Zell Wolf Zell 17 Wolf! - Day 1

[TD]

Let's see what fate has to say about the guilty player

I mean.

I am #8 so that's pretty fucking spot on.

 

[rktaker]

I'm going to assume this game will be played with the utmost seriousness.

Day 1 is always jokes heck last game day 1 was mostly jokes let us have this

 

[TD]

But here for giggles.

The wolves got to choose their 4 roles. So it would likely behoove us to figure out what we are likely dealing with.

Alpha Wolf is a given. They could have 2 depending what Zell allowed.

The other top candidates are probably Shadow Wolf, Guardian Wolf, and Berserk Wolf.

Could potentially see a case for Confusion but they would've used it last night.

Maybe a Wolf Seer if they care about learning roles. Blind Wolf is worthless.

Trickster can be insane but it's fairly niche.

Voodoo, Nightmare, Shaman are all a waste.

Maybe a Wolf Avenger if they're feeling spicy.

In a hypothetical world where I'm the Alpha Wolf, you're dealing with me and 3 Shadow Wolves.

 

[TD]

In terms of Solo Killer roles.

We should watch out for Instigator, that's a danger to the town and the wolves as they are a separate faction. They can cause problems so look for a trio alliance and the wolves should probably keep an eye for someone dishonest.

If I were to guess - it's either the Illusionist or the Arsonist we are dealing with here.

Alchemist is tricky to balance and can overlap with wolf kills, Corruptor is challenging and only really good if someone wants to troll us with muting, Evil Detective is strong but also difficult, and Serial Killer is really just a one kill a night thing on average.

Now to the Wildcard roles.

Fool is one that is pretty easy to keep an eye on and avoid, anyone who seems to be trying to get killed or is comfortable getting lynched.

Headhunter would be an interesting pick and has never won. It's worth noting that they cannot be targeting a Gunner or Priest, so if someone has ruled themself out as such a role, they are more likely to be the target of the Headhunter.

Werewolf Fan is probably the safest of the bunch because you can effectively turn the wolves into a team of 5 instead of a team of 4.

Cupid is the one that we need to be aware of as I'm sure everyone knows, like Instigator - it introduces a third faction and the pair can be anything from a townie/townie, townie/wolf, wolf/wolf, townie/sk, wolf/sk. The latter would be utterly terrifying.

This has been things to watch for in Wolf 17.
I'll be back later.

 

[Local Hero]

@ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt

Making sure you see the thread

 

[shortkut]

It's the perfect cover.

Oh by the way I checked 2 & 10 and it came back red.

Probably a good time to mention that.

 

[A Punched Face]

I checked no one and you're all red

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm going to be very disappointed if no one picked a Speaker of the Dead type role

 

[shortkut]

I’m Cupid because I wanted to bring it back. I’ve been talking about it for a long time now. Zell finally let me do it for this game

 

[Local Hero]

 

[Local Hero]

@Local Hero shoots @TD

 

[TD]

 

[Zell 17]

@Local Hero shoots @TD

Local Hero has shot TD. Local Hero is the Gunner!
TD is dead. TD is Cupid.

 

[Local Hero]

 

[A Punched Face]

Lmao someone actually has a kill shot and used it to take out a non townie on day 1 with no info

 

[Local Hero]

The question is, what kind of devious/dubious pairings did @TD select.

 

[Kat]

TD was voluntarily Cupid?! I wouldn't have guessed that.

 

[Local Hero]

Lmao someone actually has a kill shot and used it to take out a non townie on day 1 with no info

 

[Local Hero]

Okay okay.

The trust meter. This is new. I will update this as I go. Everyone defaults to being trusted until you do something sus.

Player Name	Trusted?	Are they a wolf?
Alu	Yes	?
Ben	Yes	? Couple
Benzine	Yes	? Couple
CAFM	Yes	?
dimmerwit	Yes	?
Fool's Requiem	Dead	No
Jawneh	Dead	No
Kat	Yes	?
Local Hero	Yes	No
rktaker	Yes	?
shortkut	Yes	?
Smacktard	Yes	?
TD	No	No
The Flame	Yes	?
Tommy Boy	Yes	?
VashTheStampede	Yes	?

Fixed TD's-Trusto-Meter™

 

[VashTheStampede]

Local Hero has shot TD. Local Hero is the Gunner!
TD is dead. TD is Cupid.

 

[rktaker]

well we know local hero is good for sure

 

[Local Hero]

To be fair, I could be coupled and killed the Cupid for ultimate lols.

But I don't think couples know who the Cupid is, so probably not.

 

[dimmerwit]

OK that's an actual MVP move right there.

 

[Zell 17]

But I don't think couples know who the Cupid is, so probably not.

I think everyone knows who Cupid is. It's that guying laying over there riddled with bullet holes you monster

 

[A Punched Face]

 

[shortkut]

Okay, I’m not Cupid. I wanted to be cupid

 

[ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt]

I’m seer.

Local is wolf.

 

[ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt]

Wait a second, that’s not how this game works anymore? Well god dammit.

 

[Local Hero]

To all the wolves out there, probably didn't kill me tonight because I'm going to randomly shoot someone tomorrow, which will almost assuredly be a townie.

After all, so far I have a 100% non-wolf shooting track record.

 

[ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt]

See? He’s a wolf

 

[Local Hero]

I'm a secret role. I'm a wolf with a gun.

It's called Wolf Gunner.

Don't blame me, I didn't write the rules

 

[The Flame]

Hey guys I have never played a Zell game but I heard we can get cool badges now so nobody kill me okay?

There's so many roles I'm terrified and confused. Rolling for sussiest player because it worked last time

 

[A Punched Face]

Hey guys I have never played a Zell game but I heard we can get cool badges now so nobody kill me okay?

There's so many roles I'm terrified and confused. Rolling for sussiest player because it worked last time

The dice say @shortkut so they must be right.

 

[ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt]

Shortkut is sussy, but it’s not necessarily because of wolf

 

[shortkut]

Shortkut is sussy, but it’s not necessarily because of wolf

Pretty sure you mean sassy, not sussy

 

[shortkut]

Am I sus?

 

[The Flame]

Not being sus is kinda sus

 

[Kat]

Since TD was Cupid, that means no fool or HH, so we can lynch freely without worrying about ending the game.

It also means no fan or sorcerer, so wolves cannot have a good aura. (Whether anybody chose to be a seer to make this info helpful is another matter.)

I think Cupid also means instigator is not possible.

 

[A Punched Face]

Kat says we can lynch. Vote Kat.

 

[ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt]

Listen, I think we have to work with the information we have right now.

So far we know Local is the gunner, now, will the wolves kill him right away or will they let him blunder about and kill more townspeople? Hard to say, honestly, but he’s the most defined threat to both sides, so I’m not 100% sure how to address it.

Next, I’m going to show my utter inexperience here, but I dont know the results of Cupid being killed is. A quick explainer, if possible?

Beyond that, our knowledge is limited. Some people here are very good at being deceptive and some people are newbies or idiots like me as the former and Ants as the latter (oops, ants isn’t playing…) shortkut’s sassy sussy asside, anybody could be anything.

All that being said, none of it being relevant or sensical, and me having wasted at least 30 seconds of your time, going with my pure amogus instincts here and voting Benzine

 

[Kat]

Next, I’m going to show my utter inexperience here, but I dont know the results of Cupid being killed is. A quick explainer, if possible?

Besides what I said, not much. His couple can still win by killing everybody else, and they can be any two remaining people.

 

[A Punched Face]

Next, I’m going to show my utter inexperience here, but I dont know the results of Cupid being killed is. A quick explainer, if possible?

The result is cupid dead. Just coming along for the ride now.

 

[Local Hero]

@ColoradoAvalancheFanMatt

The two people could be on any teams. TD picked them by name, but that's all he knew.

It could be solo killer and a wolf, solo and townie, wolf and townie, two townies, or two wolves.

Basically, you can't trust anyone to be the actual team they're on, other than possibly me, the Cupid killer.

 

[Benzine]

@Local Hero, just like the name says

 

[Benzine]

Going back to sleep for my Saturday morning nap

 

[Smacktard]

Since TD was Cupid, that means no fool or HH, so we can lynch freely without worrying about ending the game.

It also means no fan or sorcerer, so wolves cannot have a good aura. (Whether anybody chose to be a seer to make this info helpful is another matter.)

I think Cupid also means instigator is not possible.

Wait, what's the logic here? How do we know there's no fan or sorcerer? Those two have nothing to do with RV

 

[dimmerwit]

Next, I’m going to show my utter inexperience here, but I dont know the results of Cupid being killed is. A quick explainer, if possible?

Just to be clear, the main result is what Kat said in that it guarantees there's no Fool, Headhunter or Werewolf Fan.

People are terrified of lynching the Fool because it's an instant lose condition. Likewise lynching the Headhunter's target is an instant lose. So I think people will generally be more willing to lynch, although wary of a potential Cupid couple win if they are still alive when the numbers get low.

I believe that there not being a Werewolf Fan means there can't be more than 4 wolves, although someone smarter should confirm that.

 

[A Punched Face]

Wait, what's the logic here? How do we know there's no fan or sorcerer? Those two have nothing to do with RV

Wildcard Role:
1x Selected Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

Fan is a Wildcard role, much like Cupid. There can only be one Wildcard.


Zell made it clear during the last game that if there's a fan there needs to be a sorcerer and if there's a sorcerer there needs to be a fan. So since the wildcard role was Cupid, there is neither a fan nor a sorcerer.

 

[Smacktard]

Fan is a Wildcard role, much like Cupid. There can only be one Wildcard.


Zell made it clear during the last game that if there's a fan there needs to be a sorcerer and if there's a sorcerer there needs to be a fan. So since the wildcard role was Cupid, there is neither a fan nor a sorcerer.

Ahh, thanks for clarifying. I didn't really follow the last game at all so I didn't know how that worked. I thought wildcard was always RV.

 

[Benzine]

I'm just gonna be 100% perfectly honest with y'all.

I chose Loudmouth cause I thought it would be a funny dumbass thing to pick.

And then after I told Zell my choice I remembered I should have chosen Priest to try and get the fucking Castlevania badge.

I was so fucking upset with myself.

liar, this is wolf talk, vash wouldn't forget the castlevania badge