This is sort of what I was getting at with cover ups. Because this can't be placated off as "racism in America" it was held silent until the investigation completed. This would have been reported in November had the cop been white, I'm sure of it. Here. they were able to wait till the body cam footage had to be released post investigation.
Yep, dude just doesn't have the guts to handle those situations adequately. Not standing here saying I'd be good in that situation, either, I know I'm a coward, lol, but I also don't carry or have a job that requires me to be in situations where gunfire is a distinct possibility. He does, and he clearly should not have ever been in that situation.
If the only video was the body cam, maybe that's why it wasn't in the news earlier? I feel like usually the police deny everything until a video a witness took starts making the rounds and contradicting them, and then the story blows up. I'm sure even white cops get away with tons of bullshit that nobody happened to record.
No kidding. He should be charged with a crime, and instead he isn't even fired from his job. The department needs to review their hiring and training procedures at a minimum.
The entirety of the footage Mark posted was body cam. The one I saw last week started when he was walking next to the car. It just missed the convo with the girlfriend that gives context to the crime. It was a non-violent crime and there was no resisting. All that context was just missed. The concept was the same though.
Really?! If any person who wasn't a cop had done such a thing, you don't think they'd be in jail? It's fundamentally no different than scared people who shoot strangers turning around in their driveway or ringing their doorbell. There was no threat, and being a coward isn't a valid reason to shoot at an innocent person. Being a bad shot doesn't make it any better.
I don't disagree with the sentiment of course, but we do have to remember he IS a cop, and it IS during an arrest, and stupid or not, he legit did have a "reasonable" fear for his life. I disagree with his method and... rolling into the middle of the street... but if in the off chance he WAS being shot at, it's considered defense.
Mmm, I see where you're coming from, but I think I still disagree. The arrest was done, and there had been no violence or resistance. He was in no more danger of being shot in that moment than any other random person on the street would be. There are certainly cases where a cop could shoot someone in the moment who turned out not to be a real threat, and the action could be seen as reasonable in the moment. This is not one of them. We cannot say "if you're a cop and you hear a loud noise, it's legal to unload your gun wherever." There is no other situation where that would be seen as remotely reasonable. I'd bet money even our soldiers in war zones don't get away with that.
Yep. "No cops" is also problematic for obvious reasons, but I'm not convinced they do more good than harm overall. There's got to be a better solution.
Speaking as the son of a former police officer and thus saw the change happen gradually as politics became more and more weaponized and divisive: Its not just that (though that SURELY plays a part), but also just the general "culture war" that has led police to think they're basically in a warzone every day, when by the numbers its a relatively safe job.
Don't you have D&D to moderate?
Apparently neither of you are fully grasping the concept of, "I agree with you, but let's agree to disagree" on the "it's a crime part."
I think situation demands that. I do not think they are immune. I called for Derek Chauvin's head immediately. That asshole shouldn't have even gone to prison.
I think with Chauvin the fact there were three others that didn't do anything to stop him and the fact that it's common knowledge that you don't cut off airway for 9 minutes especially when HE'S NOT MOVING OR RESISTING warranted the same thing happening to him. I've actually said that if you're gonna murder someone you should be murdered in the same way... but that's neither here nor there.
What if people who are not cops truly believe their lives are in danger? Are they also allowed to start blasting acorns when they're startled?
Misdemeanor crimes are still crimes, so I think we actually agree but are just using different terms. I don't think he needs to go away for life, and I agree the lack of malice is a mitigating factor. IMO the most important consequence for him should be having his access to firearms removed. Cop or not, that guy needs to never touch a gun again. Also maybe some therapy, it can't be healthy to be that jumpy!
Sadly, this is something that can't be just flat out answered. Most of us do not work inherently violent jobs where that's a daily risk. But in a silo, yes, people have the right to defend themselves. The standard is equal force. So if someone is coming at you with their fists, you shouldn't be pulling out a gun to shoot them. Whether we like it or not, I think cops have different standards... like the military.
We probably are. Yes misdemeanor crimes are indeed crimes, but I was always referencing criminal charges, felonies, specifically, where manslaughter, murder and the like fall into. To which I believe this doesn't rise to THAT level.
While I understand your concept, I do not think that's accurate unless you're looking at it in a microscope. Or with some filter on it. Like I know logging workers are consistently one of the most dangerous jobs in America, but for a TOTALLY different reason than police.
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I found this site which has a link to some stats page to back up its claim: https://www.hanningsacchetto.com/bl...-than-construction-workers-or-police-officers
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If you talk to anybody who has delivered pizza for a while, they'll almost certainly have stories to tell you about being robbed.
Here's another list which seems like it comes from the same ultimate source, and it lists both garbage collectors and delivery drivers as more dangerous than cops. It's mostly transportation accidents for them both, but the other site says 17% are due to violence for delivery drivers. Looking at the numbers between the two, it seems like the violence for delivery drivers is just getting drowned out by the accident rate, and it's significantly dangerous in both ways (17% of delivery drivers deaths is more than the total number of cop deaths)
Top 25 most dangerous jobs in the United States
Roofers, power lineman, construction jobs are among the most dangerous jobs in the United States based on data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries and studied by AdvisorSmith.
