Zell Wolf Zell 19 Wolf Day 2

[Local Hero]

If Alu is innocent, Benzine, Fools, and Smacktard are the other wolves.

 

[A Punched Face]

It may have. Truthfully I don't have a way to prove I'm good aura yet, but I also can't think of a way an Aura Seer wouldn't see me as good (or village team as it were). Unless I'm classified as a role that "lives on the brink of death" which I do not believe I am (I've asked Zell for clarification).

Otherwise, a wolf seer would show my exact role, and he'd know that too.

Either way, unless someone can point out to me how a seer would see a villager/good aura as neutral, Kelly is where my vote belongs. He may not be wolf, but I don't believe he is town at this point either.

I also will not rule out him being the fool and using this to get us to lynch him.

Well there are 10 townie roles that are neutral. But I'm assuming you mean you're not one of them and trying to see if there's another way to get neutral artificially?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Worth pointing out that being of a neutral/unknown aura doesn't mean you're not a townie. There are a lot of townie roles that have "unknown" auras, so getting overly defensive regarding that right now is a little sus.

IF you're a townie with a "good" aura, there's no reason to get weird about it right now. You keep Kelly's claim in your back pocket until you can gather more info and use it later.

 

[dimmerwit]

There are currently the same number of possible neutral town roles as solo roles, plus one Wolf (Alpha).

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If Alu is innocent, Benzine, Fools, and Smacktard are the other wolves.

Why Benzine?

 

[Jon]

Well there are 10 townie roles that are neutral. But I'm assuming you mean you're not one of them and trying to see if there's another way to get neutral artificially?

This is correct. I am simply saying I cannot, personally, see a way for a role that is good aura to be shown as neutral in an aura check. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just I don't know it.

Worth pointing out that being of a neutral/unknown aura doesn't mean you're not a townie. There are a lot of townie roles that have "unknown" auras, so getting overly defensive regarding that right now is a little sus.

IF you're a townie with a "good" aura, there's no reason to get weird about it right now. You keep Kelly's claim in your back pocket until you can gather more info and use it later.

I am aware of this. I am also not being overly defensive. I was simply stating why I was voting for Kelly. Then answering a remark from Alu.

I'm simply not discounting that he could be a solo role as well.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It may have. Truthfully I don't have a way to prove I'm good aura yet, but I also can't think of a way an Aura Seer wouldn't see me as good (or village team as it were). Unless I'm classified as a role that "lives on the brink of death" which I do not believe I am (I've asked Zell for clarification).

Otherwise, a wolf seer would show my exact role, and he'd know that too.

Either way, unless someone can point out to me how a seer would see a villager/good aura as neutral, Kelly is where my vote belongs. He may not be wolf, but I don't believe he is town at this point either.

I also will not rule out him being the fool and using this to get us to lynch him.

I don't rule out you being Cupid matched with someone with a good aura and claiming each other's roles

But I find it unlikely

 

[Jon]

I don't rule out you being Cupid matched with someone with a good aura and claiming each other's roles

But I find it unlikely

Hmm.... I wonder how I'd play in that situation? I'm not Cupided, but it's interesting food for through on how I'd interact if I were.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hmm.... I wonder how I'd play in that situation? I'm not Cupided, but it's interesting food for through on how I'd interact if I were.

Also what about an illusionist?

Seer would read you as Unknown if you were illusioned, I think

 

[VashTheStampede]

Omg Jon could die at any moment

Me too i guess

 

[A Punched Face]

Also what about an illusionist?

Seer would read you as Unknown if you were illusioned, I think

Oh. Well. That would certainly be a way I suppose.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm rooting for an Arso possibility.

 

[Jon]

Also what about an illusionist?

Seer would read you as Unknown if you were illusioned, I think

Given my role, I would know if I was illusioned I think. So I don't THINK this is the case. I also don't see a reason to reveal my role at this point, so piece it together if you want, but I'm not going to confirm or deny right now.

Arsonist is still on the table but wouldn't hide my role.

I think Kelly is either the fool, or perhaps the Headhunter and I'm his target.

 

[A Punched Face]

Yeah looks like the illusionist would be the only way to change the aura to neutral.

 

[A Punched Face]

Given my role, I would know if I was illusioned I think. So I don't THINK this is the case. I also don't see a reason to reveal my role at this point, so piece it together if you want, but I'm not going to confirm or deny right now.

Arsonist is still on the table but wouldn't hide my role.

I think Kelly is either the fool, or perhaps the Headhunter and I'm his target.

Not sure what role that could be. If you're alluding to one of the protector roles that protects themselves I believe Zell pointed out that you wouldn't know about it until the illusionist killed off everyone, rather than when you were illusioned.

Is there actually another role that would allow you to know you've been attacked?

 

[Jon]

Not sure what role that could be. If you're alluding to one of the protector roles that protects themselves I believe Zell pointed out that you wouldn't know about it until the illusionist killed off everyone, rather than when you were illusioned.

Is there actually another role that would allow you to know you've been attacked?

Honestly do not know the answer to either of those. I just am going by role descriptions alone. I'll check with Zell another time to confirm.

But this feels more Occam's Razer to me than some uber ultra meta gaming. I am not ruling Kelly out as the Illusionist, though it makes less sense to me to then call me out as "neutral."

The simplest solution in my mind is he's either the fool or headhunter with me as his target. Otherwise, a wolf trying to implicate me, though I feel that's less likely than the other two.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Given my role, I would know if I was illusioned I think. So I don't THINK this is the case.

wut? Is there even a role that can detect an Illusionist masking?

 

[Jon]

wut? Is there even a role that can detect an Illusionist masking?

As I said with Alu, I'll check with Zell another time. I'm going by role descriptions alone.

 

[VashTheStampede]

For the record I am not saying Kelly  is the illusionist.

i am just saying his "unknown" read can be considered valid, be it from a good or evil seer.

 

[VashTheStampede]

As I said with Alu, I'll check with Zell another time. I'm going by role descriptions alone.

Weird to not want clarification

 

[Jon]

Weird to not want clarification

I want to ask in this chat for all to see rather than private. But asking now reveals my role which I do not want to do at this very moment. That's all.

 

[A Punched Face]

I can see roles that would prevent you from being illusioned, but not alert you of it. So I'll be curious to hear the results.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I can see roles that would prevent you from being illusioned, but not alert you of it. So I'll be curious to hear the results.

Too bad

You'll have to settle for reading them

Most likely

I am aware there are many programs that ruin this stupid dadjoke

 

[Smacktard]

Gonna go ahead and place my vote on Kelly for today. My aura is good, not unknown and a real seer would have seen that, imo.

Just justifying my vote.

Either you're lying or we have an Illusionist at play.

 

[Smacktard]

So I'm seeing now a bunch of people have pointed out the Illusionist thing already, and also the possibility of a Cupid in the mix complicating things. I'm not sure what the most probably theory is, but I don't think Jon would be this defensive if he really were working in the town's interests. I mean damn, it wasn't even an accusation lol.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

This all feels like an attempt to move votes away from Alu. Either to move a vote or two in Jon OR Kelly's way. Purposely look more sus than necessary for something that wasn't an accusation.

 

[Jon]

So I'm seeing now a bunch of people have pointed out the Illusionist thing already, and also the possibility of a Cupid in the mix complicating things. I'm not sure what the most probably theory is, but I don't think Jon would be this defensive if he really were working in the town's interests. I mean damn, it wasn't even an accusation lol.

I'm not being defensive. And you're now the second person to accuse me of being defensive. I was answering questions and even trying to find ways to give you the benefit of the doubt if you reread what I've said. I don't see one and was justifying my thoughts.

I am not trying to start a bandwagon on you. I don't honestly care where others vote. I was simply justifying why I put my vote on you instead of just putting it there and saying nothing.

This, is actually very much how you work n interest of the town, as I'm creating discussion by pointing out anomalies in something said. I have my sus list, just like everyone else. But as usual, because I'm verbal in these games, it makes me a target. And people have learned to try and make me "emotional" to get attention onto me. Fwiw, I'm not emotional right now. I have tried to play defensively and try to convince the town of things. It's never worked in the past.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

all in good fun, Jon

 

[Smacktard]

@Fool's Requiem what's your thoughts on the Jon thing?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Fool's Requiem what's your thoughts on the Jon thing?

He's been too vocal about having someone claim his aura as anything but good. Seems suuuuuper sus, and a good way to syphon votes away from Alu, but I'm not moving my vote.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I think he's being defensive

 

[VashTheStampede]

Even going to far as to send defensive reaction images. It's crazy.

 

[Local Hero]

Not too late to switch away from Alu

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Possibilities if Kelly isn't lying or being given false information due to the Aura Seer being a crummy Seer role:

1. Jon is Headhunter and his target is Kelly.
2. Jon was Cupid' with Alu. I recall a past game where someone getting purposely defensive to keep their lover from being killed as well.
3. Jon has Alu as an Arso target???? This is more of an Amogus thing where you want to keep your Arso targets alive and hope those you don't douse get eliminated instead.
4. Jon is the Fool and is trying to get lynched.
5. Jon is a wolf again, and doesn't want to be the last of two wolves again. (least likely, IMO)

Again, this all hinges on Kelly's information being accurate. Aura Seer results are too easily manipulated. Bell Ringer is much better.

 

[GwJumpman]

What was the case against Alu again? I know there's a lot of votes but I think I missed why he's being voted on.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What was the case against Alu again? I know there's a lot of votes but I think I missed why he's being voted on.

My role told me he was a bad boy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

My role told me he was a bad boy.

I'm feeling Fool's is a wolf getting rid of a solo.

That's my vibe here

 

[A Punched Face]

My role told me he was a bad boy.

Oh I thought you said it was because of shortkut yesterday? I guess I missed when you said it was you. Was that earlier today? I skimmed over the earliest of posts so I may have missed that

Unless this is the first time and I didn't miss anything

 

[A Punched Face]

Oh I see it now. I did miss that. No new news.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Oh I thought you said it was because of shortkut yesterday? I guess I missed when you said it was you. Was that earlier today? I skimmed over the earliest of posts so I may have missed that

Unless this is the first time and I didn't miss anything

Alu is bad. shortkut knew it, and I was able to verify it.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

this is going to be a long day. 8 and a half hours to go.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Then skip, damn

 

[dimmerwit]

Oh I see it now. I did miss that. No new news.

Well you didn't, since last night you knew about it!

 

[Local Hero]

@Alubi, have you made any defense?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Then skip, damn

Skip

 

[VashTheStampede]

Skip

Not loud enough

 

[Fool's Requiem]

SKIP

 

[A Punched Face]

Well you didn't, since last night you knew about it!

Huh? I don't know what mean by this.

 

[dimmerwit]

Zell Wolf - Zell 19 Wolf Day 2

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[A Punched Face]

@Alubi, have you made any defense?

Not a baddo. It would be whether or not you believe FR on this. Seems like he's going off kut from yesterday (FR jumped on voting for me after kut did) and then decided to say he verified it today.

Could be head hunter or fool trying to win by getting me lynched or setting himself up to be lynched tomorrow.