TV Shows Severance (Apple TV)

[rktaker]

I thought there was a thread on this show already but I couldn't find it if there was so here's one for this show it just started Season two this past friday and man the show is still good even after not having new episodes for 3 years. I know Apple TV is like the lowest viewed streaming service but they have very good shows between Ted Lasso (though that's done now), Shrinking, and this

 

[Quagmire]

Can't wait to start season 2.

I have two episodes left in Silo first I want to knock out

 

[Gloom-is-good]

Just watched the 1st episode of season 2. A little lost since it's been awhile from season 1 so I may go back and watch at least the last episode. I really don't recall what happened to Irv when woke up on the outside.

 

[Quagmire]

Just watched the 1st episode of season 2. A little lost since it's been awhile from season 1 so I may go back and watch at least the last episode. I really don't recall what happened to Irv when woke up on the outside.

Do they not do any recap?

Gonna hit youtube first

 

[rktaker]

so Severance season 2 episode 2

Spoiler: Severance season 2 episode 2

Some questions that were left over from the first episode were answered first that it has not been five months is the MDR and it has really only been a few days. and that Irving and Dylan were fired and they didn't choose to not come back. there's still a bunch of questions like who or what the board is or if Helena is pretending to be Helly. or what is up with the goats. it wa[s still a good episode and I look forward to the next one.SPOILER]

 

[Quagmire]

Loving this season so far

I did watch a youtube recap, it helped a lot

 

[rktaker]

Severance
season 2 episode 4

Spoiler

I have no idea what is happening in this show anymore they are doing things way earlier than I think anyone thought that they would. first with Mark's reintegration last episode that people thought would be either later this season or even in a future season. and now revealing that Helena has been undercover as Helly ever since this season started. now that is something a lot of people predicted but I didn't think it would be revealed this soon. now Irving has been fired for trying to murder Helena. I have no idea what the rest of this season is gonna be now.

 

[Kat]

Severance
season 2 episode 4

Spoiler

I have no idea what is happening in this show anymore they are doing things way earlier than I think anyone thought that they would. first with Mark's reintegration last episode that people thought would be either later this season or even in a future season. and now revealing that Helena has been undercover as Helly ever since this season started. now that is something a lot of people predicted but I didn't think it would be revealed this soon. now Irving has been fired for trying to murder Helena. I have no idea what the rest of this season is gonna be now.

Right?! Everything has been so unpredictable.

Spoiler

In the first episode, I was completely convinced it was Helena. By this episode, I was completely convinced otherwise. And then it turned out that she was! And she slept with Mark? Did she mean what she said about not liking herself, or was that all deception? I wonder if she has any idea what happened to Mark's wife. She must, right?

Lumon put four people (well, apparently three) who had never been outside into the freezing wilderness?? WTF are they thinking? Irving 100% would've frozen to death IRL. I spent most of the episode convinced it was some wild VR simulation. But no, it seems legit?

The family room where they really let Dylan meet his wife was also unexpected. I was sure that would be a carrot that he was perpetually teased with, or they'd hire an actress to pretend to be his wife. It's not like he'd know otherwise, right? But no, they really brought his wife in for him.

What is so important about Mark and Cold Harbor??? What even is Cold Harbor?!

Every episode introduces more questions than answers. It's such a rollercoaster.

 

[Quagmire]

Right?! Everything has been so unpredictable.

Spoiler

In the first episode, I was completely convinced it was Helena. By this episode, I was completely convinced otherwise. And then it turned out that she was! And she slept with Mark? Did she mean what she said about not liking herself, or was that all deception? I wonder if she has any idea what happened to Mark's wife. She must, right?

Lumon put four people (well, apparently three) who had never been outside into the freezing wilderness?? WTF are they thinking? Irving 100% would've frozen to death IRL. I spent most of the episode convinced it was some wild VR simulation. But no, it seems legit?

The family room where they really let Dylan meet his wife was also unexpected. I was sure that would be a carrot that he was perpetually teased with, or they'd hire an actress to pretend to be his wife. It's not like he'd know otherwise, right? But no, they really brought his wife in for him.

What is so important about Mark and Cold Harbor??? What even is Cold Harbor?!

Every episode introduces more questions than answers. It's such a rollercoaster.

In regards to your spoiler, I think they meant it and they have to know

I am extremely confused, but I am enjoying the fuck out of it, unlike Westworld after Season 2 where it got really confusing and I no longer liked it

 

[rktaker]

Right?! Everything has been so unpredictable.

Spoiler

In the first episode, I was completely convinced it was Helena. By this episode, I was completely convinced otherwise. And then it turned out that she was! And she slept with Mark? Did she mean what she said about not liking herself, or was that all deception? I wonder if she has any idea what happened to Mark's wife. She must, right?

Lumon put four people (well, apparently three) who had never been outside into the freezing wilderness?? WTF are they thinking? Irving 100% would've frozen to death IRL. I spent most of the episode convinced it was some wild VR simulation. But no, it seems legit?

The family room where they really let Dylan meet his wife was also unexpected. I was sure that would be a carrot that he was perpetually teased with, or they'd hire an actress to pretend to be his wife. It's not like he'd know otherwise, right? But no, they really brought his wife in for him.

What is so important about Mark and Cold Harbor??? What even is Cold Harbor?!

Every episode introduces more questions than answers. It's such a rollercoaster.

Spoiler

well she knows what the cold harbor file is so I imagine she probably does know. and doesn't she say something about Mark trying to find his wife this episode? or did I mishear that?

 

[Kat]

In regards to your spoiler, I think they meant it and they have to know

I agree, that's the impression I get too.

I am extremely confused, but I am enjoying the fuck out of it, unlike Westworld after Season 2 where it got really confusing and I no longer liked it

I didn't watch Westworld so I can't comment on that, but I agree that I'm enjoying the confusion. Every episode, my reaction is "what is happening?!" but it's in a good way.

Spoiler

well she knows what the cold harbor file is so I imagine she probably does know. and doesn't she say something about Mark trying to find his wife this episode? or did I mishear that?

Spoiler

she did mention his wife in a sort of "are you sure you wanna be with me when your outie is looking for his wife?" way, but his innie will only care so much about that.

I think she likes that Mark doesn't know anything about the outside world and who she normally has to be. That he only cares about how she is with him. Maybe Helena is really tired of the expectations of the world. She was clearly fascinated with Helly kissing Mark. At first I thought she was disturbed, but maybe she's jealous in a way? Maybe she wants that for herself. I expect it'll come to a head shortly.

Also how did they the have an episode with Mark being reintegrated, then the next episode the only acknowledgement of that happening is a quick glimpse of his wife?!

I feel like Lumon is playing chess and they're three moves ahead of us.

 

[Quagmire]

My wild, okay probably not overly wild theory, but I think/wonder if

Spoiler: Episode 4

Outie Helena knows Marks wife and she doesnt like her, so she sleeps with her husband. Im sure there is a lot more to than just that, but its a theory

 

[Kat]

My wild, okay probably not overly wild theory, but I think/wonder if

Spoiler: Episode 4

Outie Helena knows Marks wife and she doesnt like her, so she sleeps with her husband. Im sure there is a lot more to than just that, but its a theory

Lmao, that'd be taking petty revenge to new heights!

 

[Quagmire]

Lmao, that'd be taking petty revenge to new heights!

I do enjoy some petty revenge

 

[Gloom-is-good]

Finally caught up! Yay!

I watched two recaps. The only thing I couldn't remember was why Cobel was fired last season..? Was it because she was "in charge" when the innies enacted the overtime?

 

[Kat]

Finally caught up! Yay!

I watched two recaps. The only thing I couldn't remember was why Cobel was fired last season..? Was it because she was "in charge" when the innies enacted the overtime?

Yeah, I think so. Plus all the other problems they had with that group acting out, but I'm sure the overtime thing was the final straw.

 

[Gloom-is-good]

So what is everyone's theory on what Cold Harbor is?

 

[Kat]

So what is everyone's theory on what Cold Harbor is?

A friend of mine thinks it's a project to revive people from the dead. That's why Mark's dead wife is there - she really did die and they revived her somehow, and Mark is working on something to help that process (to restore memories maybe?). That's why it has to be Mark, because he was married to her and knew her well. It could explain Harmony's weirdness too: she seems to have lost a loved one and maybe she hopes Lumen can bring that person back. It also lines up with the executives commenting that the work will rock the world.

It doesn't explain everything (What about the rest of MDR? Why not just tell Mark what they're doing? He'd obviously help.), and idk if I believe it, but it's an interesting theory.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I have too much to say about this show and I know I'm forgetting stuff, but I'll just rattle off things I keep thinking about through watching. Forgetting a ton of stuff, this is just at the top of my head. This is heavily spoiler ridden if not caught up.

• Spoiler: Severance Spoilers

  • I agree with the revival of the dead theory, but I don't think it's fully dead people. Maybe brain dead - involved in an accident, etc; But some way that Lumon was able to jam a chip into a brain dead body and turn it on to see what happens, and it worked - albeit full of problems most likely. This is why I think MDR is refining the chips for people without outies. Mark has a connection to Gemma because she was his wife. The "scary numbers", in my opinion, indicate a memory or synapse imprint. MDR is clearing these memories from the braindead innies so they don't experience reintegration sickness.
  • This all is solely to revive Kier Eagan. I assume that the board is collectively inside either Jame Eagan's head, or some sort of prototype inside Natalie. The "revolving" most certainly means Helena must donate her body to this process of changing of the guard. However, Jame's very outdated lexicon makes me believe his consciousness is older than everyone else.
  • The goats are going to be a big plot point, but right now I have a soft theory that this is where they put chips before OR after a severance procedure. Either to prep the chips for being put into a brain, or to host whatever imprinted onto the chip after severance. (Retirements, maybe?)
  • Burt may never have been severed, knowing he's been with Lumon for 20 years. It's possible he has had the primitive form of severance done, before the chip was available, but I'm leaning more towards Burt is in upper management and was unsevered working in O&D.
  • Dylan's wife and iDylan are totally going to try to make iDylan be the primary, and lock oDylan out from his life. This is why I think rather than "lights out" for the outie when this happens, they do something with the outie consciousness somewhere else. (Testing floor?)
  • Teeth. My god, teeth are everywhere. The season 1 photos of smiles everywhere. Dylan biting Milchick only for Milchick to compliment his incisors later. Helly mentioning she has bad enamel on her teeth. The exports guy coming for the dental equipment. Are they severing people under the guise of dental care? A quick nitrous session and boop, severed without knowing? Maybe, not so sure on this, but teeth are important.
  • There is no "Dieter Egan". Kier did not have a twin. This is the first time Kier came up with the idea of severance - he was ashamed of fapping in the woods and rather than own it, he likely went into some form of psychosis to separate the personalities. This was the first severance. Dieter is Kier. Kier is Dieter.
  • Ms. Huang is still questionable. Clearly she is working at Lumon for some type of credit at the Eagan School for Girls, but wtf is Wintertide and why would a child have any reason to be on the severed floor?
  • Something is up with Cobel and getting freaked out by hearing about a "reset". I didn't think Cobel was severed because of all the indications we see that she is not, but I also am starting to believe in the "permanent innie theory" - where if you devote yourself to Kier, then they offer your innie to take over. An offer Dylan might get - an offer Cobel, Natalie, and Milchick may have even taken already.
  • Drummond had the keys to Irving's house AND army chest. Lumon potentially making key copies while people are at work?

  [*]

I assume we're going to have a full Gemma episode, and a full Cobel episode, before a cliffhanger season finale. I'm ready for it.

 

[Kat]

I have too much to say about this show and I know I'm forgetting stuff, but I'll just rattle off things I keep thinking about through watching. Forgetting a ton of stuff, this is just at the top of my head. This is heavily spoiler ridden if not caught up.

• Spoiler: Severance Spoilers

  • I agree with the revival of the dead theory, but I don't think it's fully dead people. Maybe brain dead - involved in an accident, etc; But some way that Lumon was able to jam a chip into a brain dead body and turn it on to see what happens, and it worked - albeit full of problems most likely. This is why I think MDR is refining the chips for people without outies. Mark has a connection to Gemma because she was his wife. The "scary numbers", in my opinion, indicate a memory or synapse imprint. MDR is clearing these memories from the braindead innies so they don't experience reintegration sickness.
  • This all is solely to revive Kier Eagan. I assume that the board is collectively inside either Jame Eagan's head, or some sort of prototype inside Natalie. The "revolving" most certainly means Helena must donate her body to this process of changing of the guard. However, Jame's very outdated lexicon makes me believe his consciousness is older than everyone else.
  • The goats are going to be a big plot point, but right now I have a soft theory that this is where they put chips before OR after a severance procedure. Either to prep the chips for being put into a brain, or to host whatever imprinted onto the chip after severance. (Retirements, maybe?)
  • Burt may never have been severed, knowing he's been with Lumon for 20 years. It's possible he has had the primitive form of severance done, before the chip was available, but I'm leaning more towards Burt is in upper management and was unsevered working in O&D.
  • Dylan's wife and iDylan are totally going to try to make iDylan be the primary, and lock oDylan out from his life. This is why I think rather than "lights out" for the outie when this happens, they do something with the outie consciousness somewhere else. (Testing floor?)
  • Teeth. My god, teeth are everywhere. The season 1 photos of smiles everywhere. Dylan biting Milchick only for Milchick to compliment his incisors later. Helly mentioning she has bad enamel on her teeth. The exports guy coming for the dental equipment. Are they severing people under the guise of dental care? A quick nitrous session and boop, severed without knowing? Maybe, not so sure on this, but teeth are important.
  • There is no "Dieter Egan". Kier did not have a twin. This is the first time Kier came up with the idea of severance - he was ashamed of fapping in the woods and rather than own it, he likely went into some form of psychosis to separate the personalities. This was the first severance. Dieter is Kier. Kier is Dieter.
  • Ms. Huang is still questionable. Clearly she is working at Lumon for some type of credit at the Eagan School for Girls, but wtf is Wintertide and why would a child have any reason to be on the severed floor?
  • Something is up with Cobel and getting freaked out by hearing about a "reset". I didn't think Cobel was severed because of all the indications we see that she is not, but I also am starting to believe in the "permanent innie theory" - where if you devote yourself to Kier, then they offer your innie to take over. An offer Dylan might get - an offer Cobel, Natalie, and Milchick may have even taken already.
  • Drummond had the keys to Irving's house AND army chest. Lumon potentially making key copies while people are at work?

  [*]

I assume we're going to have a full Gemma episode, and a full Cobel episode, before a cliffhanger season finale. I'm ready for it.

I never even considered that possibility about Burt. What an interesting idea. It'd explain a lot for sure.

Your theory about Dieter also makes as much sense as anything else.

I've heard about the permanent innie theory too. At first I scoffed at it, but after what happened with Dylan last episode, it does feel like it's going that way. If Lumon can also undo it at any time, then it'd certainly give them a lot of leverage over those people. Dylan would 100% jump at the chance IMO.

 

[rktaker]

i was never good at coming up with theories on tv shows on my own i usually just look at other people’s theories and either agree or disagree with them. Severance is making it even harder for me to come up with a theory. every time I think i know what’s about to come they do something that completely changes my expectations.

 

[Quagmire]

It's Walter from Fringe!

 

[Kat]

i was never good at coming up with theories on tv shows on my own i usually just look at other people’s theories and either agree or disagree with them. Severance is making it even harder for me to come up with a theory. every time I think i know what’s about to come they do something that completely changes my expectations.

Completely agree that Severance is good at keeping us guessing. I still don't quite know what to make of Helena. At first I couldn't decide if it was really Helly or Helena. At first I was sure it was Helena, then I became completely convinced she was Helly just before it was proven otherwise. And with this latest weirdness? Is Helena legit into Mark or is it all a ploy? How does she really feel about all this? I think she's going to betray her family and company to help Mark eventually.

 

[kewltidus]

I thought there was a thread on this show already but I couldn't find it if there was so here's one for this show it just started Season two this past friday and man the show is still good even after not having new episodes for 3 years. I know Apple TV is like the lowest viewed streaming service but they have very good shows between Ted Lasso (though that's done now), Shrinking, and this

I felt just like you; completely lost with the season 2 first episode. Haven't kept up with it since. Gotta find a good recap video of S1

 

[Kat]

I do enjoy some petty revenge

So I have a new theory along these lines.

Spoiler

Helena isn't trying to get back at Mark's wife, she's getting back at her own innie. "Try to kill me, bitch? Well I'll steal your identity and your man!"

 

[rktaker]

Spoiler: Severance Season 2 episode 7

what a beautiful painful episode that was. I kind of figured we were gonna get a flashback episode with how the last episode ended and this didn't disappoint. poor Gemma came so close to getting out and then of course Milcheck had to show up. Also I wonder is Gemma the only one in this basement area? we know she's essential to whatever Lumon is doing but how? what are these rooms she's going into? we never see anyone else going in these rooms besides Lumon employees and Gmma so is she the only one down here now? have they trie this with anyone else? have they tested other people in this basement and Gemma is the only one thats surviving the rooms or something?

 

[Gloom-is-good]

Turns out I am using paper clips wrong...

 

[Kat]

At this point, pretty much all my theories have been disproven, so I have no idea what Lumon is trying to achieve. It should be an interesting final episode.

 

[Quagmire]

Finale tonight. Sort of excited, but overall have found this season really disappointing. The first few episodes were interesting, but the longer the season went, it felt like nothing was really happening. Maybe the finale will wrap it up nicely and re-contextualize everything, but Im getting huge cliff hanger vibes that will leave us more frustrated than satisfied

 

[Kat]

Finale tonight. Sort of excited, but overall have found this season really disappointing. The first few episodes were interesting, but the longer the season went, it felt like nothing was really happening. Maybe the finale will wrap it up nicely and re-contextualize everything, but Im getting huge cliff hanger vibes that will leave us more frustrated than satisfied

They better resolve Gemma's situation at a minimum. I've read they haven't decided whether they're going to do a third season, which hopefully means they wrote this one without huge cliff hangers at the end, but who knows. Last episode felt like they were wrapping up Dylan's and Irving's stories, although there are unanswered questions there.

I liked the episode that focused on Harmony. She's behaved so strangely the entire show, and I never saw the explanation coming, but it makes perfect sense. I'm hoping the final episode will explain Cold Harbor in a similar way.

I don't expect we'll get an answer about wtf is up with the goat people this season, which is disappointing.

 

[Quagmire]

They better resolve Gemma's situation at a minimum. I've read they haven't decided whether they're going to do a third season, which hopefully means they wrote this one without huge cliff hangers at the end, but who knows. Last episode felt like they were wrapping up Dylan's and Irving's stories, although there are unanswered questions there.

I liked the episode that focused on Harmony. She's behaved so strangely the entire show, and I never saw the explanation coming, but it makes perfect sense. I'm hoping the final episode will explain Cold Harbor in a similar way.

I don't expect we'll get an answer about wtf is up with the goat people this season, which is disappointing.

It mostly feels like there is a lot to cover in one episode, I have a hard time seeing them doing it without it feeling rushed

 

[rktaker]

honestly idk where people are acting like nothing has happened this season like it's a slow burn but we have gotten answers little by little each episode. as for the cliffhanger part. yeah that's how tv shows work like I just don't get why people want shows to just give them all the answers immediately like i have seen people say with this show. but idk maybe that's just me

 

[Kat]

as for the cliffhanger part. yeah that's how tv shows work like I just don't get why people want shows to just give them all the answers immediatel

I don't want all the answers immediately, but I don't like cliff hangers at the end of a season, especially when they haven't committed to even making another season. IMO it's a cheap device to keep people interested. It's fine to leave some questions unanswered, and of course it needs to leave somewhere for the story to go, but they need to resolve the mysteries which have been central to this season. Let the quality of the story bring people back rather than a lack of closure.

Things I'm okay with them leaving open-ended: what Irving was up to, the purpose of the goats, and which side Helena will ultimately end up on. Things they need to answer or I'm not watching the next season: Gemma's fate, what Cold Harbor is, and why it needs Mark. We should get a another piece of the puzzle on what Lumon is trying to accomplish, but it doesn't need to be the whole picture.

I was happy with the end of the first season, for context. They left plenty of questions for the next season, but they resolved the major conflict of that season.

 

[Quagmire]

honestly idk where people are acting like nothing has happened this season like it's a slow burn but we have gotten answers little by little each episode. as for the cliffhanger part. yeah that's how tv shows work like I just don't get why people want shows to just give them all the answers immediately like i have seen people say with this show. but idk maybe that's just me

Kat answered most of issues for the cliffhanger part

First season felt like a slow burn, this one feels like a snails pace

Maybe some of it is the gap between the two seasons and I only watched a recap, perhaps Id appreciate the pacing more. Right now, havent started the finale yet, it feels so disconnected to me the episodes stuff happens but it feels isolated from moving the plot forward, we'll see if the finale ties it all together for me

 

[rktaker]

Spoiler

i put this as a spoiler just in case

 

[rktaker]

Kat answered most of issues for the cliffhanger part

First season felt like a slow burn, this one feels like a snails pace

Maybe some of it is the gap between the two seasons and I only watched a recap, perhaps Id appreciate the pacing more. Right now, havent started the finale yet, it feels so disconnected to me the episodes stuff happens but it feels isolated from moving the plot forward, we'll see if the finale ties it all together for me

see i disagree on that I feel it’s the same as season 1, season 1 it took awhile to figure out anything that was going on and the show wasn’t giving us any answers especially at the beginning. while here we got answers while yes getting more questions but I don’t see anything wrong with that.

now what I’m about to say next is not directed at you quagmire or anyone else here and I might even be wrong in this but i think a lot of people didn’t watch season 1 when it first cane out and binged it probably recently so the pace felt a lot faster to them rather than them having to wait week to week for episodes. and it just goes to show how streaming in a way kind of ruined tv.

like imagine people watching Lost now rather than 15 years ago or whatever it doesn’t seem like a long time but bow with streaming everyone can watch all the episodes immediately back to back rather than waiting. if they had to wait now they would hate it. or even something like game of thrones even with that coming out in 2010 it was still before streaming. imagine game of thrones came out now and it was weekly making people wait. like when Netflix, Prime, and Hulu started it was all binging shows and people got used to it and it was only recently that streaming services besides Netflix went back to episodes coming out weekly. of course that doesn’t mean people can’t have criticisms or complaints. I do have some of my own but i feel people in general are more impatient now than they used to be

 

[Quagmire]

I also find that I can enjoy the slower Pace at first, but when we get to 2nd and 3rd either Seasons or books in a series Once the world has kind of been built I don't enjoy the slow pace anymore

 

[Kat]

I feel like the pacing has been fine, but I like anticipation probably more than the average person. The main question in this season is "why is Lumon going through all this?!" That was also a question (though not the main focus) in the first season, and it didn't get answered at all, so I think that's contributing to the feeling of being "strung along".

I'm watching the season finale tonight.

 

[Quagmire]

We are getting a 3rd season

Finished the finale, did like the finale, I still feel like I missed a lot this season and Im not sure why

Its a good ending, but also frustrating. Still a lot of questions, good cliffhanger, but fuck feel like we need one more episode

Almost feel like I need to rewatch this season. It felt very disjointed to me for what ever reason and I did not feel that season 1

 

[Kat]

It felt very disjointed to me for what ever reason and I did not feel that season 1

I do agree with that. We got a lot of pieces to the puzzle, but they all feel disconnected.

Good to hear they've confirmed a third season. It seemed pretty likely, as Apple hasn't been one to abandon series for no discernable reason (looking at you, Netflix), but still good to have confirmation.

 

[Quagmire]

I do agree with that. We got a lot of pieces to the puzzle, but they all feel disconnected.

Good to hear they've confirmed a third season. It seemed pretty likely, as Apple hasn't been one to abandon series for no discernable reason (looking at you, Netflix), but still good to have confirmation.

Sad Santa Clarita Diet noises

 

[Tommy Boy]

I have a lot to say about this, so while I’m gathering my thoughts and typing everything up, I will leave this as a placeholder:

Fuckin Mark S.

 

[Quagmire]

Fuckin Mark S.

 

[Kat]

I enjoyed how they wrapped it up.

Spoiler: Season finale spoilers

My favorite aspect of this show is the ethical concerns: Devon wants to take down Lumon for kidnapping Gemma and treating innies poorly. This seems reasonable, of course. However, it never even occurs to her that it's effectively killing all the innies and they might not want that. Even reintegrating is maybe not something they'd want. Would you want your consciousness to be combined with another that's been around for an order of magnitude longer than you have? I wouldn't either! Neither Mark seems to have any ability to empathize, even with another version of himself.

My prediction for next season is this will be the main source of tension: how do they take down Lumon, stop them from kidnapping people and treating innies poorly, but without killing all the existing innies?

Another interesting question they begin to dig into this season and I expect they'll dig into further next season is "how different is an innie from their outie"? Helly insists to Mark that she is her outie, and she seemed to really believe it. There are a lot of signs that the innie is basically the outie without all their baggage and trauma. But how much of who you are is all that stuff?

Onto Gemma's rescue: I loved everything about it! Dylan coming in to save the day - he IS a badass! I hope his outie can find that in himself again someday. The goat lady saving Mark was great too. (I'm glad they kinda addressed the goats, but are they really just being sacrificed? I wonder if there's anything deeper going on there.) That poor woman. No wonder she's so fucking weird and kinda scary.

Accidentally shooting Drummond was absolutely hilarious. Love it, no notes.

So I listed as the top thing I wanted resolved as Gemma's fate. The ending is definitely borderline and leaves room for her to be recaptured by Lumon, but IMO she will get out at the beginning of the next season. But Mark and Devon won't be able to use it to go after Lumon because of the innies. Maybe she will take off and it'll take some time for them to even find her because she didn't understand why Mark chose Helly, but she'll escape Lumon's grasp.

Tommy Boy doesn't seem to be happy with innie Mark making that choice, but I don't blame him. He got Gemma out. He did his part. He can't be expected to simply leave the person he loves. He already took a huge risk doing as much as he did. The two of them obviously can't hide on the severed floor forever, but I hope they figure something out. It seems like Helly's Dad might decide to let her innie out more, though.

Here's my only real complaint: we still don't have the slightest idea why they are testing putting so many consciousnesses into one person! Cold Harbor was just another one? Nothing special about it?? What did Lumon care if they could test it with 25 instead of just 24? That's not enough for whatever they're trying to do?! There was no reveal here at all! The only hint was the doctor guy yelling "no, you'll kill them all!" Was he referring to all of Gemma's innies, or...?

Overall I think I'm excited for the next season.

 

[Quagmire]

I enjoyed how they wrapped it up.

Spoiler: Season finale spoilers

My favorite aspect of this show is the ethical concerns: Devon wants to take down Lumon for kidnapping Gemma and treating innies poorly. This seems reasonable, of course. However, it never even occurs to her that it's effectively killing all the innies and they might not want that. Even reintegrating is maybe not something they'd want. Would you want your consciousness to be combined with another that's been around for an order of magnitude longer than you have? I wouldn't either! Neither Mark seems to have any ability to empathize, even with another version of himself.

My prediction for next season is this will be the main source of tension: how do they take down Lumon, stop them from kidnapping people and treating innies poorly, but without killing all the existing innies?

Another interesting question they begin to dig into this season and I expect they'll dig into further next season is "how different is an innie from their outie"? Helly insists to Mark that she is her outie, and she seemed to really believe it. There are a lot of signs that the innie is basically the outie without all their baggage and trauma. But how much of who you are is all that stuff?

Onto Gemma's rescue: I loved everything about it! Dylan coming in to save the day - he IS a badass! I hope his outie can find that in himself again someday. The goat lady saving Mark was great too. (I'm glad they kinda addressed the goats, but are they really just being sacrificed? I wonder if there's anything deeper going on there.) That poor woman. No wonder she's so fucking weird and kinda scary.

Accidentally shooting Drummond was absolutely hilarious. Love it, no notes.

So I listed as the top thing I wanted resolved as Gemma's fate. The ending is definitely borderline and leaves room for her to be recaptured by Lumon, but IMO she will get out at the beginning of the next season. But Mark and Devon won't be able to use it to go after Lumon because of the innies. Maybe she will take off and it'll take some time for them to even find her because she didn't understand why Mark chose Helly, but she'll escape Lumon's grasp.

Tommy Boy doesn't seem to be happy with innie Mark making that choice, but I don't blame him. He got Gemma out. He did his part. He can't be expected to simply leave the person he loves. He already took a huge risk doing as much as he did. The two of them obviously can't hide on the severed floor forever, but I hope they figure something out. It seems like Helly's Dad might decide to let her innie out more, though.

Here's my only real complaint: we still don't have the slightest idea why they are testing putting so many consciousnesses into one person! Cold Harbor was just another one? Nothing special about it?? What did Lumon care if they could test it with 25 instead of just 24? That's not enough for whatever they're trying to do?! There was no reveal here at all! The only hint was the doctor guy yelling "no, you'll kill them all!" Was he referring to all of Gemma's innies, or...?

Overall I think I'm excited for the next season.

I did like his decision

innie mark doesn't really know her and he knows helly