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Back in time a bit. Dimmerwit was there as the willing sacrifice lol. When we chose to sell him out and picked Local as the other candidate, we were still believing him being a bodyguard. Lynching him would be the best way for us to get rid of him and not worry about protections. We, or at least I, were leaning Vash being the solo still at the time. I really wished the solo pacifist to be true.
I don't think I had any strong opinions on Local at the time. In fact, whilst I had agreed to be the target of the fake read, I had absolutely no idea exactly how you were going to do it.

I stepped up because I had the weakest claim by that point. Obviously it would have been better if @Kat had splashed someone else, but I was never really convinced that I would live the day.

Also @Smacktard that idea is great. We should have used that earlier.
 
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That's a fun game I play with my real name IRL all the time! If you thought "Jawneh" might be a bit confusing, how about "Joni" before and after knowing I'm Finnish.

I think originally it was more "Yawn-eh", but I grew more attached to "John-eh". In the case of this or my real name, I do not care how people pronounce it as long as I know you're referring to me. :D
Wasn't your screen name Jawni at one point?
 

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I don't think I had any strong opinions on Local at the time. In fact, whilst I had agreed to be the target of the fake read, I had absolutely no idea exactly how you were going to do it.
I was claiming spirit seer from day 1 lol. You should at least know this! :facepalm

Wasn't your screen name Jawni at one point?
Maybe? I've had Joni, Jawni, JawniHawni, and Jawneh as my names on forums, games, sites, etc. for forever now.
 

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wow, i'd have guessed you'd been a wee bit more. are we near the top?
I'm not sure. I just quickly counted them from dimmerwits spreadsheet. Gimme a sec. I'm curious too.

I meant as in who you would pair me with. You could have even gone ballsy and just put me red as a single read.
Nah. It had to be you with someone else in case they lynched the other person. I did mention a few times after you were watered that Local could still be red also, but didn't push it as it's less likely for me to grab two wolves than just one.

Local had claimed being a bodyguard. As one he'd be able to block our kills on targets like Benzine or anyone else later when we figured out what we wanted to do. Takes out a lot of guess work too when there's less protections.
 
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kelly 7
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local 6
alu 6
benzine 4
tommy 4
jawneh 4
td 4
gwj 4
jon 4
ben 3
kat 3
dean 3
vash 2
dimmer 2
raposuh 2
raine 2
tubby 2
xina 1
fools 1
cole 1
holly 1
ants 1
fq 1
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Jeez I am wolf a lot.

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Meh, there are lots of roles without much to do. I splashed once and didn't use my role the entire rest of the game.

I get what you're saying though. Cupid is more fun for players who like to focus on strategy and deception. If you want to use your role abilities, it's not a fun role.
That's the thing about "weak roles" though. They tend to disproportionately survive until the endgame, where they get to make hard decisions!
 
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Who's a good puppy? Oh yes all these folks are!

kelly 7
kut 7
local 6
alu 6
benzine 4
tommy 4
jawneh 4
td 4
gwj 4
jon 4
ben 3
kat 3
dean 3
vash 2
dimmer 2
raposuh 2
raine 2
tubby 2
xina 1
fools 1
cole 1
holly 1
ants 1
fq 1
killface 1
rk 1
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I should point out I've only played like... 8 games of Zell wolf. Maybe 9.
 

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So, I decided I'm too tired to do anything important tonight, so I put on the roast of Tom Brady and I quickly came to a confirmation of what I always thought....

Kevin Hart is not funny in the fucking least.
Funniest thing I've seen Kevin Hart do was watch tennis high.

So nothing that involved him talking.

 

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Who's a good puppy? Oh yes all these folks are!

kelly 7
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jon 4
ben 3
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fools 1
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Wouldn't have needed to come to his aid though. Had there been a tie on the day you were lynched instead, by virtue of the shadow once again, Benzine needs to jail.

Jail the SK, wolves kill a townie and then force the town to pick who wins

Not jailed, SK kills everyone but one wolf and hopes that one wolf isn't jailed. If a wolf isn't jailed, at worst it's 2 town, 1 wolf, and 1 SK.

Vote gets tied again unless the town chooses who wins early.
Re: p3: Why wouldn't they jail SK? I was a known wolf and Jawneh and Local weren't. Jail either of them with me and it's possible we break out. So, the only logical thing would have been to keep me alive one more night and again we're back to the same situation as the day before: 2W v 2T v 1SK

Every situation you described results in town picking a victor between wolves and SK, like I had been saying.

For this to work out the way you're describing, you're assuming Benzine to make illogical decisions.
 

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You sure he was high and not just himself? Stupid?
Oh hey, I just found a legit reason to hate him;
 
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What if Cupid's allegiance changed depending on who was paired?

If evils were paired, can win with the evils
If townies were paired, can win with the townies
If townie + evil were paired, Cupid does?
Maybe a bit more balanced
He'd definitely become more of a true "wildcard" for sure.

I do like the idea a lot.

You'd have three tiers for it, with higher tier taking priority.

If solo killer is coupled, lives and dies with the solo.
If at least one wolf is coupled, can only win with wolves after couple dies.
If both townies, can win with town if couple dies.

This way it gives the cupid more reason to try to figure out the roles of the couple, or do some signaling so that they can help.
 

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Re: p3: Why wouldn't they jail SK? I was a known wolf and Jawneh and Local weren't. Jail either of them with me and it's possible we break out. So, the only logical thing would have been to keep me alive one more night and again we're back to the same situation as the day before: 2W v 2T v 1SK

Every situation you described results in town picking a victor between wolves and SK, like I had been saying.

For this to work out the way you're describing, you're assuming Benzine to make illogical decisions.
The only situation for the town to have possibly won for of a tie has been forced in the day you were lynched would be for Benzine to jail me and Kat and for the SK and wolves to kill everyone else. The protection would save me and Kat and make it 2-1 the last day.

THAT would have been the logical play for the town.

I didn't list that out because I was listing ways for the SK to win. The only counter to the protection saving the town is for one wolf to not be killed by the SK.
 
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The only situation for the town to have possibly won for of a tie has been forced in the day you were lynched would be for Benzine to jail me and Kat and for the SK and wolves to kill everyone else. The protection would save me and Kat and make it 2-1 the last day.

THAT would have been the logical play for the town.

I didn't list that out because I was listing ways for the SK to win. The only counter to the protection saving the town is for one wolf to not be killed by the SK.
It’s not a logical play though, because you still don’t know what the last wolf is or what solo Local is. If local is the arsonist, this strategy loses. If the last Wolf is an Alpha or Wolf Avenger it loses too. You kinda have to play the percentages. The only way the strategy the town used loses is if the last wolf is a Shadow.
 

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It’s not a logical play though, because you still don’t know what the last wolf is or what solo Local is. If local is the arsonist, this strategy loses. If the last Wolf is an Alpha or Wolf Avenger it loses too. You kinda have to play the percentages. The only way the strategy the town used loses is if the last wolf is a Shadow.
Huh?

I'm talking a different scenario because Kelly kept harping on Local's choice of allying with the town earlier being a 0% odds to win play. Any scenario where local could win is all I'm trying to point out. It doesn't matter what's the most logical or not.



Also... If we had stayed on Jawneh and he did the shadow then it would have been 4 wolf votes to 4 non wolf votes and forced a tie and Benzine couldn't jail all the bad people. He was getting killed that night no matter what and then the town would have been outnumbered if it was only him.

How could there have been a town win in the scenario other than by it being an SK and everyone else dying?
 
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Huh?

I'm talking a different scenario because Kelly kept harping on Local's choice of allying with the town earlier being a 0% odds to win play. Any scenario where local could win is all I'm trying to point out. It doesn't matter what's the most logical or not.



Also... If we had stayed on Jawneh and he did the shadow then it would have been 4 wolf votes to 4 non wolf votes and forced a tie and Benzine couldn't jail all the bad people. He was getting killed that night no matter what and then the town would have been outnumbered if it was only him.

How could there have been a town win in the scenario other than by it being an SK and everyone else dying?
Yeah if Jawneh shadowed the only way to win would be to jail the two townpeople and hope Local tries to stab everyone. He had enough banked to think he would win the game.
 

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Yeah if Jawneh shadowed the only way to win would be to jail the two townpeople and hope Local tries to stab everyone. He had enough banked to think he would win the game.
Yeah that was my point there. And if local caught on to that he could leave a single wolf alive to make it 2-1-1. Then the town would need to choose who would win. That's the only counter play there.
 

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Yeah that was my point there. And if local caught on to that he could leave a single wolf alive to make it 2-1-1. Then the town would need to choose who would win. That's the only counter play there.
I see what you mean about that point now. I think I misunderstood what you were saying at first, but we're on the same page. There's no reason the SK should try to kill everyone at once if there's only one wolf left and a jailer type.

I'm talking a different scenario because Kelly kept harping on Local's choice of allying with the town earlier being a 0% odds to win play. Any scenario where local could win is all I'm trying to point out. It doesn't matter what's the most logical or not.
The problem though is that this scenario that played out the way it did was the only one that allowed for the possibility of a town win. If the SK joined us in lynching a townie either of those days, the path for a town win would've been impossible. You pointed out it didn't make sense to join us on the shadow vote, which is fair. The non-shadow day didn't make sense to me initially, but now that Local explained his reasoning, it's also fair. It was a gamble.

I could say "Jawneh should've switched his vote first to encourage Local to join", but it didn't matter. Jawneh made a better call and saw it more clearly than I did in the end.
 
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