Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Dean]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)
Kat - 1 (Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (Dean)

No vote - 6 (Benzine, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

We are all sitting here spinning with no sign of Tommy.
You know how we could solve that and get him here to respond is if we all voted him to lynch. Either he turns up and convinces us he is truly an Aura Seer, or he crumbles under the pressure and we lynch a wolf. Alternatively he doesn't turn up at all to defend himself and we lynch a wolf

You'll have to convince a few people to switch. Alu and Kelly seem set on Raposa, which I understand for Alu, since Raposa called him evil.

Could we do the same thing but with Raposa instead of Tommy?

 

[Tubby23]

You'll have to convince a few people to switch. Alu and Kelly seem set on Raposa, which I understand for Alu, since Raposa called him evil.

Could we do the same thing but with Raposa instead of Tommy?

Whoever, let's pick someone and just put them in peril now so that we have enough time to switch to another if they adequately defend themselves.

I picked Tommy because he seems to have the most unanswered questions and my vote plus Cole is 2

 

[Benzine]

but now I'm curious, if not thst. then what were you asking?

Just which reads as the most simple explanation to the situation

1. Tommy is the seer
2. Tommy is a bad guy pretending to help the town.

But after saying yeah he could be the sorc and that would explain why he hasn't found a wolf when anyone would trip to find one

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Tommy Boy - 2 (Cole, Tubby23)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)
Tubby23 - 1 (Dean)

No vote - 5 (Benzine, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[Dean]

Just which reads as the most simple explanation to the situation

1. Tommy is the seer
2. Tommy is a bad guy pretending to help the town.

But after saying yeah he could be the sorc and that would explain why he hasn't found a wolf when anyone would trip to find one

So if Tommy is who we are suspecting now, I guess I'm fine with that. That would mean Kat may be innocent, Alu could be guilty, and maybe shortkut instead of Cole?

But whatever. Vote @Tommy Boy for a glorious lynch.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Tommy Boy - 3 (Cole, Tubby23, Dean)
Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)

No vote - 5 (Benzine, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So jumping back a bit. Cole wants to believe Tommy is the liar between him and Raposa, and is saying it's likely because of how they nailed TD.

However, going back to Cole's argument early on, how claiming Guaranteed vs. Random would help the wolves...well it very much could have. The aura seer came out publicly, and enough people claimed random that the wolves could have realized the only possible role for TD to have with a good aura was the Tough Guy, even if they weren't the ones who made the read.

However it makes me less easy if this is the case since Kelly led the charge on that and he's voting with me as opposed to the other seer. I would have expected him to jump right on board to lynch me if he were aligned with the wolves.

 

[Tubby23]

@Smacktard when you wake up could you help us with this? Or give us a great reason to swap to Raposuh

 

[Tubby23]

@Tommy Boy show yourself

 

[Dean]

@Raposuh @Kat @Smacktard

Are you all aboard the Tommy Boy train?

 

[Benzine]

So jumping back a bit. Cole wants to believe Tommy is the liar between him and Raposa, and is saying it's likely because of how they nailed TD.

However, going back to Cole's argument early on, how claiming Guaranteed vs. Random would help the wolves...well it very much could have. The aura seer came out publicly, and enough people claimed random that the wolves could have realized the only possible role for TD to have with a good aura was the Tough Guy, even if they weren't the ones who made the read.

However it makes me less easy if this is the case since Kelly led the charge on that and he's voting with me as opposed to the other seer. I would have expected him to jump right on board to lynch me if he were aligned with the wolves.

Keep going I'm almost there

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Keep going I'm almost there

Kut creepily watched me last night as I was sleeping and found nothing out.

 

[Tubby23]

Kut creepily watched me last night as I was sleeping and found nothing out.

 

[Dean]

Kut creepily watched me last night as I was sleeping and found nothing out.

Well, you do have Anal and Adventure in your screen name...

 

[shortkut]

No one attacked Alu last night, but if he were a wolf, they wouldn’t attack him…

 

[Dean]

I'm trying to think of the math on this. Maybe it isn't the best approach, but it's what I got.

Kelly and Cole have been at odds, more than I think they would as wolves (but if it's a ploy, it's convincing)
Cole is buying Raposa more than Tommy

I don't know. I'm trying to math this out, based on groups, kind of like @Benzine

Tommy Boy, Local Hero, Smacktard, Jawneh, Jon, and maybe Alu?

I'm lost at this point

 

[Tubby23]

Look at Tommy, LH & Kat all very quickly defend each other and agree with each other in the first 6 or 7 posts in today's thread btw

 

[Tubby23]

I'm trying to think of the math on this. Maybe it isn't the best approach, but it's what I got.

Kelly and Cole have been at odds, more than I think they would as wolves (but if it's a ploy, it's convincing)
Cole is buying Raposa more than Tommy

I don't know. I'm trying to math this out, based on groups, kind of like @Benzine

Tommy Boy, Local Hero, Smacktard, Jawneh, Jon, and maybe Alu?

I'm lost at this point

Kat, add Kat

 

[Dean]

So maybe swap Alu out for Kat?

Tommy Boy, Local Hero, Smacktard, Jawneh, Jon, and Kat?

 

[Dean]

Kelly was leading the charge against Local though, right?

I can't seem to get a good six person combo

 

[Benzine]

Could someone please remind me what @Jon has claimed?

 

[Dean]

Could someone please remind me what @Jon has claimed?

He said he was guaranteed then admitted to being full of shit

 

[Dean]

Jon's defense was something about dying in the last game when he tried to help the team so now he's sworn off being helpful idk it was weak as fuck

 

[Dean]

I don't know if I feel good about Tommy, but I also don't know why he won't come into the thread and defend himself.

At this point, we need more votes. Hoping some more people come in.

I'll try to check things out early in the morning and hope it's not too late.

 

[Jon]

he's sworn off being helpful idk

I have not sworn off being helpful. I said i was going to play it more passively. Even when I was doing nothing but posting memes I was being accused of something. So, I'm making my own decisions on guilt versus innocence and will provide info as I think it's helpful.

As I said, there is so much confusion and infighting, I have nothing at the moment. I'm useless to the game otherwise.

 

[Dean]

I have not sworn off being helpful. I said i was going to play it more passively. Even when I was doing nothing but posting memes I was being accused of something. So, I'm making my own decisions on guilt versus innocence and will provide info as I think it's helpful.

As I said, there is so much confusion and infighting, I have nothing at the moment. I'm useless to the game otherwise.

You could announce your exact role to eliminate suspicion

 

[Benzine]

I'm super happy to murder Jon (sorry @Jon )

 

[Dean]

I'm super happy to murder Jon (sorry @Jon )

He seems like he's playing the role of the clueless player to slip under the radar. He was fine jumping on either bandwagon yesterday (but so was I lololol)

 

[Jon]

You could announce your exact role to eliminate suspicion

I literally just hinted at it.

Also, no worries, @Benzine, it's how it is played.

 

[Tubby23]

I don't know if I feel good about Tommy, but I also don't know why he won't come into the thread and defend himself.

At this point, we need more votes. Hoping some more people come in.

I'll try to check things out early in the morning and hope it's not too late.

He was last seen at 8.37am my time, his last post in this thread was at 4.59am my time. Ignoring the accusations over the last 2 hours which he could reasonably have been asleep might be worth looking at whether he ignored anything during the 3.5 hours between his last post and last seen

 

[Tubby23]

I have not sworn off being helpful. I said i was going to play it more passively. Even when I was doing nothing but posting memes I was being accused of something. So, I'm making my own decisions on guilt versus innocence and will provide info as I think it's helpful.

As I said, there is so much confusion and infighting, I have nothing at the moment. I'm useless to the game otherwise.

Now's time to be less passive and vote for Tommy

Or

 

[Dean]

I literally just hinted at it.

Also, no worries, @Benzine, it's how it is played.

I guess that's for everyone else to judge

 

[Tubby23]

Doesn't have to announce role, that's whatever. But you could at least participate in the plan.

 

[Jon]

Now's time to be less passive and vote for Tommy

Or

I have not eliminated anyone except the following for innocence: Vash, Raine and TD. If Tommy doesn't have credible defense, you can have my vote.

I guess that's for everyone else to judge

It is. Take a look at my last few posts as an example of precisely what has happened to everyone else in this game. You don't hear the exact answer you want and all of a sudden "YOU'RE GUILTY! LYNCH HIM!" That's why I've played it passive. But when called, I've shown up.

 

[Tubby23]

He won't provide a defense until he is in peril. You actively ignoring the conversation is just sus

 

[Jon]

He won't provide a defense until he is in peril. You actively ignoring the conversation is just sus

No offense, but I think you all have been talking and planning enough for all of us. What would you like me to discuss? I'm up for maybe another hour. What is it you would like me to say?

 

[Tubby23]

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No offense, but I think you all have been talking and planning enough for all of us. What would you like me to discuss? I'm up for maybe another hour. What is it you would like me to say?

I would like you to vote for Tommy, that is all

 

[Benzine]

No offense, but I think you all have been talking and planning enough for all of us.

huh?

 

[Kat]

@Raposuh @Kat @Smacktard

Are you all aboard the Tommy Boy train?

Sure, we gotta lynch somebody.

I vote Tommy.

What're we assuming about Local, Raposa, and Alu if we think Tommy is guilty?

 

[Jon]

I am willing to, of that I promise. But I would LIKE to hear what he has to say for himself. If it REALLY makes a difference for me to slap a vote on him before I've heard his side, I will reluctantly do so. But I will reserve my right to pull that vote back if I find his defense credible.

 

[Dean]

Sure, we gotta lynch somebody.

I vote Tommy.

What're we assuming about Local, Raposa, and Alu if we think Tommy is guilty?

I think with Tommy and Raposuh, it's an either/or. If Tommy is guilty, then I think Raposa is innocent.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Sure, we gotta lynch somebody.

I vote Tommy.

What're we assuming about Local, Raposa, and Alu if we think Tommy is guilty?

If you think Tommy is guilty, then you probably should think Raposa is Innocent.

 

[Jon]

huh?

That was in response to Tubby saying not actively participating in the planning makes me sus

 

[Kat]

I think with Tommy and Raposuh, it's an either/or. If Tommy is guilty, then I think Raposa is innocent.

Would that make Alu guilty, or do we believe the shaman defense? Seems like a bit of a reach, doesn't it?

Local could go either way for me. It could've been an honest read to cover himself (sounds kinda likely based on what you guys are saying about how he doesn't like to lie) or a fake read to cover a nearly lynched wolf. Do you think the wolves pressured him to lie?

 

[Dean]

I am willing to, of that I promise. But I would LIKE to hear what he has to say for himself. If it REALLY makes a difference for me to slap a vote on him before I've heard his side, I will reluctantly do so. But I will reserve my right to pull that vote back if I find his defense credible.

I get your hesitation, but here's the deal. It is 11 pm ET. The phase ends in 12 hours. Most people are US, with a lot of east coast or central time zone, so they will likely be asleep for 5-7 hours of that time. There isn't much time left to delay and wait and see. If Tommy wanted to prove his innocence, he would've been posting. He has admitted in the past that he hates lying and isn't good as a wolf/evil player.

 

[Dean]

Would that make Alu guilty, or do we believe the shaman defense? Seems like a bit of a reach, doesn't it?

Local could go either way for me. It could've been an honest read to cover himself (sounds kinda likely based on what you guys are saying about how he doesn't like to lie) or a fake read to cover a nearly lynched wolf. Do you think the wolves pressured him to lie?

If Raposuh is likely innocent, then we would have to think Alu is likely guilty. I really don't know at this point. I can't group 5-6 people together to make sense of who might be in cahoots.

 

[Jon]

I get your hesitation, but here's the deal. It is 11 pm ET. The phase ends in 12 hours. Most people are US, with a lot of east coast or central time zone, so they will likely be asleep for 5-7 hours of that time. There isn't much time left to delay and wait and see. If Tommy wanted to prove his innocence, he would've been posting. He has admitted in the past that he hates lying and isn't good as a wolf player.

I understand your side. I am EST and I work from home starting at 9, I'll be awake. But if you REALLY want me to ensure there is a vote in... fine. But again, should he show at the 11th hour and I see it, and I find it credible, I will drop the vote.

I vote Tommy Boy for lynch.

 

[Kat]

I am willing to, of that I promise. But I would LIKE to hear what he has to say for himself. If it REALLY makes a difference for me to slap a vote on him before I've heard his side, I will reluctantly do so. But I will reserve my right to pull that vote back if I find his defense credible.

Why reluctant? There's no penalty for changing your vote.

 

[Benzine]

That was in response to Tubby saying not actively participating in the planning makes me sus

Ta. Yeah, Tubby is dumb as a bag of rocks.

Low quality rocks too.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Would that make Alu guilty, or do we believe the shaman defense? Seems like a bit of a reach, doesn't it?

Local could go either way for me. It could've been an honest read to cover himself (sounds kinda likely based on what you guys are saying about how he doesn't like to lie) or a fake read to cover a nearly lynched wolf. Do you think the wolves pressured him to lie?

There's a reason I think it's more likely Raposa is guilty than I do Tommy. I feel it's not very likely that both Raposa and a Shaman that might not even exist got me in the same night (that kut also apparently targeted me in).