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Zell Wolf Zell 19 Wolf Day 3

Who should the villagers lynch? (4 votes required)

  • dimmerwit

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Fool's Requiem

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jon

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kat

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Local Hero

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tommy Boy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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The day will open at 9am ET.

Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

@A Brisk Walk
@Benzine
@canadaguy
@dimmerwit
@Fool's Requiem
@GwJumpman
@Jawneh
@Jon
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Quagmire
@rktaker
@shortkut

@Smacktard
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede

And here are the roles:

Village team:
3x Random Strong Villagers
7x Random Regular Villagers

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
4x Random Wolves

The werewolves can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
1x Random Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The ritualist will have access to this forum at night. If you are revived by the ritualist, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).
 
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thats... a lot of death

I asked Zell if a non-wolf can be saved by the Guardian Wolf, and he confirmed they could. I don't know if a Guardian Wolf wasting their ability on a townie would be a good idea, so I'm assuming a Flower Child saved me. Honestly kinda thought it was Benzine.

I don't have any other solid info from last night. Clears are kinda harder to validate over bad guy confirmations. I can verify that Kelly is at least NOT the Serial Killer.

I assume that the wolves attacked someone who was already killed by the SK or someone who was protected.
 
thats... a lot of death

I asked Zell if a non-wolf can be saved by the Guardian Wolf, and he confirmed they could. I don't know if a Guardian Wolf wasting their ability on a townie would be a good idea, so I'm assuming a Flower Child saved me. Honestly kinda thought it was Benzine.

I don't have any other solid info from last night. Clears are kinda harder to validate over bad guy confirmations. I can verify that Kelly is at least NOT the Serial Killer.

I assume that the wolves attacked someone who was already killed by the SK or someone who was protected.
why would a flower child do that knowing that we needed to lynch someone yesterday, without knowing what you are?
 
why would a Guardian Wolf save a townie?

Alu was just confirmed a Wolf, just like I said he was.

I voted Tommy.
I just asked a question and you’re already voting me after admitting you didn’t have info? You could easily have decided to sacrifice Alu to protect yourself, could be anything. I was just asking why someone in the town would use their one flower when they could have just proven why we should go with Alu. I voted with Local because I trusted his judgement. Had there been anyone who had serious reservations with that, I don’t know why we just didn’t talk about it more instead of wasting a lynch only to be overruled by another townie. It goes against what we were doing yesterday to catch up. If you want to see that as me being guilty, I think thats the easy way out. I’m more or less wondering more about the flower child than you.
 
The last strong townie can only be a Detective or Bully. I'm assuming Detective because no one complained about being hit by a rock. I feel like if we had a second Gunner, someone would have been shot yesterday.


I just asked a question and you’re already voting me after admitting you didn’t have info?
tbf, I voted you before you posted
 
I'll wait for people who hopefully have information to check in, but for now I'd like to bring up @Smacktard's claim of an unknown Aura on Jon. If this is true with the confirmation of all three strong villagers the likelihood of him being a solo has shot up, although there are still a few regular villager roles with unknown auras as well as the Alpha Wolf.
 
It is such a common tactic for the wolves to "sacrifice" their own to get a trustworthy wolf. Usually someone smart says that there's no need to do it or that it's too risky or something.

Fool as a wolf offering up Alu to gain trust makes sense here. Guardian delays the vote, then whenever Alu actually dies, they still get an avenger kill.

Just so happens it was Fool who was voted for. Of course they would save the wolf because they still need to delay and keep as many wolves alive for as long as possible.

It makes no sense for the wolves to save a townie, because a townie lynch is a good thing for the wolves.


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It is such a common tactic for the wolves to "sacrifice" their own to get a trustworthy wolf. Usually someone smart says that there's no need to do it or that it's too risky or something.

Fool as a wolf offering up Alu to gain trust makes sense here. Guardian delays the vote, then whenever Alu actually dies, they still get an avenger kill.

Just so happens it was Fool who was voted for. Of course they would save the wolf because they still need to delay and keep as many wolves alive for as long as possible.

It makes no sense for the wolves to save a townie, because a townie lynch is a good thing for the wolves.


Voting Fools
This sounds like the most logical explanation. Fool turned out not to be the Fool OR the Headhunter, and he was caught lying bad about his role. Sounds like the whole Alu/FR thing was just fake wolf drama.
 

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both of you are ridiculous

I voted Alu in BOTH days and tried to get Alu lynched in the second day from the beginning after stating he was bad and got it confirmed at night.

Voting Kelly, because Local is obviously a misguided townie, but Kelly has no defense.
1. You cottoned on to shortkut's joke about voting Alu and then wouldn't drop it.
2. You got caught blatantly lying about your role
3. I was the fifth vote for Alu yesterday until you messed up your roll info

If you're not a wolf, you're still definitely not town, and we can't afford to lose any more townies to the SK.
 
Town:
- Quagmire - Conjurer
- Local - Gunner (and dum dum)
- Benzine - Jailer
- shortkut - Sheriff
- canadaguy - Loudmouth
- Jawneh - Farmer
- Me - See deez
- ??? - Flower child???
- ???
- ???


Wolves:
- Alu - Wolf Avenger
- rk - Shadow Wolf
- ??? - Guardian???
- ???

SK:
- Unknown - Serial Killer (Not Kelly, not Kat)

SV:
- Vash - Jester

- Jon was waaaaay to defensive about being called out as having unknown aura, but that doesn't mean he's not a townie.
- Kelly claimed to know Jon's aura was "unknown". Claimed Jawneh came back good. Claimed to seer CG night 1.
- Both dimmerwit and Kelly came back as clear, but my role's clears are unreliable. At the very least, Kelly CANNOT be the SK.
- Kat can't be the SK either because she has not been active since Friday evening when the last day phase was happening.
- We either have a Flower Child or Guardian Wolf. Kat is extremely unlikely to be either of those.
- Jon was online recent enough to be able to conduct night actions. Everyone else besides Kat was online recent enough.

I think Kelly is a wolf. Anyone else is a total toss up. dimmerwit can't be a wolf unless he's a Blind Wolf or Wolf Seer. dimmerwit voted Alu with me and Benzine on day 2. Jon voted Kelly day 2. Tommy voted Tommy day 1 (basically a no vote). Kelly voted Jon day 1.


Jawneh is good.
Convenient. Voting Kelly again. Wish there were more people active here...
 
Fools, you can say that Kelly's reads have been "convenient". Do you know what's even more "convenient"?

Getting saved from a lynch with no flower child coming forward and taking credit.

Even if you are an evil role, a flower child saying "I think Fools is innocent and I saved him" would be wise, other wise their silence would lead the town to believe you are indeed a wolf and was saved by a guardian wolf. Their silence would almost guarantee waste their power.

Conversely, if a wolf came forward as a flower child, and either one of you or the last wolf was revealed, easy peasy, we know the wolves.
 
I think Tommy already explained the possibility of a Guardian Wolf saving me to basically accomplish what a no vote would have accomplished, but Benzine offing Alu kinda made that decision moot.

Neither the Flower Child nor Guardian Wolf would claim that they saved me after Alu's death. Especially if I end up getting lynched here. Too much risk of being accused of being the Guardian Wolf when my role is revealed at the end of the night.

What would be the benefit of seering you if I already know you're bad and were likely rescued by a guardian wolf?
You're right. Why bother attempting to confirm suspicions... If you claimed I was "unknown" or "evil", and my role gets shown after a lynch, you are lynch target #1 tomorrow, as my aura is "Good". Much easier to say safe by claiming to Seer a dead person who is known good.
 
I think Tommy already explained the possibility of a Guardian Wolf saving me to basically accomplish what a no vote would have accomplished, but Benzine offing Alu kinda made that decision moot.
I disagree with this logic because a townie getting lynched is (almost) always a good thing for the wolves. And in case an actual wolf was about to get lynched, having that power to keep them alive another day (or cause townies to burn their powers) is too valuable to waste
 
I disagree with this logic because a townie getting lynched is (almost) always a good thing for the wolves. And in case an actual wolf was about to get lynched, having that power to keep them alive another day (or cause townies to burn their powers) is too valuable to waste
that's why I kinda dismiss the idea of a Guardian saving me instead of Flower Child. But Tommy did have a solid argument to why a Guardian would have used their ability to save me.

I mean, if the plan was to make me look as sus as possible and delay potential wolf lynches, it's still kinda working. You guys still think I'm bad despite the evidence to the contrary and me getting lynched today means a wolf doesn't get lynched.

The complete lack of activity from the other players is almost guaranteeing no one gets lynched at all today. Which is of no benefit to anyone, even the SK.
 
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