VTS Mafia The Morgue (Year 2)

[TD]

I take it that it's not over. I just watch you guys reacting to the game.

Correct.
3 town, 2 mafia, and bomber.
Zell just claimed bomber and is trying to get them to vote off Tubby.

 

[Benzine]

Why would Tubby want to kill himself

 

[Benzine]

Why would Tubby want to kill himself

I mean, I could tell him why, but why would he think it's a good idea @Tubby23

 

[Jon]

So how accurate was I with my last player list?

Honestly, it was more Tubby that connived me into suicide because at the point that it was him removed from the jury I felt I had lost canadaguy's support. So, I figured outing myself was the only way forward for them to go after Tubby.

I'm glad to see TD had me pegged from day one. I caught the really fucking shit end of the stick with that con.

 

[Local Hero]

So how accurate was I with my last player list?

Honestly, it was more Tubby that connived me into suicide because at the point that it was him removed from the jury I felt I had lost canadaguy's support. So, I figured outing myself was the only way forward for them to go after Tubby.

I'm glad to see TD had me pegged from day one. I caught the really fucking shit end of the stick with that con.

Exactly accurate

 

[Kat]

So how accurate was I with my last player list?

I agree with it.

 

[Benzine]

So how accurate was I with my last player list?

0/4

 

[TD]

So how accurate was I with my last player list?

From my perspective you were spot on.

 

[TD]

TUBBY OVER 30.

 

[Local Hero]

TUBBY OVER 30.

Kind of a weak response though.

 

[TD]

Kind of a weak response though.

Yes but the point is he broke the seal so he can elaborate.

 

[Jon]

Why was it so hard to convince kut and canadaguy I was innocent? Was having a con man that unbelievable?

I mean I only talked about it daily in a way that was just short of screaming "YOU GUYS! THIS OBVIOUS TELL I HAVE IS ANNOYING AF! I WAS CONNED SO THERE IS A CON MAN IN THIS GAME!"

With Vash's explanation of roles, I was under the impression the con man could con more than one person and I had NO IDEA they could choose to not kill. Zell really should have let me live if he wanted a shot at the bomber. I assume he killed me because then it would have put doubt on me instead of Tubby.

 

[Kat]

Why was it so hard to convince kut and canadaguy I was innocent? Was having a con man that unbelievable?

I mean I only talked about it daily in a way that was just short of screaming "YOU GUYS! THIS OBVIOUS TELL I HAVE IS ANNOYING AF! I WAS CONNED SO THERE IS A CON MAN IN THIS GAME!"

We commented on that soooo many times. Fool claims peeping tom, sure, why not. Tubby claims patsy, sure, why not. You hint at being conned the entire game, and nobody believes it.

 

[Local Hero]

Why was it so hard to convince kut and canadaguy I was innocent? Was having a con man that unbelievable?

I mean I only talked about it daily in a way that was just short of screaming "YOU GUYS! THIS OBVIOUS TELL I HAVE IS ANNOYING AF! I WAS CONNED SO THERE IS A CON MAN IN THIS GAME!"

With Vash's explanation of roles, I was under the impression the con man could con more than one person and I had NO IDEA they could choose to not kill. Zell really should have let me live if he wanted a shot at the bomber. I assume he killed me because then it would have put doubt on me instead of Tubby.

I mean, I thought I was obviously innocent, but Alu killed me.

I thought you were guilty because you didn't come out and say you were on bed ahead of time or try any role claim (whilst I was alive)

 

[TD]

Why was it so hard to convince kut and canadaguy I was innocent? Was having a con man that unbelievable?

I mean I only talked about it daily in a way that was just short of screaming "YOU GUYS! THIS OBVIOUS TELL I HAVE IS ANNOYING AF! I WAS CONNED SO THERE IS A CON MAN IN THIS GAME!"

The dead thread was screaming at them too.
You did great for what it's worth.

 

[Jon]

Now that I think about it, keeping me alive actually almost guaranteeing mafia win assuming Tubby was put on trial. Assuming he was found guilty (and if I RNG'd into the jury he would have), the mafia kill another citizen. Tubby is guilty leaving 2v2 and mafia kill another citizen.

Am I wrong?

 

[Local Hero]

We commented on that soooo many times. Fool claims peeping tom, sure, why not. Tubby claims patsy, sure, why not. You hint at being conned the entire game, and nobody believes it.

I was looking for role hints/claims. My strategy was everyone who was innocent would hint, and a few who were guilty would hint. Once we had too many innocent roll claims then we can narrow it down. But we never even got to the minimum threshold so I was inclined to believe anyone who hinted at a role.

 

[Jon]

I thought you were guilty because you didn't come out and say you were on bed ahead of time or try any role claim (whilst I was alive)

What do you mean on bed? And maybe it's because it was my first one of these games, but I played it as "I can hint about my role subtly uness I'm on trial and then go balls out." So I did hint pretty hard.

 

[TD]

I mean, I thought I was obviously innocent, but Alu killed me.

I thought you were guilty because you didn't come out and say you were on bed ahead of time or try any role claim (whilst I was alive)

I'm selfishly so happy that people are saying this.

Trying to explain what is obvious to you to others is a massive challenge - even for the most experienced players.

Even when I feel like I'm blatantly trying to help I'm in an everlasting state of sus.

 

[Jon]

Even when I feel like I'm blatantly trying to help I'm in an everlasting state of sus.

For what it's worth, after reading your deductive reasonings in this thread (painful when you start at 22 pages to sift through mind you), I will be giving you the benefit of the doubt moving forward.

That said, let fucking go because I want in on another one of these!!!!! Like now!

 

[TD]

Tubby: "Okay if we both think Kelly is mafia, let's put him on trial."

Simple as that.

 

[Benzine]

For what it's worth, after reading your deductive reasonings in this thread (painful when you start at 22 pages to sift through mind you), I will be giving you the benefit of the doubt moving forward.

That said, let fucking go because I want in on another one of these!!!!! Like now!

I'm sure there will be

 

[Kat]

You can make anyone look innocent or guilty if you try hard enough. That's the beauty of these games.

My strategy was everyone who was innocent would hint

Not everyone who is innocent will hint at a role. Imo it's not helpful to the town to hint at a role you can't prove or use to be helpful. It made sense to do what you did with your role, but I get why Jon never strongly hinted.

 

[Local Hero]

What do you mean on bed? And maybe it's because it was my first one of these games, but I played it as "I can hint about my role subtly uness I'm on trial and then go balls out." So I did hint pretty hard.

Typo. I don't even know. I'll look again in a minute haha

 

[Kat]

Tubby: "Okay if we both think Kelly is mafia, let's put him on trial."

Simple as that.

That would be my response, too.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

guys...

inb4 canadaguy is killed at night making the over 30 thing completely irrelevant.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I'm selfishly so happy that people are saying this.

Trying to explain what is obvious to you to others is a massive challenge - even for the most experienced players.

Even when I feel like I'm blatantly trying to help I'm in an everlasting state of sus.

I've run into this twice while I was trying to set up a hedged bet just in case the wrong person was being lynched lol

 

[Jon]

Not everyone who is innocent will hint at a role. Imo it's not helpful to the town to hint at a role you can't prove or use to be helpful. It made sense to do what you did with your role, but I get why Jon never strongly hinted.

Honestly, I was excited to see the foreman role... then I read it and I said "well this is a useless pile of ca ca."

But since I know I can hint harder moving forward, I will. But since this was my first game and I pestered poor @VashTheStampede so much for rules clarifications, I just assumed some things.

 

[Jon]

Honestly, I was excited to see the foreman role... then I read it and I said "well this is a useless pile of ca ca."

And then I was conned before ever getting to post and with that role and having nothing to deflect I felt I was screwed. Honestly surprised I lasted as long as I did.

 

[Kat]

I don't like the strong hinting. The game is boring when all the roles come out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Honestly, I was excited to see the foreman role... then I read it and I said "well this is a useless pile of ca ca."

But since I know I can hint harder moving forward, I will. But since this was my first game and I pestered poor @VashTheStampede so much for rules clarifications, I just assumed some things.

Yeah, Foreman is not a particularly powerful role by any means.

I am of the opinion that having just "blank" citizen roles is bad for engagement, so I did purposely make some weaker roles to go along with the powerful ones that might be at least situationally useful.

 

[Kat]

And then I was conned before ever getting to post and with that role and having nothing to deflect I felt I was screwed. Honestly surprised I lasted as long as I did.

It took a surprisingly long time for anyone to even notice your tell!

 

[Jon]

Oh shit, Kut making the worst choice....

Lets see how Zell pulls a rabbit out of the hat here.

 

[Joseph Snapple]

the best thing i could have ever learned is that playing wolf a lot does not actually make people good at it, at least on the townie end

 

[Jon]

Yeah, Foreman is not a particularly powerful role by any means.

I am of the opinion that having just "blank" citizen roles is bad for engagement, so I did purposely make some weaker roles to go along with the powerful ones that might be at least situationally useful.

**Watches roles like Snitch, Judge and Bailiff have fun.**

**Sits on 1 of 3 juries as Foreman**

It took a surprisingly long time for anyone to even notice your tell!

I'm shocked... but not a lot of people knew me like Vash. He knew I was fucked from the word go lol.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Omg The City might prevail

 

[Kat]

Honestly I would've given up on your tell within five posts. I'm on a phone and it automatically adds punctuation. It'd be a nightmare to remove it all and I'd surely miss some

 

[TD]

Holy shit shortkut did the thing.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[TD]

So uh..
I guess Zell's move backfired eh?

 

[VashTheStampede]

So uh..
I guess Zell's move backfired eh?

Fuckin psychos, man

 

[Local Hero]

Omg The City might prevail

Zell did the math for them

 

[Kat]

So if Kelly is on trial, then the Mafia loses, because surely the bomber will take out the other one during the day, right? And if Zell kills Tubby to prevent that, then he can't kill all the citizens before he's killed. So basically it's up to Zell who wins.

Who do you think he'll give it to?

 

[TD]

Fuckin psychos, man

They're fun to watch but it never works out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Zell did the math for them

NEVER DO THE MATH

 

[Local Hero]

Honestly I would've given up on your tell within five posts. I'm on a phone and it automatically adds punctuation. It'd be a nightmare to remove it all and I'd surely miss some

Voice to text for everything would be my solution

 

[Local Hero]

NEVER DO THE MATH

Man, Matt screwed Kelly again!

 

[TD]

So if Kelly is on trial, then the Mafia loses, because surely the bomber will take out the other one during the day, right? And if Zell kills Tubby to prevent that, then he can't kill all the citizens before he's killed. So basically it's up to Zell who wins.

Who do you think he'll give it to?

Well I mean Tubby did blow up two of his teammates.

 

[Jon]

Honestly I would've given up on your tell within five posts. I'm on a phone and it automatically adds punctuation. It'd be a nightmare to remove it all and I'd surely miss some

I was on my PC for 80%. Tonight I was on my phone for the other 20% and it was fucking torture.

In complete honesty... the VERY first comma I made was a phone autocorrect accident... then I gave up trying to convince people and edited to say it was my suicide note. Then canadaguy told me to out myself and I said phuck it lol

 

[Jon]

OH! @VashTheStampede future tell! Can't use "f" must use "ph"