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What I’ll struggle with…

So a lot of screen names have gone into the cerebral shredder over the years. Especially with real names on Facebook. And some of the popular places where people made their names like pimi and the dome were not really frequented by myself. So yeah I may struggle a little with identities. That’s gonna happen. I’m nearly 42. Give me a break.
 

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So a lot of screen names have gone into the cerebral shredder over the years. Especially with real names on Facebook. And some of the popular places where people made their names like pimi and the dome were not really frequented by myself. So yeah I may struggle a little with identities. That’s gonna happen. I’m nearly 42. Give me a break.
You’re gonna experience ageism here. Might as well get comfortable. Gotta take care of that lumbar support… try not to flare up the sciatica… eat plenty of fiber… watch the weather so you know when the arthritis is gonna get you. We get it. It’s easy to forget details like names.
 

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I appreciate that it wasn't me who was allowed to give permission to do that.

You should. Consent always was optional, especially when it came to changing your name. I just wish we could have figured a way out to force a logout without changing your password so YOU had to figure out what your name was back then.
 

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Well I had a rule that my name needed to begin with an A, and I was always on staff when that happened. So I would look at the mod list to find myself (also I had my user ID memorized lol...I was 1564, Big Daddy was 1562).
I vaguely want to remember your name simply being “A” at one point, but we’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell at remembering it for sure.
 

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Now THAT would have been hilarious :D

Dude, it extended to his presence on the spinoff forums as well. We used all kinds of mods back in the day to fuck with his account… among others. It’s a shame Al never let us have free reign with the FTP back then, because we would have loaded those forums down with mods that tormented the shit outta people.
 

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Dude, it extended to his presence on the spinoff forums as well. We used all kinds of mods back in the day to fuck with his account… among others. It’s a shame Al never let us have free reign with the FTP back then, because we would have loaded those forums down with mods that tormented the shit outta people.
lol, that would have been amazing to see :D. I'm shocked Al ever gave FTP rights to anyone, hell, I'm shocked he ever added co-admins, how dare anyone have access to sensitive account data, lol. By the end he quite literally didn't care what I did to the forums!
Not my power abuse though. Unless you're claiming I had the power to influence all the admins and smods to change it to what they wanted.
Naturally, you're Al, after all, we all know it!
 

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lol, that would have been amazing to see :D. I'm shocked Al ever gave FTP rights to anyone, hell, I'm shocked he ever added co-admins, how dare anyone have access to sensitive account data, lol. By the end he quite literally didn't care what I did to the forums!

Naturally, you're Al, after all, we all know it!

I never really got into HOW I was able to talk Al into adding admins, because it was an immediate shift into playing catch-up followed by drama circulating around the addition of the others and myself. It’s no secret that some people thought I was an asshole, I know I am. However, we all wanted to help Al keep our corner of the internet functioning at a time where he focused solely on generating ad revenue with the main site.

It started as an icebreaker conversation with him while he was toying around with the idea of upgrading to a new version of vB, I basically cloned him an admin account on one of my forums (I can’t remember which one, likely GamingWorld judging by the timeline) which showed him that not only I, but other smods at the time knew how to operate the admin panel. He liked some of the functions we had enabled, quick reply being one of them that eventually became standard, and also got to see the difference in server strain utilizing different features he disabled on GW. After a few weeks of correspondence and seeing for himself, I basically threw it out there to him that John and myself were very well versed in the program and that the others were in the process of learning the fundamentals, and that we’d be more than happy to help. He definitely lurked for quite a while on the spin-off forum before he pulled the trigger and added me, and then vanished just like that before adding the others, leaving me to promote them. That’s why it always amused me when people were surprised to see it happen, because everyone wanted Al to add some help, we tried for a long time, and it spent just as much time if not more in the works.
 

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I never really got into HOW I was able to talk Al into adding admins, because it was an immediate shift into playing catch-up followed by drama circulating around the addition of the others and myself. It’s no secret that some people thought I was an asshole, I know I am. However, we all wanted to help Al keep our corner of the internet functioning at a time where he focused solely on generating ad revenue with the main site.

It started as an icebreaker conversation with him while he was toying around with the idea of upgrading to a new version of vB, I basically cloned him an admin account on one of my forums (I can’t remember which one, likely GamingWorld judging by the timeline) which showed him that not only I, but other smods at the time knew how to operate the admin panel. He liked some of the functions we had enabled, quick reply being one of them that eventually became standard, and also got to see the difference in server strain utilizing different features he disabled on GW. After a few weeks of correspondence and seeing for himself, I basically threw it out there to him that John and myself were very well versed in the program and that the others were in the process of learning the fundamentals, and that we’d be more than happy to help. He definitely lurked for quite a while on the spin-off forum before he pulled the trigger and added me, and then vanished just like that before adding the others, leaving me to promote them. That’s why it always amused me when people were surprised to see it happen, because everyone wanted Al to add some help, we tried for a long time, and it spent just as much time if not more in the works.
Al really didn't think anyone knew the software, lol, I remember that abut him. There most of us were running offshoot and standalone forums, going far deeper into the software than he'd done, and yet he couldn't see anyone being able to help him rotate experimentals, lol.

Glad you pushed him like you did, it needed to happen! We would have lost GW so much sooner without the addition of admins.

...it's funny, I never once considered you to be an asshole, lol, you were just a friend who, like me, loved forums. That's all that ever mattered.
 

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Al really didn't think anyone knew the software, lol, I remember that abut him. There most of us were running offshoot and standalone forums, going far deeper into the software than he'd done, and yet he couldn't see anyone being able to help him rotate experimentals, lol.

Glad you pushed him like you did, it needed to happen! We would have lost GW so much sooner without the addition of admins.

...it's funny, I never once considered you to be an asshole, lol, you were just a friend who, like me, loved forums. That's all that ever mattered.
Dude, he NEEDED a push. Things were getting stagnant at that point. Experimental forums had sat for months at that point, whereas when I signed up they were still on a monthly basis and cycled out as they should have been. Part of the push was outlining to him exactly what all was falling behind… from the experimentals to the recycle bin, all the way to actual administrative duties like IP bans and shit like that. We were dealing with a lot of people circumventing bans at the time, and the inability to properly ban more than just an account was throwing so much more shit on the fire.

As far as my reputation goes… you never really got to deal with me on that side of things, because we worked together for years on other forums and were always on the same page. Others? Dude… I didn’t give two shits about hurting someone’s feelings, my online persona and real life persona were always one and the same. If you acted right, you got treated right. If you acted like a fool, you got treated like one. I didn’t have the patience for drama or forum politics, so being in an administrative role always put me in a position where I was pissing someone off.
 

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Dude, he NEEDED a push. Things were getting stagnant at that point. Experimental forums had sat for months at that point, whereas when I signed up they were still on a monthly basis and cycled out as they should have been. Part of the push was outlining to him exactly what all was falling behind… from the experimentals to the recycle bin, all the way to actual administrative duties like IP bans and shit like that. We were dealing with a lot of people circumventing bans at the time, and the inability to properly ban more than just an account was throwing so much more shit on the fire.
Yeah, I remember the feeling of the forums getting stale and people wondering what was going on. Even his generic replies had stopped by that point, so it was great seeing him finally open the door to people actually helping him. Kind of fitting you were one of the first I was one of the last. You built the ship up, I sank that fucker, lol :D
As far as my reputation goes… you never really got to deal with me on that side of things, because we worked together for years on other forums and were always on the same page. Others? Dude… I didn’t give two shits about hurting someone’s feelings, my online persona and real life persona were always one and the same. If you acted right, you got treated right. If you acted like a fool, you got treated like one. I didn’t have the patience for drama or forum politics, so being in an administrative role always put me in a position where I was pissing someone off.
True, I really did love working with you on forums, we just got it. Here's a forum, let's make it fun to visit. Cool, let's roll. It was that simple.

Glad I didn't piss you off back then, lol, I'm sure current me probably will, though :D
 

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Yeah, I remember the feeling of the forums getting stale and people wondering what was going on. Even his generic replies had stopped by that point, so it was great seeing him finally open the door to people actually helping him. Kind of fitting you were one of the first I was one of the last. You built the ship up, I sank that fucker, lol :D

True, I really did love working with you on forums, we just got it. Here's a forum, let's make it fun to visit. Cool, let's roll. It was that simple.

Glad I didn't piss you off back then, lol, I'm sure current me probably will, though :D

I wouldn’t say I built anything up there. Sure, I had contributions, but nothing I did surpassed what the other contributors did and vice-versa. We all did our part at different times. One of the greatest contributions I feel like I made was the eventual relaxation of the rules… I started off small with Insomniac’s Magic 8-Ball/Ask Wicked, as sort of a throwback to the advice forums with a less-than-serious spin. After a while, it evolved into PIMI, which is where it REALLY took off since it wasn’t revolving around my bullshit rants and tirades. It always bothered me how stuffy some of the forums were, so to be able to have a part in the creation of something that wasn’t quite as abrasive as the Thunderdome but just as absurd was my pride and joy. Beyond that? Simplifying the staff on the admin side of things. Before he added the extra admins, we were well on our way for becoming the House of Representatives with all of the different tiers of “government” within the mod forum. I’m happy that we were able to phase out the VMG and shift to a system that utilized fewer steps to get something done, and maintain a system that gave everyone more of a Democratic environment.
 

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I wouldn’t say I built anything up there. Sure, I had contributions, but nothing I did surpassed what the other contributors did and vice-versa.
Well, ok, you were a foundational part of the shift in culture that came with the first admins, how's that? :D
We all did our part at different times. One of the greatest contributions I feel like I made was the eventual relaxation of the rules… I started off small with Insomniac’s Magic 8-Ball/Ask Wicked, as sort of a throwback to the advice forums with a less-than-serious spin. After a while, it evolved into PIMI, which is where it REALLY took off since it wasn’t revolving around my bullshit rants and tirades. It always bothered me how stuffy some of the forums were, so to be able to have a part in the creation of something that wasn’t quite as abrasive as the Thunderdome but just as absurd was my pride and joy. Beyond that? Simplifying the staff on the admin side of things. Before he added the extra admins, we were well on our way for becoming the House of Representatives with all of the different tiers of “government” within the mod forum. I’m happy that we were able to phase out the VMG and shift to a system that utilized fewer steps to get something done, and maintain a system that gave everyone more of a Democratic environment.
The staff being streamlined was the single most necessary thing that happened, 100%! The time it took to get from concept to anything actually happening, and the politics...ugh. It's what drove me to leave a couple of times and I still came back. I never intended to make any kind of waves when it came to GW, I just wanted to be one tiny little part of it, and that's all I truly was up until the day Ben left. Then I got to oversee the demise of our forum home. So I guess I did get to be a footnote :D.
 

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Well, ok, you were a foundational part of the shift in culture that came with the first admins, how's that? :D

The staff being streamlined was the single most necessary thing that happened, 100%! The time it took to get from concept to anything actually happening, and the politics...ugh. It's what drove me to leave a couple of times and I still came back. I never intended to make any kind of waves when it came to GW, I just wanted to be one tiny little part of it, and that's all I truly was up until the day Ben left. Then I got to oversee the demise of our forum home. So I guess I did get to be a footnote :D.

That works for me. I just wanted everyone to enjoy themselves, you know? I wanted people to take the same kinda experience away that I had there… whether it was a helpful mod like @Bandicoot walking me through the rules so my dumbass didn’t catch a ban in my first month, or taking a chance on a wild idea I had and helping a FOG get its own forum before it was even launched because he thought it sounded cool. That’s what I set the bar at when I started with the spin-off forums, and that’s the one thing I brought over to GW when I got promoted. I didn’t want it to be all about me… I wanted everyone to have something cool to do with the time they spent on the forums, so I played into the whole 8-Ball/Ask Wicked thing as a kinda tongue-in-cheek “fuck you” to the people that thought I was self-important while I spent the bulk of my time doing the boring stuff behind the scenes.

As far as working with you, you were definitely one of my favorite co-admins I had the chance to run a forum with… as was Maj, Cole, and Ben before he went looney tunes and turned into the exact kinda megalomaniac we used to talk shit about. We had some killer ideas, and spent tons of hours spitballing ideas back and forth. You always had a better imagination than me, which played well with my practical sensibilities. You’d come at me with an idea, we’d spend hours workshopping it, then even more hours fucking with it after it went live because we just couldn’t leave shit alone. It helped me learn a lot more about the process, and it gave you a springboard leading to your tenure at GW and a pseudo competitor on the spinoffs.
 

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That works for me. I just wanted everyone to enjoy themselves, you know? I wanted people to take the same kinda experience away that I had there… whether it was a helpful mod like @Bandicoot walking me through the rules so my dumbass didn’t catch a ban in my first month, or taking a chance on a wild idea I had and helping a FOG get its own forum before it was even launched because he thought it sounded cool. That’s what I set the bar at when I started with the spin-off forums, and that’s the one thing I brought over to GW when I got promoted. I didn’t want it to be all about me… I wanted everyone to have something cool to do with the time they spent on the forums, so I played into the whole 8-Ball/Ask Wicked thing as a kinda tongue-in-cheek “fuck you” to the people that thought I was self-important while I spent the bulk of my time doing the boring stuff behind the scenes.
Yeah, you definitely did bring a shift to the forums that helped cut out a lot of the bullshit. GW and the various spinoffs were a lot of fun, and once Al stepped back and it felt like there were people in charge instead of a robot, lol, then we really got to see the community at its best.
As far as working with you, you were definitely one of my favorite co-admins I had the chance to run a forum with… as was Maj, Cole, and Ben before he went looney tunes and turned into the exact kinda megalomaniac we used to talk shit about. We had some killer ideas, and spent tons of hours spitballing ideas back and forth. You always had a better imagination than me, which played well with my practical sensibilities. You’d come at me with an idea, we’d spend hours workshopping it, then even more hours fucking with it after it went live because we just couldn’t leave shit alone. It helped me learn a lot more about the process, and it gave you a springboard leading to your tenure at GW and a pseudo competitor on the spinoffs.
Exactly, just a lot of chat, a lot of ideas and a lot of experimenting. It was fun!! Chatting the time away on different platforms, talking about the next thing to try. It certainly helped to deepen my love for forums, that's for sure.
 

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Yeah, you definitely did bring a shift to the forums that helped cut out a lot of the bullshit. GW and the various spinoffs were a lot of fun, and once Al stepped back and it felt like there were people in charge instead of a robot, lol, then we really got to see the community at its best.

Exactly, just a lot of chat, a lot of ideas and a lot of experimenting. It was fun!! Chatting the time away on different platforms, talking about the next thing to try. It certainly helped to deepen my love for forums, that's for sure.
I’m just glad that a lot of the former admins were able to cut their teeth on the spin-offs, because the vast majority of the people I had the privilege of working with over the years ended up being some of the most dedicated to the community. I remember logging on after a while and seeing nothing but people that worked with me on spinoffs running the show, and it made me proud of all of them… because they all cared about the overall community so much that they took what they learned elsewhere and applied it to GW when the time came. Cole and you both dedicated a lot into trying to bring GW back to its former glory, and if it wasn’t for you guys… that shit would have died years before it finally did.
 

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Certainly by the time admins had deep coding privileges I was gone. I also remember Ben didn’t like me but I don’t know why. Maybe because I was there before him. Who knows.
That’s essentially it. You came before him, so your reputation exceeded his own. His issues with people were numerous. I could probably give you a few dozen reasons why he didn’t like me, but we don’t have that kinda time.
 

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I’m just glad that a lot of the former admins were able to cut their teeth on the spin-offs, because the vast majority of the people I had the privilege of working with over the years ended up being some of the most dedicated to the community. I remember logging on after a while and seeing nothing but people that worked with me on spinoffs running the show, and it made me proud of all of them… because they all cared about the overall community so much that they took what they learned elsewhere and applied it to GW when the time came. Cole and you both dedicated a lot into trying to bring GW back to its former glory, and if it wasn’t for you guys… that shit would have died years before it finally did.
We hoped some of the changes would pay off, sad that they didn't. At least we got another shot at...something here :)
Certainly by the time admins had deep coding privileges I was gone. I also remember Ben didn’t like me but I don’t know why. Maybe because I was there before him. Who knows.
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That’s essentially it. You came before him, so your reputation exceeded his own. His issues with people were numerous. I could probably give you a few dozen reasons why he didn’t like me, but we don’t have that kinda time.
He seemed to have a sort of nothingness towards me, so I guess I was lucky?
 

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We hoped some of the changes would pay off, sad that they didn't. At least we got another shot at...something here :)

Everyone loves Bandy!

He seemed to have a sort of nothingness towards me, so I guess I was lucky?

Pretty much, it just saved you a lot of passive-aggressive bullshit and the occasional outburst to deliberately try to make a scene in the public forums from what I saw at the end. There’s a difference between administrative transparency and whatever the hell he was doing there at the end.

I think Cole may have been his biggest concern, based on the Ben I knew… which wasn’t the Ben everyone saw at the end or even the Ben he worked with on the forums, so I very well may be wrong. Cole was infinitely more competent than Ben, and had the kind of attitude needed to run a successful forum. Ben did not, his emotions were in the way from the start…
 

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Cole's great to work with! He's driven, he's passionate and he will get whatever needs to be done finished. You two are probably the perfect admin team, honestly, both driven, both willing to say what needs to be said to shake up a staff, and both more than willing to find solutions to any problem. I'm really happy I got to work with both of you.
 

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Cole's great to work with! He's driven, he's passionate and he will get whatever needs to be done finished. You two are probably the perfect admin team, honestly, both driven, both willing to say what needs to be said to shake up a staff, and both more than willing to find solutions to any problem. I'm really happy I got to work with both of you.
We worked together great on the last forums I was an admin on, it’s just a shame that I had so much going on in my personal life that I wasn’t able to be as dedicated as I should have been towards the end there. Things fell apart, and by the time I was able to throw time towards it, the only option I kept circling back to was starting from scratch. Cole kept things going while my life was going haywire and I was absent, then I’d get involved and seemingly derail the efforts trying to get back in the swing of things. By the time I came back around, the domains were offline and he was over at GW with you beating on the server trying to find a pulse.
 

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We worked together great on the last forums I was an admin on, it’s just a shame that I had so much going on in my personal life that I wasn’t able to be as dedicated as I should have been towards the end there. Things fell apart, and by the time I was able to throw time towards it, the only option I kept circling back to was starting from scratch. Cole kept things going while my life was going haywire and I was absent, then I’d get involved and seemingly derail the efforts trying to get back in the swing of things. By the time I came back around, the domains were offline and he was over at GW with you beating on the server trying to find a pulse.
Yeah, life surely does get in the way at times, and even the best laid plans go awry. I think you'd do a hell of a job with a forum, honestly, you did then, you would now.
 
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Weren't you also responsible for kicking off the trend of User Groups coming with custom colors for the users in them, which famously resulted in Al saying "it looks like a bag of skittles vomited on the forums" there?

I know I didn't take the blame for that one, despite being one of the earliest to have it on my display. Unlike that fateful April Fools Day...
 

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Yeah, life surely does get in the way at times, and even the best laid plans go awry. I think you'd do a hell of a job with a forum, honestly, you did then, you would now.

I’m friends with a former member, and him and I talked about it recently and I told him that I’d love to get back into doing something like that, but I wouldn’t even know where to begin with figuring out what the process would be for reactivating my vBulletin license when they’ve rebranded that software and XenForo is an entirely separate entity. I’d likely have to purchase a new one, and I couldn’t rationalize that kinda expense being the old donkey I am. It’s a little different for you since you’re one of the last serving admins. By the time I resurfaced at the end, there were only a few that even remembered who I was, so the likelihood of me recruiting people was much lower than yours.
 

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Weren't you also responsible for kicking off the trend of User Groups coming with custom colors for the users in them, which famously resulted in Al saying "it looks like a bag of skittles vomited on the forums" there?

I know I didn't take the blame for that one, despite being one of the earliest to have it on my display. Unlike that fateful April Fools Day...
I believe that was one of the first “mods” that Al allowed us to utilize, because it gave us the ability to show at a glance the distinction between members and staff. Naturally, his first concern was server load… but when he saw that it was quite literally a few characters of code added to a handful of sections (profile, post, forum leaders, etc.) he conceded. Was it grossly abused for the most ridiculous reasons? Absolutely. Would I do it again 20 years older? Absolutely.
 

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I’m friends with a former member, and him and I talked about it recently and I told him that I’d love to get back into doing something like that, but I wouldn’t even know where to begin with figuring out what the process would be for reactivating my vBulletin license when they’ve rebranded that software and XenForo is an entirely separate entity. I’d likely have to purchase a new one, and I couldn’t rationalize that kinda expense being the old donkey I am. It’s a little different for you since you’re one of the last serving admins. By the time I resurfaced at the end, there were only a few that even remembered who I was, so the likelihood of me recruiting people was much lower than yours.
Well if you ever want another forum to tinker with, I wouldn't mind a co-admin ;)
 

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Well if you ever want another forum to tinker with, I wouldn't mind a co-admin ;)
Sign me up and show me the ropes, I’m definitely rusty.
The Bengay Incident.
I gotta ask, but don’t even know where to begin… what the hell happened? Last I knew of him, Brigette and him had recently shacked up and were honeymooning. The next time I popped up, it was like he turned into an evil villain or some shit.
 
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Awesome! I'll bump you up, not that there's much to do at the moment, but you're welcome to poke around, tinker, create a test style to get familiar with everything, whatever you want :)
Can you make a custom user group with no special permissions but just goes to me and has a "Sucks" badge to go with it?
 
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