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A Prime Suspect said:
It was a very sad turn of events for sure. I probably would have not mentioned anything about protecting Vash though. Without that I don't think he comes across as suspicious at all in terms of being cult leader.
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Claiming that you protected the guiltiest looking mother fucker in the game is certainly a choice
 
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Kat said:
Since you can win with your original team, maybe he didn't trust you to keep the secret.
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This.

shortkut said:
But if he dies, I die… case in point… so for my own survival, I need to keep him alive, and hope he doesn’t use me as a suicide bomber
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But before you die, you can reveal me to everyone. If you're a wolf, you can reveal to them. Then, even IF you die, you still win. That part of cult leader should probably be amended to instill more trust among the group. I had none. I apologize for that. Kinda.

TD said:
In Jon's defense, Vash was shot and revealed as cult, a bandwagon formed on him, and everyone skipped - all while he hasn't been online.
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Yeah, but I had a good day with my wife and daughter. We saw Wicked. So I don't care. I'm just sorry it ended up costing Kut too.

shortkut said:
In Jon’s defense, he could have sent me a message at any point, like he did during day 1 when I was converted and he sent a cryptic message
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Again, there was calculated thought to that, even if you don't agree with it.

TD said:
After your double agent play, I'm not sure I can really blame him.
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And this is part of it.

A Prime Suspect said:
It was a very sad turn of events for sure. I probably would have not mentioned anything about protecting Vash though. Without that I don't think he comes across as suspicious at all in terms of being cult leader.
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That was a calculated risk I took to TRY and get some heat off Vash. I knew he was likely wildcard or wolf, so I tried to find a risky way to get heat off him. But dimmerwit killed him and I was away, so it all went to hell in a handbasket because I couldn't defend myself. I will say, it does suck a little having not skipped and not getting a chance to respond at all.

I'm not upset though because those elaborate lies are partly the thing I dislike the most.

shortkut said:
He chose me to be part of the cult. It wasn’t an accident. I wasn’t converted until mid-day phase. If he wanted to stay a secret from me, he should not have chosen me
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I didn't actually choose you. I literally used a random number generator and it came up your number blindly. Can ask Zell, I sent him the screenshot of the RNG. I know now you're a person that likes to know. That's in my back pocket. But telling you means I needed to trust you, and as TD pointed out, your double agent play didn't instill me with the most confident feelings. Because like the DA, you can simply win with the town if they win this. So why protect my secret.

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That feels like going against your new win condition.
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Is it a new win con though? That's where I struggled. Because there is no real loyalty. If the wording was "The converted can only win as the cult" then this plays out a tad differently.

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You shouldn't. You were random. :link

On Vash - You were my first choice night two. For the lolz and irony (because I know you think I wouldn't purposely try to convert or protect you). But, this isn't true. I would on both parts. I tried to protect TD once as doctor even knowing he was a wolf. I protected Jawneh because I wanted him to have a chance to play a game. You seem to be under an impression I don't like you or something. Hell I joked if I ever got a gun I'd attack you without thinking. And yet when I did get a gun, I didn't even consider it because you weren't a baddie that game. I also had no intention on sacrificing anyone unless I was backed into a corner and HAD to kill someone to protect my win con.

On Kut - I know you're a person that would play to your own survival. And I'm sorry you were the night 1 convert and felt I should have told you who I was. And I'm sorry that directly led to me being lynched and you getting killed. None of it was personal. To answer too why I chose Ben's avenger tactic... because it literally would have caused the most havoc when the cult dies. It could have cascaded into a 9 kill moment.

On Benzine - I wish I would have fucking converted you because I really think this turns out way different with your internal strategizing. Fool's really screwed me over, so I don't keel bad he lost his kill. :p

On cult leader - I like the role, but the win con needs to be tweaked for members. It only works with trust, or an ability for the leader to dictate. They can only send one way messages, don't know the cultists roles, and the cultists have no reason to listen to an anonymous leader. Cultists can't voice their opinions, don't have to listen to the leader and don't have to even perform the actions they're asked to. Too much changing and it's just cupid with nightly conversions and a kill possibility. But it's INSANELY slow. Add to that and the cultists legit have zero reason to listen to the leader, and it's a fun role (with potential) but it'll never win.
 
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canadaguy said:
No one ever picks me for the secret teams and it's seriously starting to tick me off
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To be fair, I didn't really get to pick either. Kut was completely random and my "choice" was redirected. You were also dead by the time I had a real choice.

I promise if I'm ever a role like this again, i'll pick you.
 
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Okay so I saw Zells first post and I'm guessing we still don't have a dead talky person, but if one does show up:

After kut died, I switched my target to Ben, but it obviously had failed. That leaves me thinking of three possibilities (and I may have to reread the rules on some of them):

Ben was protected
Ben is a member of the cult
Ben is the cult leader
 
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A Prime Suspect said:
Jon was cult leader
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Also yes there's a speak with the dead role ants. Kat was revived by one lol
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Two things I missed.

Yall don't believe me, and that's understandable. I'm dead so it's nothing to me now, but if Kat wishes she can ignore me or try to work out why my Avenger kill on Ben failed because right now I'm stumped.
 
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shortkut said:
@Jon dying with you didn’t bother me. I’m sad you didn’t trust me because I essentially said in the day threads that I was following your instructions, to show the cult leader I was on board.

Oh well. Next time then
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I understand man. And fwiw, I DID pick up on you hinting you were following my instructions. I still chose anonymity for all the reasons I stated, but I also felt hiding was better for all involved at that point. I think not having 2 way communication in that role is really hard.

It's like the Mighty Ducks 2 when they're all tied up by a rope and they need to move in one direction as a team, but everyone sort of pulls in different directions because "who made you leader?!" and they all fall down.
 
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A Prime Suspect said:
There we go. That's a move. Put it on the wolves to stop the lynch if she's the fool. If she is and wins it's a fantastic play and best way to end this.

Would be the best fool run win since Tommy inventing a role.
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It's the same play I tried in that game. The baddies preffered to just lose.
 
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