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I don't think I had any strong opinions on Local at the time. In fact, whilst I had agreed to be the target of the fake read, I had absolutely no idea exactly how you were going to do it.Back in time a bit. Dimmerwit was there as the willing sacrifice lol. When we chose to sell him out and picked Local as the other candidate, we were still believing him being a bodyguard. Lynching him would be the best way for us to get rid of him and not worry about protections. We, or at least I, were leaning Vash being the solo still at the time. I really wished the solo pacifist to be true.
Wasn't your screen name Jawni at one point?That's a fun game I play with my real name IRL all the time! If you thought "Jawneh" might be a bit confusing, how about "Joni" before and after knowing I'm Finnish.
I think originally it was more "Yawn-eh", but I grew more attached to "John-eh". In the case of this or my real name, I do not care how people pronounce it as long as I know you're referring to me.![]()
Apparently we've both been wolves or solos the same amount. Not including the games you hosted. Then I'd be up by 1 wolf game.you make it easier by being a wolf a lot
I was claiming spirit seer from day 1 lol. You should at least know this!I don't think I had any strong opinions on Local at the time. In fact, whilst I had agreed to be the target of the fake read, I had absolutely no idea exactly how you were going to do it.
Maybe? I've had Joni, Jawni, JawniHawni, and Jawneh as my names on forums, games, sites, etc. for forever now.Wasn't your screen name Jawni at one point?
wow, i'd have guessed you'd been a wee bit more. are we near the top?Apparently we've both been wolves or solos the same amount. Not including the games you hosted. Then I'd be up by 1 wolf game.
I meant as in who you would pair me with. You could have even gone ballsy and just put me red as a single read.I was claiming spirit seer from day 1 lol. You should at least know this!![]()
I'm not sure. I just quickly counted them from dimmerwits spreadsheet. Gimme a sec. I'm curious too.wow, i'd have guessed you'd been a wee bit more. are we near the top?
Nah. It had to be you with someone else in case they lynched the other person. I did mention a few times after you were watered that Local could still be red also, but didn't push it as it's less likely for me to grab two wolves than just one.I meant as in who you would pair me with. You could have even gone ballsy and just put me red as a single read.
yeah, I never get to be wolf.wow at vash and fools
Jeez I am wolf a lot.Who's a good puppy? Oh yes all these folks are!
kelly 7
kut 7
local 6
alu 6
benzine 4
tommy 4
jawneh 4
td 4
gwj 4
jon 4
ben 3
kat 3
dean 3
vash 2
dimmer 2
raposuh 2
raine 2
tubby 2
xina 1
fools 1
cole 1
holly 1
ants 1
fq 1
killface 1
rk 1
flame 1
i've always said he's a sub-standard playerAlso Alu being wolf 6 times without a wolf win is also kind of nuts.
That's a great idea.Oh yeah! There's this too.
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That's the thing about "weak roles" though. They tend to disproportionately survive until the endgame, where they get to make hard decisions!Meh, there are lots of roles without much to do. I splashed once and didn't use my role the entire rest of the game.
I get what you're saying though. Cupid is more fun for players who like to focus on strategy and deception. If you want to use your role abilities, it's not a fun role.
And yet everyone always thinks I'm sus lolwow at vash and fools
Post #666 of the threadThat's a great idea.
I should point out I've only played like... 8 games of Zell wolf. Maybe 9.Who's a good puppy? Oh yes all these folks are!
kelly 7
kut 7
local 6
alu 6
benzine 4
tommy 4
jawneh 4
td 4
gwj 4
jon 4
ben 3
kat 3
dean 3
vash 2
dimmer 2
raposuh 2
raine 2
tubby 2
xina 1
fools 1
cole 1
holly 1
ants 1
fq 1
killface 1
rk 1
flame 1
Funniest thing I've seen Kevin Hart do was watch tennis high.So, I decided I'm too tired to do anything important tonight, so I put on the roast of Tom Brady and I quickly came to a confirmation of what I always thought....
Kevin Hart is not funny in the fucking least.
Funniest thing I've seen Kevin Hart do was watch tennis high.
So nothing that involved him talking.
True fact, I was born at 6 am on June 6th.Post #666 of the thread
I cannot confirm.You sure he was high and not just himself? Stupid?
Who's a good puppy? Oh yes all these folks are!
kelly 7
kut 7
local 6
alu 6
benzine 4
tommy 4
jawneh 4
td 4
gwj 4
jon 4
ben 3
kat 3
dean 3
vash 2
dimmer 2
raposuh 2
raine 2
tubby 2
xina 1
fools 1
cole 1
holly 1
ants 1
fq 1
killface 1
rk 1
flame 1
have you never been a wolf?!
I assumed those didn't count. I was Mafia in Vash's second mafia game which was technically the last time I played on the bad guy team (not including Solo roles).I think he was wolf-equivalent in @Tubby23 ’s game
Re: p3: Why wouldn't they jail SK? I was a known wolf and Jawneh and Local weren't. Jail either of them with me and it's possible we break out. So, the only logical thing would have been to keep me alive one more night and again we're back to the same situation as the day before: 2W v 2T v 1SKWouldn't have needed to come to his aid though. Had there been a tie on the day you were lynched instead, by virtue of the shadow once again, Benzine needs to jail.
Jail the SK, wolves kill a townie and then force the town to pick who wins
Not jailed, SK kills everyone but one wolf and hopes that one wolf isn't jailed. If a wolf isn't jailed, at worst it's 2 town, 1 wolf, and 1 SK.
Vote gets tied again unless the town chooses who wins early.
Oh hey, I just found a legit reason to hate him;You sure he was high and not just himself? Stupid?
Immediately top of all sus lists.
That's the thing about "weak roles" though. They tend to disproportionately survive until the endgame, where they get to make hard decisions!
If townie + evil were paired, Cupid does?
He'd definitely become more of a true "wildcard" for sure.What if Cupid's allegiance changed depending on who was paired?
If evils were paired, can win with the evils
If townies were paired, can win with the townies
If townie + evil were paired, Cupid does?
Maybe a bit more balanced
The only situation for the town to have possibly won for of a tie has been forced in the day you were lynched would be for Benzine to jail me and Kat and for the SK and wolves to kill everyone else. The protection would save me and Kat and make it 2-1 the last day.Re: p3: Why wouldn't they jail SK? I was a known wolf and Jawneh and Local weren't. Jail either of them with me and it's possible we break out. So, the only logical thing would have been to keep me alive one more night and again we're back to the same situation as the day before: 2W v 2T v 1SK
Every situation you described results in town picking a victor between wolves and SK, like I had been saying.
For this to work out the way you're describing, you're assuming Benzine to make illogical decisions.
It’s not a logical play though, because you still don’t know what the last wolf is or what solo Local is. If local is the arsonist, this strategy loses. If the last Wolf is an Alpha or Wolf Avenger it loses too. You kinda have to play the percentages. The only way the strategy the town used loses is if the last wolf is a Shadow.The only situation for the town to have possibly won for of a tie has been forced in the day you were lynched would be for Benzine to jail me and Kat and for the SK and wolves to kill everyone else. The protection would save me and Kat and make it 2-1 the last day.
THAT would have been the logical play for the town.
I didn't list that out because I was listing ways for the SK to win. The only counter to the protection saving the town is for one wolf to not be killed by the SK.
Huh?It’s not a logical play though, because you still don’t know what the last wolf is or what solo Local is. If local is the arsonist, this strategy loses. If the last Wolf is an Alpha or Wolf Avenger it loses too. You kinda have to play the percentages. The only way the strategy the town used loses is if the last wolf is a Shadow.
Yeah if Jawneh shadowed the only way to win would be to jail the two townpeople and hope Local tries to stab everyone. He had enough banked to think he would win the game.Huh?
I'm talking a different scenario because Kelly kept harping on Local's choice of allying with the town earlier being a 0% odds to win play. Any scenario where local could win is all I'm trying to point out. It doesn't matter what's the most logical or not.
Also... If we had stayed on Jawneh and he did the shadow then it would have been 4 wolf votes to 4 non wolf votes and forced a tie and Benzine couldn't jail all the bad people. He was getting killed that night no matter what and then the town would have been outnumbered if it was only him.
How could there have been a town win in the scenario other than by it being an SK and everyone else dying?
Yeah that was my point there. And if local caught on to that he could leave a single wolf alive to make it 2-1-1. Then the town would need to choose who would win. That's the only counter play there.Yeah if Jawneh shadowed the only way to win would be to jail the two townpeople and hope Local tries to stab everyone. He had enough banked to think he would win the game.
I see what you mean about that point now. I think I misunderstood what you were saying at first, but we're on the same page. There's no reason the SK should try to kill everyone at once if there's only one wolf left and a jailer type.Yeah that was my point there. And if local caught on to that he could leave a single wolf alive to make it 2-1-1. Then the town would need to choose who would win. That's the only counter play there.
The problem though is that this scenario that played out the way it did was the only one that allowed for the possibility of a town win. If the SK joined us in lynching a townie either of those days, the path for a town win would've been impossible. You pointed out it didn't make sense to join us on the shadow vote, which is fair. The non-shadow day didn't make sense to me initially, but now that Local explained his reasoning, it's also fair. It was a gamble.I'm talking a different scenario because Kelly kept harping on Local's choice of allying with the town earlier being a 0% odds to win play. Any scenario where local could win is all I'm trying to point out. It doesn't matter what's the most logical or not.