Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Tubby23]

I understand your side. I am EST and I work from home starting at 9, I'll be awake. But if you REALLY want me to ensure there is a vote in... fine. But again, should he show at the 11th hour and I see it, and I find it credible, I will drop the vote.

I vote Tommy Boy for lynch.

That's literally the whole plan

 

[Dean]

I think @Zell 17 is probably offline. Anybody want to update the vote tallies?

 

[Jon]

Why reluctant? There's no penalty for changing your vote.

Strictly a personal principle thing. I do not enjoy flip flopping with the masses. it's why yesterday, I didn't flip my vote, I just abstanined in the end. I will vote what I believe with as few changes as is humanly possible. I studied law for too long. My brain wants the facts before passing judgment.

 

[Jon]

That's literally the whole plan

Fair enough. I just don't like it.

 

[Benzine]

What if I hold the town hostage and say I will revive Tommy if he's the target in an attempt to lynch Jawneh, who is certainly a naughty naughty boy.

 

[Benzine]

That takes the concern out of it for everyone!

 

[Tubby23]

Sure, we gotta lynch somebody.

I vote Tommy.

What're we assuming about Local, Raposa, and Alu if we think Tommy is guilty?

Doesn't necessarily change my view on them or you. Raposa is the most likely to get cleared on Tommy being guilty

 

[Dean]

Doesn't necessarily change my view on them or you. Raposa is the most likely to get cleared on Tommy being guilty

If it turns out you're evil and pulling strings, kudos. You would be the Wolf MVP.

 

[Tubby23]

Fair enough. I just don't like it.

It's unfortunately one of the few ideas to get shit moving in our favour.

 

[Cole]

What if I hold the town hostage and say I will revive Tommy if he's the target in an attempt to lynch Jawneh, who is certainly a naughty naughty boy.

may be I missed something, why are you this positive he's not the sorceror?

 

[Kat]

Doesn't necessarily change my view on them or you. Raposa is the most likely to get cleared on Tommy being guilty

I wouldn't expect him being guilty to change your view on me. It seems relevant to the four people I listed, though.

 

[Benzine]

may be I missed something, why are you this positive he's not the sorceror?

I'm absolutely not at all, just sharing thoughts. I do feel more that Tommy is the good option. No actual reasons, and wouldn't hold the town hostage (unless I """""knew"""").

 

[Tubby23]

UNOFFICIAL
Votes to lynch (6 required):

@Tommy Boy - 5 (Cole, Tubby23, Dean, Kat, Jon)
Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)

No vote - 3 (Benzine, Jawneh, Tommy Boy)

 

[Dean]

I'm torn between Tommy and Raposuh. I would have probably preferred Raposuh. I'm surprised Alu isn't pushing harder for us to go after Raposuh. Honestly, nobody seems to want to argue with whatever is being done besides Jon, and that scares me.

 

[Kat]

I'm torn between Tommy and Raposuh. I would have probably preferred Raposuh. I'm surprised Alu isn't pushing harder for us to go after Raposuh. Honestly, nobody seems to want to argue with whatever is being done besides Jon, and that scares me.

I'm just glad we're finally doing SOMETHING.

 

[Benzine]

I will vote today and probably for TB if that's the way we're going, but I will be asleep for many many many hours in the lead up to the actual moment so maybe miss a stunning argument.

So, my phone number to reach me on is...

 

[Dean]

I'm absolutely not at all, just sharing thoughts. I do feel more that Tommy is the good option. No actual reasons, and wouldn't hold the town hostage (unless I """""knew"""").

If Tubby's correct, you would cast the deciding sixth vote. I'll try to jump back on in about 7 hours and check shit out.

I am open to either Tommy or Raposuh, so take your pick.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I'm torn between Tommy and Raposuh. I would have probably preferred Raposuh. I'm surprised Alu isn't pushing harder for us to go after Raposuh. Honestly, nobody seems to want to argue with whatever is being done besides Jon, and that scares me.

I'm honestly concerned as to why Kelly is voting with me, and why he was able to so easily jump on that wagon.

 

[Smacktard]

The town is playing stupid. I gave proof about my role and about my knowledge about how Raine could be warden. No one else claimed to have been jailed last night, so it's a fact.

Still, shortkut votes for me. If that's not clear indication he's a wolf, what will be to you people? If you can't decide between Tommy and Raposa, vote for the person who clearly indicates he's against the town.

Wtf r u guys doin

the outcome in this case was 3 civilian deaths at your hand.

Lmao nope and you're not going to make me feel bad about a play that has nothing to do with me. People figured TD's role out and he asked to be locked up. Not sure how Vash's misfire can be pinned on me either, but it's interesting how you assign so much blame to me for things beyond my control -- almost like you're trying to divide the town or something haha no can't be

"our best and only lead"

so your read and Alus word are the best read we have when we have a seer telling us who's evil?

what planet do you live on?

"Just trust thesupposed seer in a game of deception" man if this isn't the dumbest post I've ever read lol

The aura seer came out publicly, and enough people claimed random that the wolves could have realized the only possible role for TD to have with a good aura was the Tough Guy

TD asked to be locked up with Local at the end of the day yesterday. That's why wolves berserkered him.

Look at Tommy, LH & Kat all very quickly defend each other and agree with each other in the first 6 or 7 posts in today's thread btw

No stop noticing things

Kut, Kat, Cole, Local
Raposa OR Tommy

Town: commit to a decision that's not insane

 

[Jon]

nobody seems to want to argue with whatever is being done besides Jon, and that scares me.

I... am not sure how to take that?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Because I unfortunately have no actual knowledge other than I can tell you that Raposa is either lying or I was also hit by the shaman. I know that Cole wants me to include the possibility that I could be a wolf, which from your perspective makes sense. But I know that I'm not, which is why I haven't included it before.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I... am not sure how to take that?

Rest of us need to argue is what he's saying.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

TD asked to be locked up with Local at the end of the day yesterday. That's why wolves berserkered him

I missed that, he did?

 

[Smacktard]

Again.

I vote shortkut.

Reason: voting for me after I've proven I'm town

Logic: TD would have had a way of guaranteeing whether I was wolf or town in jail when the weapon dropped. Read Warden's description.

Last post. You either join to vote shortkut and save the Tommy/Raposa debate for another day, or town burns.

 

[Dean]

Too lazy to quote

@Jon that wasn't meant as a comment toward you, more that everyone seemed to be a bit unsure if their direction and too willing to go along with whatever, which makes me think the wolves are satisfied and just watching us

@Smacktard we committed to Tommy. You said in your post, commit to one or the other. We selected Tommy (for now lolz)

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Too lazy to quote

@Jon that wasn't meant as a comment toward you, more that everyone seemed to be a bit unsure if their direction and too willing to go along with whatever, which makes me think the wolves are satisfied and just watching us

@Smacktard we committed to Tommy. You said in your post, commit to one or the other. We selected Tommy (for now lolz)

The town needs to 100% agree or we lose today, almost certainly.

 

[Dean]

It looks like it's @Tommy Boy

So that's what I'm going with for now

Good night, and I'll be back around 6:30 am ET or so

 

[Kat]

Look who's back again after their final final post.

I gave proof about my role and about my knowledge about how Raine could be warden. No one else claimed to have been jailed last night, so it's a fact.

You've proved nothing. Being locked up doesn't prove you are who you say you are.

Warden
Aura: Unknown
During the day, can select to jail two players at night. Selection is done via PM to me. ... Jailed players can send two messages to each other through me as an intermediary. The Warden can listen to the discussion but cannot contribute. The Warden can give both players a weapon to use on the other prisoner. Only villagers are able to see/use the weapon. If the weapon is used on a villager or werewolf fan, the player using the weapon will die.

So how can TD guarantee one way or the other?

 

[Tubby23]

No stop noticing things

Kut, Kat, Cole, Local
Raposa OR Tommy

Town: commit to a decision that's not insane

I'm literally bringing scrutiny to 3 of the 6 people you mentioned.

We picked Tommy

 

[Dean]

I know @Tommy Boy sees this. He laugh reacted to a post of mine within the last few minutes.

Alright good night for realz

 

[Tommy Boy]

I was out all day, terrible timing. Replying now.

 

[Tubby23]

I know @Tommy Boy sees this. He laugh reacted to a post of mine within the last few minutes.

Alright good night for realz

Sad reacted one of mine too

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I'm literally bringing scrutiny to 3 of the 6 people you mentioned.

We picked Tommy

The leading theory for why Tommy over Raposa was that Tommy could have communicated TDs exact role of Tough Guy to the wolves to get him berserked to die.

However if TD literally asked to be locked up it removes the need to know anything about his role. It's a 2 for 1 shot.

 

[Kat]

I was out all day, terrible timing. Replying now.

I feel for you, man. It happened to me too when I was just a cute little echidna.

I don't actually remember what echidnas look like.

 

[Kat]

The leading theory for why Tommy over Raposa was that Tommy could have communicated TDs exact role of Tough Guy to the wolves to get him berserked to die.

However if TD literally asked to be locked up it removes the need to know anything about his role. It's a 2 for 1 shot.

I was active until the end of the day yesterday and I don't remember seeing him asking to be locked up. But maybe it was a hint I missed.

 

[Tubby23]

I was active until the end of the day yesterday and I don't remember seeing him asking to be locked up. But maybe it was a hint I missed.

It was hinted at when TD was asking about the weapon drops etc

 

[Tubby23]

I didn't catch it for asking to be jailed until now though so I'm not sure that was 100% clear.

 

[Kat]

It was hinted at when TD was asking about the weapon drops etc

Ahh I do remember him asking about "types of weapons" now that you mention it.

 

[Kat]

I kinda expected the warden to jail the two seers. Would've been an easy way to figure out which of them was legit.

 

[Dean]

Wait if Raine was the Warden, why did she die when TD got Berserked?

Is that even a thing?

 

[Kat]

Wait if Raine was the Warden, why did she die when TD got Berserked?

Is that even a thing?

Because TD was jailed and she was "protecting" him (because you can't normally get attacked in jail).

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I kinda expected the warden to jail the two seers. Would've been an easy way to figure out which of them was legit.

That would have been clever. But if it was Tommy as a legit seer in there I could have seen him not wanting to kill his cell mate regardless of who it was.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I can agree it's Alu or Tommy here.

Raposa could still be the aura seer and All got shamaned (an option)

I am now dreadfully regretting working with Raposa without knowing if he was actually a seer or not. It seems my guaranteed role has flipped into the "second" aura seer, which I totally believe to be false now.

Why are you picking Tommy over raposuh for aura seer?

This means Kat is a liar

Then that's what it means. I am who I have been saying I am. I provided reads immediately on day one and day two. If it had not been for the confusion wolf, we would have been able to at the very least confirm TD had a good aura like I said. I still don't think it was a waste checking Local Hero and going along with the plan. But now I'm thinking Raposa is not going along with this plan. The fact that people believe he is the seer, had an EVIL read last night, and then vote for me to lynch - is anybody not seeing this? I could have easily lost my patience with Kelly being so aggressive earlier and just popped my vote on him, but I waited for some more discussion instead. All that happened was people forgetting what actually happened. If Raposa said Alu is evil, why the hell is the focus on me? And what exactly would the town be able to do when I am the dead aura seer tomorrow morning? This is fucked.

Less than three hours to go. We can't keep twiddling our thumbs and hemming and hawing. I'm going to number the people who have been recently voted for (I'm using the list before Raposa changed to shortkut because that's not a serious vote):

1 Raposuh
2 Smacktard
3 Alu
4 Tommy Boy
5 Tubby23

Chances are two or three are guilty so I'm just going to roll a d6. Then let's discuss if that's a good person to lynch. If we decide no then I'll roll again (or someone else can if you don't trust me).

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That's Tommy Boy. How do we feel about lynching him? We suspect either Raposa or Tommy must be sorcerer. Kelly felt strongly that he was guilty... until he didn't. He says Local is unknown aura and TD (RIP) was good aura. After he announced TD's aura, he was berserk killed. Some people think he's tough guy (nobody else has contradicted or hinted afaik, but you've all seen how well I notice hints), which Tommy would've known yesterday and could've told the wolves if he is actually sorcerer.

Thoughts for or against?

Oh we're using DICE to determine my merit now. I don't lie in these games, period. When I was a wolf, I flailed. I'm sure anyone can say "you always say that!" or "maybe you got better at being a liar!" - no. This cannot happen in a few weeks time, let alone a few months. I am bad at lying. I have been straight up about everything in this game. We cannot resort to things like dice rolls to determine which is the baddy out of a list we're not even 100 sure on.

Alu and Tommy are the ones we have the best reason to believe right now. we don't have room for error, but we also can be wrong as I've said several times.

we need to do this and do it right.

Then I implore each and every one of us to not vote for me tonight. It is imperative we catch a wolf tonight, and if you kill me and see that I'm the Aura Seer, you will have to waste an entire day on figuring out what the hell is going on with Raposa.

Tommy has displayed in many game he's not keen on the wolf pressure and gets a bit... frazzled. I actually hope he's a wolf and is CRUSHING us now, that'll make me happy on a personal level. But, with a bunch of wolf types about, I have a feeling that when distributing roles out to each wolf they would NOT give the fake seer responsibility to Tommy, or he would not ask for it. Of course maybe Tommy's got a new found sense of wolf confidence and opted for it, knowing that some of us would think this way. I'll have to go with the simpler option in this paragraph though.

I hate to disappoint but I am not just going to gain the ability to cleverly fool all of my friends overnight. I'm actually quite surprised the narative has flipped to me and everyone is blindly trusting Raposa. But... I blindly trusted Raposa. And that might lead to my death now.

I would be proud of Tommy, too. I kind of hope he is a wolf and has us all duped lol

It would be cool yeah but I also wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I successfully fooled everyone - game or not. I don't have it in me. I cannot lie in these things.

That said there is no way the wolves don't sit there and think "Tommy no one will expect you to be a fake seer and even better you barely have to lie you can give proper reads until you have to give one on us"

Not saying you're wrong just that there are multiple options

I can't argue against this because it's simply the reality of being on the wrong side of an accusation. Once the ball starts rolling, it's almost impossible to stop.

I'm on the theory of Tommy's target winding up dead under confusion

Close - Tommy is going to wind up dead leaving everyone else confused, and likely with no way to win.

Which of the two Tommy related scenarios do you think is simpler? Him claiming the mantle which easily could be done by someone else, or just being the seer?

I claimed spirit seer when I was a wolf and failed miserably. Yet whenever I have a villager role that's useful, I do my best to do my duty each night. It's far more challenging to lie constantly about every single thing you've said without fucking up somewhere. I have only been honest in all of my posts, and there are very little to go through to go back and check. I am not lying. I am the Aura Seer.

I think I'm going the Tommy is innocent route for now but I'd love to have @Tommy Boy turn up and chat when he's free (pls don't feel obligated if life is on), maybe I could get a read... But it'd just be a read.

All good mate, was building shelves for my GF and knew shit was going down here. But we had solid plans tonight, had to take care of stuff. I knew I would make it back before midnight at the very least with half the day phase remaining.

But I also prefer the Tommy is good route... Because really, the town is pretty fucked right now, we only have one extra night kill with Dean, yes? I kinda like going the option with a bit more of a path.

Agreed. We need to look harder into Raposa's claim and whatever the hell is going on with Kat. We still have time to course correct.

if that's the question, I hadnt considered he might be covering for a "different wolf" so to speak. I'm a big fan of wolves claiming each other's roles, it shakes things up on death. I would think it's more probable Tommy IS the sorceror though, all due respect to him, I'm not sure he could do the double layer.

Bro I can't do a single layer let alone double. Everything I said is at face value.

That depends on who you have for your team. Tommy cannot handle the lying, so it wouldn’t make sense in this situation

Finally.

We are all sitting here spinning with no sign of Tommy.
You know how we could solve that and get him here to respond is if we all voted him to lynch. Either he turns up and convinces us he is truly an Aura Seer, or he crumbles under the pressure and we lynch a wolf. Alternatively he doesn't turn up at all to defend himself and we lynch a wolf

I don't have notifications but don't worry, I had this thread in the back of my mind all day. I knew I was going to return to a bunch of stuff, but honestly did not consider it to be this.

You'll have to convince a few people to switch. Alu and Kelly seem set on Raposa, which I understand for Alu, since Raposa called him evil.

Could we do the same thing but with Raposa instead of Tommy?

I think this needs to happen at this point. I'm completely over the fact thinking there are two Aura Seers. I know for certain there is one, me, and that is who I trust.

I don't know if I feel good about Tommy, but I also don't know why he won't come into the thread and defend himself.

At this point, we need more votes. Hoping some more people come in.

I'll try to check things out early in the morning and hope it's not too late.

See above. My bad.

I'm torn between Tommy and Raposuh. I would have probably preferred Raposuh. I'm surprised Alu isn't pushing harder for us to go after Raposuh. Honestly, nobody seems to want to argue with whatever is being done besides Jon, and that scares me.

My point exactly. Raposa accuses Alu and then pretty much that fizzles out into me being sus. How? Why?

 

[Tubby23]

Look I know Tommy is a genuinely great guy people but he is here playing the game people. And in much the same way as we all needed to stop insta-killing Cole or just following everything he did, it's time to stop assuming Tommy Boy won't kill or can't be bad.

 

[shortkut]

I literally just hinted at it.

Also, no worries, @Benzine, it's how it is played.

You said the word confusion… are you the confusion wolf?

 

[Cole]

Reason: voting for me after I've proven I'm town

no the fuck you didn't lol

did you really mock me for believing someone in a game of deception and that assume we should believe you becsuse what? you say so?

you were pumping zell strategies all through day 1.

zell is of the belief that reads are always wrong, and it's the word of roles that can tell that should be trusted.

but now you don't wanna trust a seer thst you authenticated because he cleared you.

if you don't find that fishy, then what are you even doing?

I'm willing to trust Repose in this case and deal with the aftermath because he has the strongest claim.

short of lynching Alu because I also don't fully believe a shaman would have targeted him as well, I will settle for Tommy who I believe set up TD and Raines double kill.

so again, I vote Tommy

 

[Tommy Boy]

I finally see it. I finally see how fucked it is when everyone is so confidently wrong. Wow.

 

[Dean]

Alright fuck it

Tommy, would you pick Alu or Raposuh at this point?

 

[Kat]

Raposa accuses Alu and then pretty much that fizzles out into me being sus. How? Why?

I mean, I asked this multiple times and nobody wanted to even discuss it. We're just believing the shaman thing, apparently.

 

[Dean]

I'm willing to walk it back.
@Cole it seems like you'd rather be lynching Alu right now
@Tommy Boy do you think lynching Alu is the best play? This would show if Raposuh is telling the truth (barring shenanigans?)
@Tubby23 @Kat @Jon @Benzine @Smacktard

I'm going to sleep for real now. I guess let me know what we wanna do.