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I'm sure there's some of us who enjoy these types of games.

There have been a couple of big announcements recently. The first is the "unveiling" of Europa Universalis 5, a game we've actually been watching being developed for like 2 years now as Project Caesar. It looks like taking some elements from Victoria and CK, making pops and characters more in depth.



The other is Anno 117, announced last year but with a gameplay unveiling and impressions videos coming out this week. I really enjoyed 1800 and the setting is definitely something I'm interested in. I don't expect it to be hugely different but I'll still play the crap out of it.

 

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I'm so looking forward to Anno 117, and glad to see the new EU. I'm out of the loop on CK, admittedly, but looking to get back into it again. EU I'm better with, thankfully, but Civ has always been my default, lol. Disappointed in 7, very much so, but giving it time...
 
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I'm so looking forward to Anno 117, and glad to see the new EU. I'm out of the loop on CK, admittedly, but looking to get back into it again. EU I'm better with, thankfully, but Civ has always been my default, lol. Disappointed in 7, very much so, but giving it time...
So, I hear you're looking to get back into strategy games. Perhaps I could be of assistance. ;)
 
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I've definitely heard mixed things about Civ 7. I enjoyed 6 and the expansions but didn't play as much as I wanted. I was a bit skeptical of the direction they chose to go in for 7.
Instinctively I'm the same. The reset between ages doesn't seem to be a change that fits with the game.

I used to spend a lot of time on strategy games. I've always been a real time strategy fan, but I've spent a lot of time on the more pure turn based and 4x games over the years. But as with most of my gaming, not really in the past ten years. I haven't played a EU game in a long time. I spent some time on III or IV but not very much, and can't remember which one. I've never played an Anno game. Feels like something I should correct. If I can find the time for an RPG now (which I hope to do soon with Clair Obscur) then there's no reason I can't dive back into this genre.
 

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I'm sure there's some of us who enjoy these types of games.

I've put close to or slightly over 300 hrs in both CK 2 and EU4, but "only" 51 into CK3. For what ever reason it has not grabbed me. I really dont like the rpg mechanics, for some things it could make sense, but sucks for policies. I also dont like the UI, sure it is "prettier", but its glossier and stuff blends together more. CK2 while a little clunky at first, it made sense and didnt blend together to my eyes


There have been a couple of big announcements recently. The first is the "unveiling" of Europa Universalis 5, a game we've actually been watching being developed for like 2 years now as Project Caesar. It looks like taking some elements from Victoria and CK, making pops and characters more in depth.

I have always wanted to try one of the Victoria games as I like more politics than wars.




Watching currently, glad to see population, and characters having more importance than EU4 as it was still very important then. So glad the mana is gone
 

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More of an RTS than things like Civ, but I just saw they announced a Warhammer 40k Dawn of War definitive edition.



Graphics aren't really all that much better, but it's got all the expansions and stuff with it. I think there's also mod support so it's possible that there'll be graphical improvements through that.

I played a lot of this, so the thought of getting to bust through the campaigns again is cool. I'm sure I'll probably pick it up.
 
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More of an RTS than things like Civ, but I just saw they announced a Warhammer 40k Dawn of War definitive edition.

Graphics aren't really all that much better, but it's got all the expansions and stuff with it. I think there's also mod support so it's possible that there'll be graphical improvements through that.

I played a lot of this, so the thought of getting to bust through the campaigns again is cool. I'm sure I'll probably pick it up.
One of my favourite strategy games. I got pretty high on the ranked ladder online on this when I was at university. I put a lot of hours into the second game as well, but they're obviously (for anyone who has played both) very different. May well be tempted to give this a spin and go through the campaigns again. My multiplayer days are well behind me.
 

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I mentioned to Kelly that I was playing XCOM 2 again. Big fan of the "every decision is bad try to make the least bad decision until you've made enough progress for things to get easier" genre.

I need to try the second one. I hear the level vareity is better. I got bored of the first one (reboot) due to lack of level vareity
 

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I feel like when I tried XCOM, it was one of those games that had far too much shit going on for me to pay attention to... Although I also think I might have tried it on console, which seems not-productive for a strategy game.
 

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I probably just didn't give it enough time. I don't even remember getting to any base building, so I must have given up on it during the first mission or something.
 
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I think I may have played one of those with you online many moons ago? Probably the second one.
Yeah probably the second one. I struggle to remember what we played outside of our epic Supreme Commander sessions where I'd sit at the front and try to hold off the AI hordes while you took the time to build a functioning economy behind me.
I've never tried on console but it's turn based so it shouldn't be too bad.
I played the reboot on PS3 and had a great time with it. XCOM 2 is one of those games that I absolutely should have played, but fell victim to me becoming a parent. Enemy Unknown and Terror From The Deep are both key strategy games from my childhood.
 
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I "finished" off my old Sweden game in Victoria 3 as it's on a very old version and I'd like to try a new game.

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Because this is supposed to be an economic sim, I didn't do much warfare. I integrated Norway and got involved in a war which I did basically nothing but got Denmark (including Iceland and Greenland) in the peace deal. I also have a small colony in Africa around Ghana and Togo which produces rubber, coffee and tobacco.

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I made it to the 5th biggest economy, but the first by a distance in GDP per capita. The region of Svealand alone has a GDP of 88.4 million which would put it 8th, and a GDP per capita of 22.4. We recently invented flight and I'm currently installing public toilets for reasons I have long forgotten and am scouting out the Panama canal. The large GDP increase is also due to my population growth, which was pretty insignificant until quite recently when immigration has gone through the roof to man my factories.

Wages are enormous, but it doesn't matter because Svealand is unmatched in productivity.

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My standard of living is also good but only second behind a random part of British India. Literacy isn't bad either, not top of the class, but you don't need to read to work in a glassworks! Also, I've just noticed Communist Bahrain is a thing.

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Sadly Finland is fucked. They got cought in a decades long civil war which massacred the economy, and I couldn't save them because they are under Russian influence. Ostrobothnia in particular scores a 6.6 in the standard of living index which from a quick search is beaten only by a starving portion of aboriginal Australia. If I had more time I'd invade and improve things.

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North America looks like a classic Paradox map mush. The Confederacy kinda forgot about the north/south divide and is led by a Yankee. For some reason they control DC and New England completely disconnected from the rest of the country. The red states are part of the Afro-American Uprising led by a fascist. The yellow is the last remaining native nation, all of Columbia is part of Canada (but not all the prairies) and for some reason southern Colorado is Mexican.

The Confederate economy is trash (about a quarter of Sweden in per capita terms) but the American economy has fallen off a cliff into almost non-existance. It seems like the game doesn't like that the rest is not connected to DC which is the market center for the region. I think the new patches have changed this mechanic because it's a bit silly. America wasn't that wealthy before the war though, and their population is less than mine.
 

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I really did enjoy playing games like that once upon a time.Is Victoria 3 still the go to for a game like this? Or are there better options in different eras or with a different emphasis?
With Paradox games they each have their own emphasis. Victoria 3 is an economic sim first, set in 1836-1936. You obviously can do things like colonialisation and warfare but it's very much in the pursuit of economic development and it's more the means to an end rather than anything, the end being a strong economy. There's a lot more emphasis on the minutae of trade, investment and development of your individual provinces.

Crusader Kings 3 is set in 867-1453 and is focused around leaders and dynasties, with a major concern being improving your character's abilities and gaining and securing power for your own family rather than just a nation. You can build up your royal house, make cadet houses and marry off characters to secure alliances or even get favourable traits for your offspring.

Hearts of Iron IV is in effect a WW2 military sim.

Europa Universalis remains the sort of catch-all grand strategy game with a bit of everything. There's a bit of economic management but not as in depth as Victoria, and particularly with the changes in EU5 there will be a bit more of CK3-style character management, but ultimately it's the grandest focused game and is all about the macro scale of building up an empire. EU4 is pretty mature by this point and EU5 is out later this year.

I haven't played EU4 for a good few years. I did dabble in CK3 as it was on Game Pass and enjoyed it, but Vic 3 is just my personal preference. They're all pretty well regarded by this point, with the recent 1.9 patch to Vic 3 being much better received than the launch game.
 
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With Paradox games they each have their own emphasis. Victoria 3 is an economic sim first, set in 1836-1936. You obviously can do things like colonialisation and warfare but it's very much in the pursuit of economic development and it's more the means to an end rather than anything, the end being a strong economy. There's a lot more emphasis on the minutae of trade, investment and development of your individual provinces.

Crusader Kings 3 is set in 867-1453 and is focused around leaders and dynasties, with a major concern being improving your character's abilities and gaining and securing power for your own family rather than just a nation. You can build up your royal house, make cadet houses and marry off characters to secure alliances or even get favourable traits for your offspring.

Hearts of Iron IV is in effect a WW2 military sim.

Europa Universalis remains the sort of catch-all grand strategy game with a bit of everything. There's a bit of economic management but not as in depth as Victoria, and particularly with the changes in EU5 there will be a bit more of CK3-style character management, but ultimately it's the grandest focused game and is all about the macro scale of building up an empire. EU4 is pretty mature by this point and EU5 is out later this year.

I haven't played EU4 for a good few years. I did dabble in CK3 as it was on Game Pass and enjoyed it, but Vic 3 is just my personal preference. They're all pretty well regarded by this point, with the recent 1.9 patch to Vic 3 being much better received than the launch game.
Yeah I haven't really spent any time with any of these games, despite being aware of all of them. It sounds like at this point Victoria 3 might be the emphasis I want, but might well keep an eye on EU5 and see how it's received. The main thing is to make sure I have the time to commit to whichever I buy. I'm getting more time to game at the moment, but there is very much a limit.
 
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