal a vote. I would never use a skip again after this if I was anybody. You are opening yourself up to the wolves to steal a vote.

I think Zell said the skips need to be unanimous to help alleviate that, but I hear your point.

If they used it to steal a vote, I do not know with certainty. I think the 4-4 split was always the intended outcome of this vote.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I don't think Vash is going to play many more of these. In our jail chat, he stated that he was enjoying just goofing off not having a power role or a wolf. But man, this Cupid shit is not to his liking at all.

I think Cupid is to Vash as Shadown Wolf is to me. Fuck that role.

 

[Jon]

Agreed. I believe that's also why it has to be unanimous later or unanimous -1 when there's still many folks playing. So it'll be either the vast majority wanting to more along and one person not being able to be stubborn, and later most people not being able to railroad possible important info.

Right, like I could have been an absolute prick on my second alpha vote. I could have forced them to wait the whole 24 hours to kill me. I personally think the time itself is too long in phases. Almost necessary due to time zones, but I'm impatient lol

 

[Jon]

I don't think Vash is going to play many more of these. In our jail chat, he stated that he was enjoying just goofing off not having a power role or a wolf. But man, this Cupid shit is not to his liking at all.

I think Cupid is to Vash as Shadown Wolf is to me. Fuck that role.

I mean I've sensed he was burnt a little from the last couple games. Makes me sad if he goes the way of Cole though.

 

[Jawneh]

Right, like I could have been an absolute prick on my second alpha vote. I could have forced them to wait the whole 24 hours to kill me. I personally think the time itself is too long in phases. Almost necessary due to time zones, but I'm impatient lol

Yeah. We got to keep it decently long for all our friends around the world to chime in. As much fun as it would be to have shorter games at times, forums are meant to be slower and more chill. I like to just pop in here and there instead of being glued here for as long as it takes. Though sometimes I am anyways, but I digress.

 

[Jon]

Hmm, lol... Dean actually voted much earlier and it was 5-3 at that time. Wonder if they know this?

 

[Jon]

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 5

Vote Benzine and skip I guess

gwforums.com

He first skipped here, and that's when I posted above that it was over early because Tubby was on Benzine at that point.

Technically this got stolen the OTHER way.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

there's no way the Cupid trio doesn't win this, right?

 

[Christina]

I think they were teying to steal a no lynch and felt bad because they didn't plan on Tubby switching too. Which I do not understand why he did, but I know a lot more for certain than he did. So they didn't want to push the issue on Tubby's vote because what they did was already kind of meta gamie.

 

[Jon]

there's no way the Cupid trio doesn't win this, right?

They should, unless there is a massive cock up.

My guess is TD kills Kat night phase (he's been having dean check to confirm people so I doubt Dean's given up powers). Kat exposes Dean. Lynch Dean. Cupid trio kills Vash, wolf kill Tubby for game.

 

[Jawneh]

I did see it being 5-3 when there was a number of skips posted, but idk if that was before or after the last skip.

 

[Jon]

I did see it being 5-3 when there was a number of skips posted, but idk if that was before or after the last skip.

I was counting them for fun. Truly doesn't matter to the outcome.

 

[Jawneh]

I think they were teying to steal a no lynch and felt bad because they didn't plan on Tubby switching too. Which I do not understand why he did, but I know a lot more for certain than he did. So they didn't want to push the issue on Tubby's vote because what they did was already kind of meta gamie.

To be fair, in a game not too long ago, Tubby did the exact same thing towards the end of the day and if all the wolves were around and alert, they could've stolen the lynch.

Seems to be a Tubby thing now lol.

 

[Jawneh]

If Tubby secretly moved his trap onto someone else other than him there's a chance. But idk otherwise.

 

[Jon]

To be fair, in a game not too long ago, Tubby did the exact same thing towards the end of the day and if all the wolves were around and alert, they could've stolen the lynch.

Seems to be a Tubby thing now lol.

Yup, that was the game where the wolves got all the right luck and needed ONE more kill and we were too arrogant and it all fell apart. One of my first games... not a fond memory.

 

[Jon]

If Tubby secretly moved his trap onto someone else other than him there's a chance. But idk otherwise.

Wouldn't be smart... because it takes a night phase to set. They are better off getting him in a lynch.

 

[Jawneh]

The role description doesn't say that the trap expires. Technically he could set it somewhere else, die later, and it's still there to save someone.

Unless Zell disagrees that is lol. Makes logical sense for it to stick around. Kind of like if the ritualist threw a rez on someone and then died themselves.

 

[Christina]

Something else that bothered me watching this game. Tommy admitted he was Cupid, thus he is now a townie with a compromised agenda. People just treat the cupid as a normie townie and they are not. They're goal is for the cupid pair to win first and town second. Thus anything Tommy did or said should have been looked at through the eyes of who is he really trying to help.

 

[Zell 17]

Something else that bothered me watching this game. Tommy admitted he was Cupid, thus he is now a townie with a compromised agenda. People just treat the cupid as a normie townie and they are not. They're goal is for the cupid pair to win first and town second. Thus anything Tommy did or said should have been looked at through the eyes of who is he really trying to help.

LIKE x 100

 

[Jon]

Something else that bothered me watching this game. Tommy admitted he was Cupid, thus he is now a townie with a compromised agenda. People just treat the cupid as a normie townie and they are not. They're goal is for the cupid pair to win first and town second. Thus anything Tommy did or said should have been looked at through the eyes of who is he really trying to help.

Yeah, I remember reading earlier in this thread Zell addressed this and he's changing Cupid after the game.

 

[Jon]

LIKE x 100

You're drunk, Santa. Go home.

 

[GwJumpman]

I died so people would forget about the other OTHER alternate wincon

 

[Jon]

I died so people would forget about the other OTHER alternate wincon

You died so others could win.

 

[Christina]

You died so others could win.

This should be the tag line for wolf games.

 

[shortkut]

reminder for me to read this thread starting with post 217.

I meant to read day 3, but they finished day for as well. My comments in the next post. It’s refreshing to read the day when it is already complete

 

[Zell 17]

You're drunk, Santa. Go home.

I WONT