Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version X: "I wanna be a blitzball" Day 1

[Dean]

Sorry, I'm getting tired and overanalyzing. I went through the roles and didn't see any cowardly traits at a glance.

I'll be on early enough to read and vote. Marking thread for myself here.

 

[Tubby23]

I took it as "all innocent villagers were cowering in their homes from the wolves". Which obviously isn't true.

I took it as that and extrapolated that if he is just a powerless townie he should be target two after a mafia member if we can find one. He never disagreed. Then Kelly defends him....

 

[Tubby23]

More accurately, I'm defending against a random pick by another player who seems to have just taken my idea but said "no mine", as I mentioned would happen here:

I'm not claiming it's my plan, I'm just claiming the target

 

[Kat]

Okay wait.

Kelly said don't pick him because people think he's the fool, even though I didn't really get that impression.

I had a list of two sus people and he was on it, and he told me to pick.

Is this some kinda reverse psychology thing or what?

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I took it as that and extrapolated that if he is just a powerless townie he should be target two after a mafia member if we can find one. He never disagreed. Then Kelly defends him....

Just gonna give you a heads up that we're very unlikely to find any mafia members.

 

[Smacktard]

I dunno, if I had to pick based on my own vibes, I'd say Kelly

I don't trust Kat anymore, simple as.

What rationale would I have for sticking my neck out like this trying to corral a bunch of cats when I could just rest on my laurels as a wolf and win the day's lynch?

I nominate @Benzine instead to choose a name.

 

[Tubby23]

Just gonna give you a heads up that we're very unlikely to find any mafia members.

 

[Jawneh]

I nominate @Benzine instead to choose a name.

I'll bite.... but only if you nominate Benzine to get lynched.

 

[Smacktard]

I'll bite.... but only if you nominate Benzine to get lynched.

I'm okay with this. Now we just need to bring the rest of the town onboard.

I still think shortkut is sus though

 

[Tubby23]

Explain to me why Benzine is a better target than Jumpman and I could be swayed.

 

[Jawneh]

Explain to me why Benzine is a better target than Jumpman and I could be swayed

1: it's Benzine
2:

That's should be enough.

 

[Tubby23]

1: it's Benzine
2:

That's should be enough.

Benzine and I are linked by our opposite side of the world link so I'm going to need a little more.

 

[Smacktard]

Explain to me why Benzine is a better target than Jumpman and I could be swayed.

Because Gwjumpman was specifically chosen by someone to lynch, for no discernible reason at all.

Jawneh has been trying to get Benzine lynched Day 1 since forever, so him selecting Benzine as a target has some history. It makes it less likely that Jawneh is headhunter and Benzine is the target, especially since the target is GIVEN to the headhunter, not SELECTED BY (I just looked this up).

Benzine seems like a neutral choice.

 

[Tubby23]

Because Gwjumpman was specifically chosen by someone to lynch, for no discernible reason at all.

Jawneh has been trying to get Benzine lynched Day 1 since forever, so him selecting Benzine as a target has some history. It makes it less likely that Jawneh is headhunter and Benzine is the target, especially since the target is GIVEN to the headhunter, not SELECTED BY (I just looked this up).

Benzine seems like a neutral choice.

That's logical. I'm in

 

[Jawneh]

...okay, slightly serious again, we actually will at best tie this vote unless we choose a wolf.

9 town votes
8 wolves

If whoever we pick is town, they can't vote themselves and will vote someone else. And if anyone else goes off script, then the wolf lynch goes through.

Though, in the end that might be the best case scenario actually. Although, if we do pick a townie then the wolves just have to vote that instead of their own choice. Bah.

Back to considering Benzine.

 

[Jawneh]

Benzine and I are linked by our opposite side of the world link so I'm going to need a little more.

We already know Benzine isn't a medium role, so what good is he really?

 

[Tubby23]

Honestly, it's unlikely that the we get the vote we want and more likely the wolves can use their coordination to best us. But worth trying.

 

[Tubby23]

We already know Benzine isn't a medium role, so what good is he really?

Could be a strong town role... could be a good random role....or of course could be a wolf we should kill

 

[Kat]

Benzine and I are linked by our opposite side of the world link so I'm going to need a little more.

I don't like how Benzine suggested a weak townie volunteer to be lynched.

I just went back and read Jump's posts, and they strike me more as new player posts than anything suspicious.

If whoever we pick is town, they can't vote themselves and will vote someone else. And if anyone else goes off script, then the wolf lynch goes through.

I think a tie is our best outcome, but I don't see it happening. Either we pick a townie and wolves go along with it, or not enough of us vote together. There's no way everyone actually does the thing we agree on.

 

[Smacktard]

Though, in the end that might be the best case scenario actually. Although, if we do pick a townie then the wolves just have to vote that instead of their own choice. Bah.

Doesn't matter though. They'll have a guaranteed lynch regardless.

We're actually 8v8 without RK and RV because Raine died.

But the RV and RK will be likely to vote with us out of self-preservation. My guess is they use the shadow vote to kill off the RK.

I'm voting @Benzine, and here's why:

I'll bite.... but only if you nominate Benzine to get lynched.

I'm okay with this. Now we just need to bring the rest of the town onboard.

I still think shortkut is sus though

Because Gwjumpman was specifically chosen by someone to lynch, for no discernible reason at all.

Jawneh has been trying to get Benzine lynched Day 1 since forever, so him selecting Benzine as a target has some history. It makes it less likely that Jawneh is headhunter and Benzine is the target, especially since the target is GIVEN to the headhunter, not SELECTED BY (I just looked this up).

Benzine seems like a neutral choice.

@TD
@Alu
@Tubby23
@Kat
@Jawneh
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Local Hero
@Jon
@Dean
@GwJumpman
@Fool's Requiem
@VashTheStampede

Tell me when you've voted for Benzine and I'll remove your name from the list.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Could be a strong town role... could be a good random role....or of course could be a wolf we should kill

Well a kiwi is a person, a bird, and a fruit. So Benzine is already good at being one of 3 things.

 

[TD]

Doesn't matter though. They'll have a guaranteed lynch regardless.

We're actually 8v8 without RK and RV because Raine died.

But the RV and RK will be likely to vote with us out of self-preservation. My guess is they use the shadow vote to kill off the RK.

I'm voting @Benzine, and here's why:




@TD
@Alu
@Tubby23
@Kat
@Jawneh
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Local Hero
@Jon
@Dean
@GwJumpman
@Fool's Requiem
@VashTheStampede

Tell me when you've voted for Benzine and I'll remove your name from the list.

Yes.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I'm super confused. First we were supposed to vote shortkut, then Jumpman, and now Benzine?!

 

[Smacktard]

I think a tie is our best outcome, but I don't see it happening. Either we pick a townie and wolves go along with it, or not enough of us vote together. There's no way everyone actually does the thing we agree on

Maybe, but we have to try. We managed to pull it off one game when the odds were incredibly tight.

 

[Kat]

My guess is they use the shadow vote to kill off the RK.

Why do you think that?

 

[TD]

Wolves using this day to try to get information and drive a narrative - but the town's out here just flat out like..

 

[Smacktard]

I'm super confused. First we were supposed to vote shortkut, then Jumpman, and now Benzine?!

Shortkut is a wolf, but no one trusts me
I don't trust anyone who floated gwjumpman as an idea
Benzine is a neutral-enough choice

 

[Local Hero]

Okay, I'll vote Benzine.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Why do you think that?

It makes sense. Only way to get rid of them and it hides all of their identities so we can't try to see who led the charge for it.

However, not very likely they already know who it is.

 

[Tubby23]

Doesn't matter though. They'll have a guaranteed lynch regardless.

We're actually 8v8 without RK and RV because Raine died.

But the RV and RK will be likely to vote with us out of self-preservation. My guess is they use the shadow vote to kill off the RK.

I'm voting @Benzine, and here's why:




@TD
@Alu
@Tubby23
@Kat
@Jawneh
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Local Hero
@Jon
@Dean
@GwJumpman
@Fool's Requiem
@VashTheStampede

Tell me when you've voted for Benzine and I'll remove your name from the list.

Done. You can tick me off

 

[Tubby23]

I just went back and read Jump's posts, and they strike me more as new player posts than anything suspicious.

I acknowledge that which still leaves me comfortable with Jumpman as second target.

 

[Kat]

Don't we keep saying part of why the wolves always lose is because the RK always dies early?

 

[Smacktard]

Why do you think that?

Because they have to kill the RK through either lynch or townie actions. Meanwhile, RK can accidentally wipe out a lot of the wolf team. Lynches and townie actions are unpredictable, and town often sides with RK over wolves. If the end of the game comes down to town, RK, and Wolf, there's no way the RK doesn't win IMO

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Kelly, all this jumping from target to target while there's a shadow vote is like a guaranteed way to make sure the votes are jumbled.

Which is exactly what the wolves want.

 

[Tubby23]

Wolves using this day to try to get information and drive a narrative - but the town's out here just flat out like..

 

[Local Hero]

Because they have to kill the RK through either lynch or townie actions. Meanwhile, RK can accidentally wipe out a lot of the wolf team. Lynches and townie actions are unpredictable, and town often sides with RK over wolves. If the end of the game comes down to town, RK, and Wolf, there's no way the RK doesn't win IMO

 

[Smacktard]

Don't we keep saying part of why the wolves always lose is because the RK always dies early?

That's what some people keep saying, but not killing the RK earlier has directly lead to me losing 3 games as a wolf before.

 

[Tubby23]

Kelly, all this jumping from target to target while there's a shadow vote is like a guaranteed way to make sure the votes are jumbled.

Which is exactly what the wolves want.

Smelly Kelly the wolf you say?

 

[Local Hero]

Kelly, all this jumping from target to target while there's a shadow vote is like a guaranteed way to make sure the votes are jumbled.

Which is exactly what the wolves want.

To be fair, there's still like 10 hours

 

[Kat]

Wolves using this day to try to get information and drive a narrative - but the town's out here just flat out like..

Who's your top two sus list?

 

[Kat]

To be fair, there's still like 10 hours

Most of that is during the night for most people though. And it only takes one person not voting with everybody else to let the wolves lynch who they want.

 

[TD]

Who's your top two sus list?

Top two?
Let me think cause right now I got 6 names to watch.

 

[Smacktard]

Kelly, all this jumping from target to target while there's a shadow vote is like a guaranteed way to make sure the votes are jumbled.

Which is exactly what the wolves want.

Blame everyone else for not going ahead with my shortkut idea in the first place


And anyway, we made up our mind and there's almost half a day left. I think we're good.

 

[Tubby23]

Blame everyone else for not going ahead with my shortkut idea in the first place


And anyway, we made up our mind and there's almost half a day left. I think we're good.

But the shortkut one falls into the shame logic as you have put my Jumpman lynch.

 

[Tubby23]

Top two?
Let me think cause right now I got 6 names to watch.

 

[TD]

Fuck it I can't order them.

Local, Kelly, Benzine, Alu, Fools, shortkut

 

[Smacktard]

But the shortkut one falls into the shame logic as you have put my Jumpman lynch.

I know, that's why I supported Jawneh's suggestion of Benzine as a compromise.

 

[Local Hero]

Fuck it I can't order them.

Local, Kelly, Benzine, Alu, Fools, shortkut

In other from last to most? I can live with this

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Smelly Kelly the wolf you say?

I don't know what to believe. I was leaning Headhunter since his call for us to vote for shortkut.

To be fair, there's still like 10 hours

true

Blame everyone else for not going ahead with my shortkut idea in the first place

I was on board.

And anyway, we made up our mind and there's almost half a day left. I think we're good.

I wouldn't feel confident in that simply because we can't see anyone's votes. We can all say "Yeah, I'm voting ______" but not vote that person knowing that only Zell will know who they voted for.

 

[Smacktard]

Fuck it I can't order them.

Local, Kelly, Benzine, Alu, Fools, shortkut

Four of my sus candidates are on that list
(and Benzine isn't one of them lmao)