Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 4 part 2

[TD]

Shouldn't we shoot Vash if we're worried he's the fool? Or are we trusting Ben to definitely take Vash with him?

There's a lot of trickle down info that can come from this (note: Vash has since clarified he's not implied Aura Seer but Sheriff).

Killing Ben who takes someone with him gives us the most information.

So here is where we are at:

Jawmeh sees red on Alu and Ben.
Vash claims he saw Evil on Ben and Quagmire.

My thought process says shoot Ben and have him avenge kill Vash. If Vash is indeed an aura seer, we kill Quagmire.

If Ben is a normal avenger, we kill Alu.

Most people seem to believe Jawneh so it seems to make the most sense.

 

[VashTheStampede]

They cut my pizza poorly and this slice is REAL big

 

[TD]

And if both Alu and Ben turn out to be townies - Jawneh ends up being a liar because there's no way to get false red.

See? So much info.

 

[Kat]

What if Ben is evil and doesn't kill Vash (either because he can't or because he chooses to kill somebody else)? Technically, they could both be wolves, all I know for sure is Vash isn't town.
The rest is just vibes.

 

[Kat]

Or worse, what if Vash is HH and Ben is his target? I feel like if we shoot Vash then Ben will be safe to lynch. Or at least we'll know why Vash was pointing fingers at him.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Nah like 3 of y'all think I'm a Fool so just don't lynch me and we're good

I'll keep telling y'all who the Badongs are and we the town wins!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Shoot Quagmire though

 

[Kat]

Nah like 3 of y'all think I'm a Fool so just don't lynch me and we're good

I'll keep telling y'all who the Badongs are and we the town wins!

You're awfully happy to live without being lynched for somebody who supposedly has being lynched as their win condition.

 

[TD]

I mean it's very possible - but no matter who Ben kills we would get more info.

If he's a wolf, he'll maybe take the solo killer or something with him if they know who it is.

If he's a townie, it's Alu or Vash he takes with him.

And if he's a wolf avenger, he has to die at some point and someone is going with him.

 

[VashTheStampede]

You're awfully happy to live without being lynched for somebody who supposedly has being lynched as their win condition.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

 

[VashTheStampede]

If he's a townie, it's Alu or Vash he takes with him.

or quagmire!

 

[Zell 17]

Or worse, what if Vash is HH and Ben is his target? I feel like if we shoot Vash then Ben will be safe to lynch. Or at least we'll know why Vash was pointing fingers at him.

Shooting Vash tells us nothing because Vash doesn't claim to have positive info. If we gun down Vash and he's the sheriff, it tells us nothing about Ben.

For me there are two people who need to make decisions based on their gut / the info given. dimmerwit, on who to shoot (I would recommend Ben). Ben, if he is a villager, on who to tag. I would recommend Alu or Jawneh. If you are a wolf, tag me

 

[Kat]

Shooting Vash tells us nothing because Vash doesn't claim to have positive info. If we gun down Vash and he's the sheriff, it tells us nothing about Ben.

For me there are two people who need to make decisions based on their gut / the info given. dimmerwit, on who to shoot (I would recommend Ben). Ben, if he is a villager, on who to tag. I would recommend Alu or Jawneh. If you are a wolf, tag me

Vash is NOT the sheriff. He is definitely not town.

 

[TD]

For me there are two people who need to make decisions based on their gut / the info given. dimmerwit, on who to shoot (I would recommend Ben). Ben, if he is a villager, on who to tag.

This is it right here really. And now, we wait.

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

Or worse, what if Vash is HH and Ben is his target? I feel like if we shoot Vash then Ben will be safe to lynch. Or at least we'll know why Vash was pointing fingers at him.

Ben can't be his target if Jawneh is telling the truth (unless Ben was masked by something like a shaman). I know you all have no reason to believe me on this, but with the red read and me knowing I'm town, Ben would need to be a wolf and therefore would be unable to be a headhunter target.

Also, if Vash has been cupided would he show up as not on the town's team?

 

[Kat]

If Vash is a fool then we can just ignore everything he said. If he's a HH then he's probably been trying to get a townie lynched, which would be good to know. And then you'd know I'm not the SK, since the illusionist has no way to tell what team Vash is on (although admittedly he's been pretty obvious about not being town). So it'd still be some info.

I'm not saying don't kill Ben, but what do we do tomorrow if we decide Quagmire is suspicious and Vash has been telling us to kill him? We can't safely lynch either of them.

 

[Kat]

Ben can't be his target if Jawneh is telling the truth

Color me skeptical about Jawneh being honest.

Also, if Vash has been cupided would he show up as not on the town's team?

I... am not sure. I assume not because coupled townies can still win with the town, but that's for @Benzine to clarify.

 

[TD]

Cupid'd players appear as their original team, only Instigator appears as a separate team.

 

[Jawneh]

Whatever is actually happening here, there's going to be words post game lol.

 

[Benzine]

Everything is going correctly.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm not saying don't kill Ben, but what do we do tomorrow if we decide Quagmire is suspicious and Vash has been telling us to kill him? We can't safely lynch either of them.

 

[TD]

The fact that dimmerwit still hasn't taken his shot tells me the poor guy is mulling it over.

Don't worry dimmer, no matter what you do - there's a badge for that.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok, new plan

We shoot Kat

That exonerates me

Then we lynch Quagmire

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm honestly not as sold on Ben being evil anymore really

 

[Ben]

The fact that dimmerwit still hasn't taken his shot tells me the poor guy is mulling it over.

Don't worry dimmer, no matter what you do - there's a badge for that.

Well he's English, so he's probably having trouble working out how to chamber the next round.

 

[VashTheStampede]

IM SORRY ALU

I'm not sold on Ben being badong

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok well Ben's reaction to that comment came off as "even BEN thinks he's badong" so nevermind

 

[canadaguy]

What if this thread is a bunch of wolves talkin shit trying to confuse the town

 

[Ben]

Ok well Ben's reaction to that comment came off as "even BEN thinks he's badong" so nevermind

I'm just very used to you being the reason I die in most games, so anything to the contrary just tickled my biscuits.

 

[Zell 17]

I'm not saying don't kill Ben, but what do we do tomorrow if we decide Quagmire is suspicious and Vash has been telling us to kill him? We can't safely lynch either of them.

Quagmire has offered no defense of himself. He’s been in the thread. If I’m the headhunter, PLEASE give me the guy who in two days can’t make any kind of claim

 

[Kat]

Quagmire has offered no defense of himself. He’s been in the thread. If I’m the headhunter, PLEASE give me the guy who in two days can’t make any kind of claim

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What if that has happened?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gee if only there was someone saying we should shoot him this whole time

 

[TD]

Call me crazy but if everyone is so concerned about a Headhunter, the easier solution would be to kill said Headhunter rather than trying to guess his target?

For all we know, if a Headhunter does exist, their target could also already be dead.

 

[Kat]

Gee if only there was someone saying we should shoot him this whole time

But if he's a HH target then he's town and we don't want to kill him.

 

[Kat]

Call me crazy but if everyone is so concerned about a Headhunter, the easier solution would be to kill said Headhunter rather than trying to guess his target?

For all we know, if a Headhunter does exist, their target could also already be dead.

That's up to dimmerwit since Vash could also be the fool, so we can't lynch him.

But yeah I agree we should kill Vash so we don't have to guess or potentially end the game with a bad lynch.

 

[TD]

Vash could be many things from my perspective right now.

 

[VashTheStampede]

That's up to dimmerwit since he could also be the fool, so we can't lynch him.

But yeah I agree we should kill Vash so we don't have to guess or potentially end the game with a bad lynch.

Or we could NOT waste our last bullet listening to this person who said I'm not a townie

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

So to recap:

Kut claims spirit seer and that either Christina or Dimmerwit (or both) is bad
Dimmerwit shoots kut, comes back Trickster
Jawneh claims to be upgraded from apprentice to spirit seer, without realizing what that means about Christina (his own words)
Christina is then lynched and comes back Trickster

So either Jawneh really didn't realize what he was saying about being upgraded in terms of Christina and he's a wolf who accidentally outed a partner (or he's cupided and didn't care about outing another wolf), he made the claim and got lucky that Christina was actually a wolf (or that there's a second trickster out there that also masked her), or he's who he says he is and is now a spirit seer.

He's made a mistake like that before, with claiming ritualist without realizing he wouldn't have a chance to talk to someone who had died prior to the day phase, and outed himself as a wolf. Could he have done it again? Sure. If he is a wolf, though, I'd lean into it more likely being there's a cupid out there and he just played dumb to accidentally out a wolf teammate. I still think it's more likely that he is who he says he is for once though.

Now we have Jawneh saying either Ben or I is a wolf (or both, technically), and I'm inclined to believe him about Ben. Vash is saying, without using powers, that both Ben and Quagmire are evils/bad dongs. That means he doesn't actually know for sure.

TD claims Local is safe to visit, but Local is now dead. If TD is real, then Local is either town or SV (I forgot this option earlier, red lady can visit the solo voter safely).

Kat is now claiming that Vash is not on the same team as the dead body.

The wolves have killed two strong roles in two days. A blind wolf would do a pretty good job at figuring this out. So...

Strong Roles:
Dead Body
FR
Dimmerwit

Regular Roles:
kut (most likely)
cg (guaranteed)
Jon (guaranteed)
Tommy (guaranteed)

Wolves:
Christina


Claims
Alu - Flowers
Ben - Avenger
Jawneh - Apprentice
Kat - Violinist
Quagmire - ???
TD - Red Lady
Vash - Sheriff
Zell - Bell Ringer

Local - Dead Protector


From my perspective, that leaves 3 town (I'm putting myself in the town bucket here). If Jawneh is telling the truth:
Jawneh = town
Ben = Wolf

Leaving 2 town spots left

If TD is telling the truth:
TD = town
Local = town or SV

Either 1 spot left or 0 spots left

If Kat is telling the truth:
Kat = town
Vash = wolf/SK/SV

(excluding TD from above)
1 spot left


If both Kat and TD are telling the truth, Local = SV and Vash = SK/wolf



This is a hell of a lot of Ifs though, and is not meant to be any sort of gospel. Best case scenario is local was the SV as Cupid, Ben gets shot as the Avenger wolf, takes out Vash as the SK, who takes out another wolf as his lover. I don't think it'll be so perfect though. But just wanted to get my thoughts out for what it looks like from my perspective at the moment.


Quagmire seems relatively guilty as of right now, but may not be. Zell is like me at the moment, not provable one way or the other.

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

Also of note in all of that:

Blind wolf could mean kat is a wolf trying to get SK Vash killed.

But again, just getting my thoughts on the matter out.

 

[TD]

The thing I'm trying to make sense of is Quagmire's silence. He's seen the thread, he's been online - but he has not said a word.

No one was muted yesterday.

We know the Corruptor is not in play, so does anyone want to claim they muted him?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok sorry Kat i didn't know you were a wolf when I said you could be arsonist

 

[Jawneh]

Jawneh claims to be upgraded from apprentice to spirit seer, without realizing what that means about Christina (his own words)
Christina is then lynched and comes back Trickster

So either Jawneh really didn't realize what he was saying about being upgraded in terms of Christina and he's a wolf who accidentally outed a partner (or he's cupided and didn't care about outing another wolf), he made the claim and got lucky that Christina was actually a wolf (or that there's a second trickster out there that also masked her), or he's who he says he is and is now a spirit seer.

I guess a minor clarification.

After kut was shot, there was the time between Benzine coming over and handling all the bureaucracy and passing me my spirit seer license. I did know if kut was telling the truth I'd get the gig, but the interesting and exciting part was that as he was shot during the day, I'd get the gig right away!

So I was excited about that revelation before settling down and realizing that kut was truthful about being a spirit seer and that his info was good. A lag in my brain clouded by upsurge of serotonin.

 

[Kat]

The thing I'm trying to make sense of is Quagmire's silence. He's seen the thread, he's been online - but he has not said a word.

No one was muted yesterday.

We know the Corruptor is not in play, so does anyone want to claim they muted him?

Didn't Alu say he had a role that could also be a wolf role?

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

Vash dropping on my post saying he could be SK

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash dropping on my post saying he could be SK

I mean, he COULD be

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

Didn't Alu say he had a role that could also be a wolf role?

It's been correctly figured out to be of the non-muting variety

 

[Kat]

It's been correctly figured out to be of the non-muting variety

Okay, I didn't see if there was confirmation of that or just guessing. Good to know.

 

[TD]

So there's either a Voodoo Wolf in hiding or we scared away Quagmire.

 

[Kat]

I wouldn't be going after the SK this early if I were a wolf.

 

[Acceptable User Murder]

So there's either a Voodoo Wolf in hiding or we scared away Quagmire.

Instructions unclear. Quagmire muted himself.