Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 1 Day 3

[Benzine]

Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

@Alubi
@Christina
@dimmerwit
@Fool's Requiem
@Jawneh
@Kat
@Local Hero
@shortkut
@Smacktard
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede
@Zell 17

And here are the roles:

Village team:
4x Random Strong Villagers
6x Random Regular Villagers

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
4x Random Wolves

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
1x Random Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The ritualist will have access to this forum at night. If you are revived by the ritualist, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).

 

[Benzine]

shortkut has died. He was killed by the Marksman. He was the Serial Killer.

Jawneh has died. He was killed by the wolves. He was the jailer.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Why did I bother visiting the SK if the Marksman was just going to kill him anyway? I feel like I wasted a night action. I gained no information I didn't already know...

At least I'm still alive... I guess...

um.... voting Tommy????

Really feel like the Wolves and/or Cupid couple are orchestrating some shit in the background.

 

[A Punched Face]

Wait wait wait. Shortkut wasn't the beast hunter?

 

[Local Hero]

Did fools sleep with more good people?

 

[Zell 17]

I’m shocked

 

[Local Hero]

Did fools sleep with more good people?

Missed his post above nevermind lol.

 

[Local Hero]

Hopefully my actions show I'm town even though it didn't actually prove anything

 

[A Punched Face]

Hopefully my actions show I'm town even though it didn't actually prove anything

I mean there's always the possibility of guardian wolf protecting another wolf, or as we learned last game, guardian wolf protecting a townie.

But for now I'll assume you don't eat people.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I redirected to shortkut like I said I would do. He’s the one who asked if SK could die from a redirect. I got him. I protected self and redirected to skortkut. Do not friggin vote for me.

 

[Tommy Boy]

So whoever the marksman is out there knows that I’m legit because I was their target.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I redirected to shortkut like I said I would do. He’s the one who asked if SK could die from a redirect. I got him. I protected self and redirected to skortkut. Do not friggin vote for me.

So you get a notification that your redirect worked?

 

[Tommy Boy]

So you get a notification that your redirect worked?

Yes. It says I'm the only one that will know my redirect was successful, but also, whoever took two actions to set their target and shoot me obviously knows I have to be the flagger to redirect an entire attack like that. I'm sure whoever the marksman is wouldn't want to reveal until after the second arrow is fired, though. But we really should not vote for me. I am useless tonight, though. My power doesn't work in consecutive nights.

 

[VashTheStampede]

If only that damn Cupid didn't exist, I'd feel a lot better about the Tommy situation lol

 

[Christina]

Some news for the village today. Smacktard will be busy. He's doing a reading of the dictionary for the homeless to help them sleep while staying out of the heat. I think his a really good guy for volunteering to do it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Some news for the village today. Smacktard will be busy. He's doing a reading of the dictionary for the homeless to help them sleep while staying out of the heat. I think his a really good guy for volunteering to do it.

That's a weird thing to make his little doll do but you do you, Voodoo

 

[Christina]

That's a weird thing to make his little doll do but you do you, Voodoo

At least I have a plausible townie job. With some evidence to back it up. What is your evidence of citizenship?

 

[VashTheStampede]

At least I have a plausible townie job. With some evidence to back it up. What is your evidence of citizenship?

I know of one confirmed townie and I'm sitting on that information until

(A) it can be used properly (possibly saving them from a lynching)

(B) I can feel better that they aren't coupled to a goddamn wolf

If it wasn't for Cupid being a thing I could have been more open earlier

I will say that my job doesn't have a direct wolf analog to hide behind unlike you or Local

 

[VashTheStampede]

I will say that my job doesn't have a direct wolf analog to hide behind unlike you or Local

This could have been worded better but I think everyone knows what I mean

 

[Christina]

Or you could be a wolf delaying anybody looking in your direction by dangling a carrot.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Or you could be a wolf delaying anybody looking in your direction by dangling a carrot.

We've had at least one conversation about me already

No one has talked about you at all, outside of the occasional namedrop...and if you're a wolf that would behoove  several people to avoid such conversation.

Honestly it's a bit worrisome.

 

[Christina]

What more can I say or prove than I already have. From day one I've been showing everybody my books. I picked a random number first night. Pick Alu second, because Alu is always sus to me and the more he talks the more sus he seems. Could be a trama response left over from my more wild days. But Alu hasn't really shared any sort occupation either, so my day 3 strategy is, everybody should have some sort if job claimed, at least vaguely. Make the wolves work for their hiding place. Right now that Alu, Kat, Smacktard, and you. You've given us some kind of vague job that you've been up to. Smacktard is busy today. Let's hear what Alu and Kat do around this town.

Not that and can fact check me, but have looked up nothing about wolf roles and didn't know or remember about a wolf who could keep people quiet. How do wolves use a voodoo doll? They have no hands.

 

[Tommy Boy]

W

hell yeah

 

[VashTheStampede]

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hell yeah

Whoo I'm glad you caught that because I forgot it was coming and I'm about to fuck it up WITH MEMES

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Tommy Boy]

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you sob this is great

 

[Fool's Requiem]

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It was YOU?! I was worried that Zell was going to get lynched because I couldn't tell the town that he was a good bean because some meany muted me.

 

[Local Hero]

I will say that my job doesn't have a direct wolf analog to hide behind unlike you or Local

 

[Local Hero]

Voting Christina because she's evil.

 

[Christina]

Alu has got all day. I'm not in a hurry.

I would say the librarian would be a good lynch for the wolves to push. Can't hurt them at night. Is an inconvenience to well...everybody. nice to get ride of but not waste a night kill on. Town inclined to help because is annoying to them too if the librarian is bad at picking wolves.

Sorry Fool's you were the random number picked. You did a great job on that mural in the kid's section though and I think your community service is done. Though you are free to service the community if you want. Your body, your choice. Be safe out there.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Though you are free to service the community if you want. Your body, your choice. Be safe out there.

I am traumatized after walking into Erik's abode and finding not only an arrow through his heart, but pictures of our town population and a copy of Industrial Society and Its Future on his desk.

I may never recover.

 

[Kat]

Yes [I was notified my redirect worked]. It says I'm the only one that will know my redirect was successful, but also, whoever took two actions to set their target and shoot me obviously knows I have to be the flagger to redirect an entire attack like that. I'm sure whoever the marksman is wouldn't want to reveal until after the second arrow is fired, though. But we really should not vote for me. I am useless tonight, though. My power doesn't work in consecutive nights.

Uhh, you sure about that?

Flagger
Aura: Unknown
At night, can select any player to protect (including themselves) and a player to target. Must select both or neither. Any normal (i.e., non-berserk) night attacks by evil/solo players against the protected player will be redirected to the targeted player. Wolf attacks can kill wolves and solo attacks can kill solos if their attacks are redirected to themselves. Wolf attacks still cannot kill solos. The flagger can successfully redirect up to two attacks per game. The flagger cannot redirect attacks in consecutive nights. The village will NOT be notified that an attack has been redirected. The flagger will know if their redirect is successful.

A marksman attack wouldn't be redirected.

Voting Tommy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

One of these days I'm gonna start reading these fucking rules holy crap

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Uhh, you sure about that?


A marksman attack wouldn't be redirected.

Voting Tommy.

@Zell 17 , you made the rules. What say you regarding this?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Uhh, you sure about that?


A marksman attack wouldn't be redirected.

Voting Tommy.

Almost entirely certain benzine fucked that up then, because I got a message saying my redirect to shortkut was successful.

Edit: yeah I think benzine knows enough about wolf to not miss that important detail. I think below is what happened after thinking about it:

Unless the marksman actually killed shortkut, and shortkut’s actual target was me? The flagger redirect comes before the marksman shot and the SK kill. I’m told my redirect is successful, I.e the solo probably targeted me, but because the marksman shot happens before the SK kill, my action could still be successful. The marksman and I just must have both picked shortkut. That’s the only thing I can think of. I am telling the truth.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Let’s say the marksman didn’t target shortkut. My redirect would have killed him and the death message would have said “shortkut was killed by the serial killer. He was the serial killer”. But because the marksman got the shot off before the SK can kill, the marksman got the credit.

 

[Kat]

Almost entirely certain benzine fucked that up then, because I got a message saying my redirect to shortkut was successful.

Unless the marksman actually killed shortkut, and shortkut’s actual target was me? The flagger redirect comes before the marksman shot and the SK kill. I’m told my redirect is successful, I.e the solo probably targeted me, but because the marksman shot happens before the SK kill, my action could still be successful. The marksman and I just must have both picked shortkut. That’s the only thing I can think of. I am telling the truth.

So first you "forgot" to use your ability to protect a known townie with a bullet left and now Benzine "fucked up" and redirected an attack he shouldn't have?

This is feeling as believable as "I'm a useless beast hunter".

 

[Tommy Boy]

So first you "forgot" to use your ability to protect a known townie with a bullet left and now Benzine "fucked up" and redirected an attack he shouldn't have?

This is feeling as believable as "I'm a useless beast hunter".

I don’t think benzine fucked up, I think what happened is my explanation below

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm staring at my phone reading all this and thinking "I don't know if I'm smart enough to know what the fuck is happening right now" and then I look over and Christina is looking at her phone and she says "sometimes I think I need a roadmap to understand this shit"

This has 100% been the extent of our offline interactions re: this game.

 

[Kat]

Unless the marksman actually killed shortkut, and shortkut’s actual target was me? The flagger redirect comes before the marksman shot and the SK kill. I’m told my redirect is successful, I.e the solo probably targeted me, but because the marksman shot happens before the SK kill, my action could still be successful. The marksman and I just must have both picked shortkut. That’s the only thing I can think of. I am telling the truth.

If the marksman killed kut then kut couldn't target you because he would be dead.

 

[Tommy Boy]

1. Night Phase Begins
2. Tommy Boy redirects to shortkut
3. Tommy Boy is told that this redirect is successful, but according to order of night actions, others actions have to occur before my redirect can make sense.
4. Marksman, who has been aiming at shortkut, fires arrow.
5. By the time the night order list gets to the SK’s action, the SK is dead.
6. If the SK was alive, the kill would go through towards the end, then get redirected to kill shortkut.

This is what happened. I understand how fucking crazy that sounds but this is all I have. I really can’t understand how or why I would have a successful redirect any other way.

 

[Tommy Boy]

If the marksman killed kut then kut couldn't target you because he would be dead.

Yeah he could. He would submit his actions just like everyone else. Actions don’t occur in order of submission.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Tommy Boy is told that this redirect is successful, but according to order of night actions, others actions have to occur before my redirect can make sense

I want to lynch you for mixing Third- and First-person.

 

[Kat]

Yeah he could. He would submit his actions just like everyone else. Actions don’t occur in order of submission.

Right. They occur in the order listed, and he would've been dead before his action occurred. Therefore it didn't happen.

I applaud you fighting so hard but c'mon, what you're claiming isn't possible.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Right. They occur in the order listed, and he would've been dead before his action occurred. Therefore it didn't happen.

I applaud you fighting so hard but c'mon, what you're claiming isn't possible.

Kat, we all PM our night actions when the night phase begins. If shortcut messages benzine to kill me, and the marksman submits their action right before the day phase opens up, shortkut will not get a PM saying his attack couldn’t happen because he was dead. He will just die.

 

[Tommy Boy]

My redirect is at the very top. All the night actions have to be reviewed that occur after mine to see if anyone is even attacking me in the first place. How else would a flagger redirect work?

 

[VashTheStampede]

My redirect is at the very top. All the night actions have to be reviewed that occur after mine to see if anyone is even attacking me in the first place. How else would a flagger redirect work?

Yeah but Cupid Couple Selection tells us that the rules are made up and the points don't matter

 

[Christina]

 

[Tommy Boy]

We can always let the guy with the gun decide, but I really don’t think the town can afford another villager death. I was already saved once and we probably shouldn’t let that go in vain.