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I think this is the most devastating thing I've read yet, she is my favourite character.
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Multi Pain. Nothing but Pain. (Dragon Age Thread)
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They should insert a scene like on Family Guy where Peter just says "Roadhouse" after punching someone. Just have Rook kill someone and the camera zooms in to his face... "Veilguard"
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a few more random thoughts
I sure wish the music was better. There might be some sort of finale crescendo that I haven't reached yet. I still remember some DAO stuff and certainly the main Inquisition music.
Who was the absolute degenerate person who hired the VA beast that is Matt Mercer and gave him the role of Manfred who only speaks in hissing noises
Despite what I said earlier, I decided to romance Emmerich. I hate myself. I am doing this because I heard this is the sweetest romance for the dude side. I find myself pressing the romance dialog option and then skipping whatever his answer is. Have I mentioned I hate myself. He's like a kindly older professor.
Jesus I hope there's no sex scene
Also
Get this guys
Get this
Remember the Italian guy...I mean the not-Italian-Italian guy
Well
Are you ready
THEY FUCKING MADE HIM THE CAMP CHEF
THE ITALIAN-CODED GUY LIKES TO COOK
Have I mentioned he likes coffee...have I mentioned that
I sure wish the music was better. There might be some sort of finale crescendo that I haven't reached yet. I still remember some DAO stuff and certainly the main Inquisition music.
Who was the absolute degenerate person who hired the VA beast that is Matt Mercer and gave him the role of Manfred who only speaks in hissing noises
Despite what I said earlier, I decided to romance Emmerich. I hate myself. I am doing this because I heard this is the sweetest romance for the dude side. I find myself pressing the romance dialog option and then skipping whatever his answer is. Have I mentioned I hate myself. He's like a kindly older professor.
Jesus I hope there's no sex scene
Also
Get this guys
Get this
Remember the Italian guy...I mean the not-Italian-Italian guy
Well
Are you ready
THEY FUCKING MADE HIM THE CAMP CHEF
THE ITALIAN-CODED GUY LIKES TO COOK
Have I mentioned he likes coffee...have I mentioned that
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Yes, I am still playing it. I think I am playing it because of nostalgia. I've been planning to write a thing up about it once I am done. But I'm not young anymore where I could play something like eight hours a day. So I haven't finished it and am trying to do mostly all of it.
That's not quite true though. Some of it is because of my responsibilities but some of it is because...I'm not hanging on the edge of my seat wanting to see what happens next. I mean I am (with Solas) but not with the other parts. Some days I play an hour and I'm like, that's fine for today.
I don't want to quite say any thoughts about it until I am finished. What I suspect is that the last few hours are going to be the "good part." But you shouldn't have to go through 80% of the game just to get to the good part. On the other hand, I think it's sort of a miracle there is a game at all because of the decade of development hell and the people who left.
I think you should play this if you are a hardcore DA fan, and especially a Solas fan, like me, but you don't mind the change in combat style. If you want me to put a stake in the ground. I'll have more thoughts once I'm done. Trying like hell to avoid spoilers.
That's not quite true though. Some of it is because of my responsibilities but some of it is because...I'm not hanging on the edge of my seat wanting to see what happens next. I mean I am (with Solas) but not with the other parts. Some days I play an hour and I'm like, that's fine for today.
I don't want to quite say any thoughts about it until I am finished. What I suspect is that the last few hours are going to be the "good part." But you shouldn't have to go through 80% of the game just to get to the good part. On the other hand, I think it's sort of a miracle there is a game at all because of the decade of development hell and the people who left.
I think you should play this if you are a hardcore DA fan, and especially a Solas fan, like me, but you don't mind the change in combat style. If you want me to put a stake in the ground. I'll have more thoughts once I'm done. Trying like hell to avoid spoilers.
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It's like a mix between a version of your DnD campaign that is directed by corpos and a poor man's version of newer God of War if that helps. (lol)
Edit: just saw TD's bump in the FFXVI thread. That's timely IMO. Another game with a history of a party system that pivoted to action and the others are not full combat PCs.
Edit: just saw TD's bump in the FFXVI thread. That's timely IMO. Another game with a history of a party system that pivoted to action and the others are not full combat PCs.
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Well, about a month and a half after release, I finally beat the game.
I'll first talk about combat and that'll be non-spoilery, and then I'll talk about the story/writing.
So, my conclusion is that I did have fun playing the game. I finished at about 75 hours. I'm not filled with total hatred towards it like some online reviewers (who probably ham that up for clicks/views). A huge part of me is just appreciative that we got anything at all, this took like a decade with a complete redo and several major people in the company leaving. This could have been much, much worse.
The combat reminded me a LOT of the new God of Wars, like I mentioned earlier. The companions act similar to Atreus and do chip damage, which is not something I'm used to when I think about DA.
The problem is--just like GoW--the combat can't last 75 hours. IMO, the part when I liked the combat the most is when I maxed out my kit and stopped trying to time blocks. But it obviously takes awhile to get there. I played a warrior and absolutely maxed out my defense. Most of the time I wasn't appearing to take any damage. I was actually confused about that for awhile. Unfortunately, nothing became a challenge anymore. Not even the major optional boss was a challenge (I was playing on the normal gameplay difficulty).
There are SO many adds. Especially for bosses. The end of Act 1 boss is just garbage. That battle just kept going on, and on.
Other times, I never had a chance to act because too many AoE rings were in front of me. This rarely happened, but it did happen.
I appreciated that we could walk through companions now (holy shit! This is major!)
The puzzles...I can see they took the backlash from the shards from Inquisition and went too far in the opposite direction. There were many times I felt like they were treating my intelligence like a child. This also happened during dialogue points where companions repeated information about the mission I was already well aware about. Anyway, with the puzzles I think there needs to be a balance between Inquisition frustrating and Veilguard easy.
Anyway, I think I made it to 75 hours because I am such a DA fan. I don't believe I will replay this game. When I have replayed all the other games. I'm not sure if they are planning DLC, or what.
Anyway, the story...
This is Solas
I'll first talk about combat and that'll be non-spoilery, and then I'll talk about the story/writing.
So, my conclusion is that I did have fun playing the game. I finished at about 75 hours. I'm not filled with total hatred towards it like some online reviewers (who probably ham that up for clicks/views). A huge part of me is just appreciative that we got anything at all, this took like a decade with a complete redo and several major people in the company leaving. This could have been much, much worse.
The combat reminded me a LOT of the new God of Wars, like I mentioned earlier. The companions act similar to Atreus and do chip damage, which is not something I'm used to when I think about DA.
The problem is--just like GoW--the combat can't last 75 hours. IMO, the part when I liked the combat the most is when I maxed out my kit and stopped trying to time blocks. But it obviously takes awhile to get there. I played a warrior and absolutely maxed out my defense. Most of the time I wasn't appearing to take any damage. I was actually confused about that for awhile. Unfortunately, nothing became a challenge anymore. Not even the major optional boss was a challenge (I was playing on the normal gameplay difficulty).
There are SO many adds. Especially for bosses. The end of Act 1 boss is just garbage. That battle just kept going on, and on.
Other times, I never had a chance to act because too many AoE rings were in front of me. This rarely happened, but it did happen.
I appreciated that we could walk through companions now (holy shit! This is major!)
The puzzles...I can see they took the backlash from the shards from Inquisition and went too far in the opposite direction. There were many times I felt like they were treating my intelligence like a child. This also happened during dialogue points where companions repeated information about the mission I was already well aware about. Anyway, with the puzzles I think there needs to be a balance between Inquisition frustrating and Veilguard easy.
Anyway, I think I made it to 75 hours because I am such a DA fan. I don't believe I will replay this game. When I have replayed all the other games. I'm not sure if they are planning DLC, or what.
Anyway, the story...
This is Solas
Literally EVERYTHING wrong with this universe is his fault!
The existence of the veil? His fault
The circumstance of the elves? His fault
The existence of darkspawn/the blight? His fault
The extinction of the titans? You guessed it
The writing is not good. I liked one of the Youtube reviewers, I forget which one, that said something like: this game's dialogue plays out like HR is standing in the room. That's SO true. Rook has no personality and avoids conflict.
It's SO hard not to compare this to BG3 too. I only pray they learned something from BG3, that people WANT honest to god RPGs in the year 2025. But yeah, of course in BG3 you could be a total bastard, almost nothing was off limits.
Another thing BG3 did well was integrating the companion's stories into the main story. Some of their quests fit into the main quest. But that doesn't really happen here. I just hope Bioware pays attention. I remember so many times I ended up skipping dialogue because it's badly written and I...just...didn't...care
Oh yeah: remember that section in Inquisition when Haven is destroyed? The Inquisitor is separated from the party and needs to catch up in the snow.
Well anyway, you eventually find everyone. After brief conversation, Mother Giselle starts to sing that Inquisition theme song. Then Lelianna picks it up and eventually everyone joins in. That is supposed to be a powerful moment of your team rallying behind you.
That NEVER happens here. No one asks about you. Also, the music isn't memorable. I was walking through Dock Town and was trying to figure out why I didn't really care about Dock Town. And I think at least some of it is because, there's not really a theme song to give it its own flavor. The game didn't do anything to make me really fall in love with the areas.
The first "major" choice is so stupid. I'm NOT the inquisitor, I'm just a person. Where is the Minrathous from the story prior to this game? The army of mages? The city defenses? And yet somehow it's all MY fault that the city is destroyed. It's REALLY dumb.
Much later on, you have a choice of which character to send as a distraction. I was spoiled here inadvertently and knew whoever I sent would be killed. I literally sent the person I had been so annoyed by it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'm guessing that is not what they were going for there.
I also hate, hate, hate what they ended up doing with Varric.
Lastly, Solas. I think the writers had a bit of a problem with him. He was meant to be the big reveal big bad from the last game, but then people ended up loving him. So he did terrible things, but it's like...aw shucks, that scamp. Solas again! We forgive you, Solas.
ESPECIALLY the ending! Literally the WHOLE REASON why I played this game is because I wanted to see what would happen with him and the Inquisitor. He treated her so indifferently. There were no signs of her AT ALL in the Lighthouse. Literally everything he does, makes it worse. In their ending, he walks in front of her into the Fade. Not even holding her hand. He's so, so toxic for this relationship! Feels like I waited ten fucking years for NOTHING.
The voice actors gave it their all, though. I can't fault them for the writing.
I think at this point there should be some kind of canon-reset, if they even decide to continue the series. Just fucking start over. I don't think I'll buy another unless I see a lot of changes, which is so, so, sad. I loved this series.
I have more things to say but it's late. I could make a whole post just about the companions. I also acknowledge that I think I'm the only one of the forums who is into the series this much.
The existence of the veil? His fault
The circumstance of the elves? His fault
The existence of darkspawn/the blight? His fault
The extinction of the titans? You guessed it
The writing is not good. I liked one of the Youtube reviewers, I forget which one, that said something like: this game's dialogue plays out like HR is standing in the room. That's SO true. Rook has no personality and avoids conflict.
It's SO hard not to compare this to BG3 too. I only pray they learned something from BG3, that people WANT honest to god RPGs in the year 2025. But yeah, of course in BG3 you could be a total bastard, almost nothing was off limits.
Another thing BG3 did well was integrating the companion's stories into the main story. Some of their quests fit into the main quest. But that doesn't really happen here. I just hope Bioware pays attention. I remember so many times I ended up skipping dialogue because it's badly written and I...just...didn't...care
Oh yeah: remember that section in Inquisition when Haven is destroyed? The Inquisitor is separated from the party and needs to catch up in the snow.
Well anyway, you eventually find everyone. After brief conversation, Mother Giselle starts to sing that Inquisition theme song. Then Lelianna picks it up and eventually everyone joins in. That is supposed to be a powerful moment of your team rallying behind you.
That NEVER happens here. No one asks about you. Also, the music isn't memorable. I was walking through Dock Town and was trying to figure out why I didn't really care about Dock Town. And I think at least some of it is because, there's not really a theme song to give it its own flavor. The game didn't do anything to make me really fall in love with the areas.
The first "major" choice is so stupid. I'm NOT the inquisitor, I'm just a person. Where is the Minrathous from the story prior to this game? The army of mages? The city defenses? And yet somehow it's all MY fault that the city is destroyed. It's REALLY dumb.
Much later on, you have a choice of which character to send as a distraction. I was spoiled here inadvertently and knew whoever I sent would be killed. I literally sent the person I had been so annoyed by it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'm guessing that is not what they were going for there.
I also hate, hate, hate what they ended up doing with Varric.
Lastly, Solas. I think the writers had a bit of a problem with him. He was meant to be the big reveal big bad from the last game, but then people ended up loving him. So he did terrible things, but it's like...aw shucks, that scamp. Solas again! We forgive you, Solas.
ESPECIALLY the ending! Literally the WHOLE REASON why I played this game is because I wanted to see what would happen with him and the Inquisitor. He treated her so indifferently. There were no signs of her AT ALL in the Lighthouse. Literally everything he does, makes it worse. In their ending, he walks in front of her into the Fade. Not even holding her hand. He's so, so toxic for this relationship! Feels like I waited ten fucking years for NOTHING.
The voice actors gave it their all, though. I can't fault them for the writing.
I think at this point there should be some kind of canon-reset, if they even decide to continue the series. Just fucking start over. I don't think I'll buy another unless I see a lot of changes, which is so, so, sad. I loved this series.
I have more things to say but it's late. I could make a whole post just about the companions. I also acknowledge that I think I'm the only one of the forums who is into the series this much.