Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 3 / Day 3

[A Maybe Baker]

Yeah - kut brought up a good point. If there is a shaman, then Kelly is innocent because there are no more wolf roles to go around. That's why Cole is arguing against Tommy being an aura seer at all - if Tommy is a seer, then either Cole is evil or the person he's been targeting all game (Kelly) has to be good as well.

Also:
Me: Seer Apprentice
Kelly: Librarian
Kut: Sheriff (I'm assuming you found nothing out last night)

So only one left to go.


Also, Kelly (@Smacktard so you get flagged in the post) - just reiterating since you may have skipped over it: if Cole comes back as "Regular Werewolf" there would be no reason to check Kat as that would mean she lied about protection on the first night. There are only two wolves in this game that could come up that way, the sorcerer and wolf fan, and Raposa already came up as one. Meaning the next one to do so is the wolf fan, and the only opportunity to have turned was the night Kat claimed needing to protect.

Anything else and she's fair game for needing to be verified.

 

[Tubby23]

Oh yeah fully acceptable why I should be looked at tonight and why swapping a vote to Tommy last night looks stupid (was stupid but I thought I was right).

 

[Smacktard]

If there is a shaman

Why do we think there's a shaman? Shouldn't the last wolf be alpha wolf? Tommy confirmed Local's aura is neutral.

Anything else and she's fair game for needing to be verified.

Fair point but I don't see anyone other than Kat OR Tubby who should be checked. If Cole *doesn't* turn up Random, then we're back too not knowing who to choose between the two of them.

 

[Smacktard]

Also didn't we agree that the most likely remaining wolf is Local as Alpha wolf?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Right yeah. I was mixing up guaranteed ones. But then that also means there wouldn't be an avenger either.

 

[shortkut]

Also didn't we agree that the most likely remaining wolf is Local as Alpha wolf?

Did you mark off Kat as wolf?

Yeah - kut brought up a good point. If there is a shaman, then Kelly is innocent because there are no more wolf roles to go around. That's why Cole is arguing against Tommy being an aura seer at all - if Tommy is a seer, then either Cole is evil or the person he's been targeting all game (Kelly) has to be good as well.

Also:
Me: Seer Apprentice
Kelly: Librarian
Kut: Sheriff (I'm assuming you found nothing out last night)

So only one left to go.


Also, Kelly (@Smacktard so you get flagged in the post) - just reiterating since you may have skipped over it: if Cole comes back as "Regular Werewolf" there would be no reason to check Kat as that would mean she lied about protection on the first night. There are only two wolves in this game that could come up that way, the sorcerer and wolf fan, and Raposa already came up as one. Meaning the next one to do so is the wolf fan, and the only opportunity to have turned was the night Kat claimed needing to protect.

Anything else and she's fair game for needing to be verified.

I am and I got nothing. I didn’t watch anyone night one because I was waiting for a message that night 0 was beginning. Then I watched you, then Tommy last night. I saw nothing

 

[Smacktard]

Did you mark off Kat as wolf?

We had 8 votes yesterday. We only had 7 villagers yesterday. We needed 6 votes.

Jon voted with us, and then as the thread ended, in a fit of hubris, p much admitted to being a wolf. If Jon had switched off, we would've had 7 votes. If Kat had switched off too, we still would've had enough votes to have it go through.

So I can't say for sure whether or not Kat is a wolf. It probably comes down to either her OR Tubby.

 

[Smacktard]

By the way @Tommy Boy since I know you're reading, there's a very obvious person to pick to check tonight between Kat and Tubby -- one check that, under the right circumstances, could eventually confirm both of their roles.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Sounds good, I'll check back in the morning.

Vote Cole & Skip

 

[Smacktard]

In my dreams you boss me round for fun.

But more seriously, I assume Kelly's intention with muting Local is that we would lynch him without delay? Do you agree.

Nope. I was going to mute Cole, but then I changed my mind because I thought Dean would kill him like I suggested. Raposa seemed like an obvious target to leave alive so that the town could rally around him again the next day. Then I thought about muting Jon, but I thought maybe Dean would take his bait and kill him instead. I felt either Local or Jawneh would be safe bets for a mute -- they both didn't vote with town, but were both not likely to be witch-killed. I chose Local because I was tired of reading Local's posts lol.

If Local really is the alpha, we save him for last.

I looked at the role dictionary because this post by Zell made me suspicious

I thought you said you never read the role dictionary?

Ooo, good catch, I didn't even notice that role was there.

Same lol, until later in Day 1, after I had already promised I could prove my role. I was in too deep though, and in a way it's lucky that I was the one that was with TD in the cell because in a sense it exonerated me. But the wolves being very blatant didn't hurt, either.

but Kelly leading a bandwagon he couldn't possibly know the result of has me suspicious still.

I admitted it was a gamble, but we needed unity. However, it was a gamble based on the wolves very blatantly lying and uniting around the same bogus talking points to try to cause confusion and sow doubt in the town. You guys thought you had numbers and could just bully at least one person in the town into voting wrong.

I'm not going to bother reading page 2 or 3 because I'm sure it's just more irrational speculation and weak rationalizations.

 

[Smacktard]

man my reaction score is really taking a hit by muting Local

 

[Tubby23]

Local the Hero we don't deserve

 

[Smacktard]

@Benzine What news from the land of the dead? Give us some laughs.

 

[Benzine]

All of them are seers and all searched Jawneh to say he’s a wolf

 

[Benzine]

I spent piss all time in there this morning given work and timings, and no point the first night.

 

[Smacktard]

All of them are seers and all searched Jawneh to say he’s a wolf

Tell us something we didn't know though

 

[Benzine]

Tell us something we didn't know though

The northernmost point of Brazil is closer to Canada than to the southernmost point of Brazil.

 

[Tubby23]

Tell us something we didn't know though

Australia's Capital city, Canberra, meant "woman's cleavage" in Aborigine and was named that because the city is cradled between two mountains.

 

[Smacktard]

Australia's Capital city, Canberra, meant "woman's cleavage" in Aborigine and was named that because the city is cradled between two mountains.

How did Bill Bryson overlook this beautiful lil factoid when he wrote about Canberra?

Take a fact, leave a fact:
Transnistria is the only "country" in the world that uses plastic coins.

 

[Tubby23]

How did Bill Bryson overlook this beautiful lil factoid when he wrote about Canberra?

Take a fact, leave a fact:
Transnistria is the only "country" in the world that uses plastic coins.

Switzerland prohibits the ownership of just one guinea pig

 

[shortkut]

We had 8 votes yesterday. We only had 7 villagers yesterday. We needed 6 votes.

Jon voted with us, and then as the thread ended, in a fit of hubris, p much admitted to being a wolf. If Jon had switched off, we would've had 7 votes. If Kat had switched off too, we still would've had enough votes to have it go through.

So I can't say for sure whether or not Kat is a wolf. It probably comes down to either her OR Tubby.

@Smacktard Did you miss this post by Kat

Fine, you got me, my hobbies are howling at the moon and eating Dean.

Skip.

 

[Smacktard]

There's one thing I still don't understand about how yesterday played out...

Instead of trying to push Alu or me as a target, why didn't Raposa come out and claim that Local's aura was actually red, and that Tommy was lying?

If the Local really is the alpha wolf, why didn't the wolves push the town towards voting for him? Vote for Local, use guardian wolf, the witch probably targets wolf and doesn't get a full kill, and it's probably game over for the town. Even if Local wasn't the guardian wolf, much of the town believed he was a wolf, and probably would've ended up voting off a townie, securing the game for the wolves.

The only thing I can think is that it's a serious misstep by the wolves. Any insight, anyone?

 

[shortkut]

I thought you said you never read the role dictionary?

Unless I have to. I do it rarely and then only for what I’m looking for

 

[Smacktard]

@Smacktard Did you miss this post by Kat

No, I didn't miss the post where she's toying with you. After reading the first page, both Tubby and Kat look suspect to me -- hence why I suggested Tommy check them. I'm confident on the other remaining wolves.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

There's one thing I still don't understand about how yesterday played out...

Instead of trying to push Alu or me as a target, why didn't Raposa come out and claim that Local's aura was actually red, and that Tommy was lying?

If the Local really is the alpha wolf, why didn't the wolves push the town towards voting for him? Vote for Local, use guardian wolf, the witch probably targets wolf and doesn't get a full kill, and it's probably game over for the town. Even if Local wasn't the guardian wolf, much of the town believed he was a wolf, and probably would've ended up voting off a townie, securing the game for the wolves.

The only thing I can think is that it's a serious misstep by the wolves. Any insight, anyone?

Generally speaking, in these games it's been fairly hard to come back from a "this person is evil" outing. The fact that no one really hopped on me at all after my simple explanation of what happened is still a little odd to me. I mean definitely glad the town got it figured out, but honestly normally it would have resulted in me getting lynched.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Especially odd since I had (and still have) nothing I can do to prove who I am.

 

[Smacktard]

Generally speaking, in these games it's been fairly hard to come back from a "this person is evil" outing.

True, but it was such a risky play when there was an easier one IMO. Local's credibility was low with the town, and the wolves selling out one of their own would've been a much easier feat. In the end, it probably would've boiled down to a lynch between either me, Tommy, or Local -- and the wolves win in any situation.

FWIW when I committed my vote to Raposa the first time, I was 50/50 on whether it was the right call. The way the wolves responded when votes started coming in just made me more and more sure of the outcome of our vote though.

Especially odd since I had (and still have) nothing I can do to prove who I am.

Committing to a role type right away helped IMO, but Raposa did that too. Notice how almost none of the wolves committed to a random role, though? The majority either didn't commit or committed to a guaranteed role. We now know it's impossible Jon is guaranteed.

Next, voting with the town gave you some credibility. But most importantly, it genuinely seemed like you were helping to direct the town and not just add to the confusion.

When I'm a baddie, I try to sell the town on an idea that makes sense from their perspective. When I was the Corruptor, I sold the idea that Vash and Christina were a couple and would try to doom either the wolves or the village, and that Vash was lying about my role. My sales pitch didn't work because Vash bluffed about how he knew my role, but I was right: Vash turned on the wolves the next day.

It doesn't make sense to sell the town on an idea that works against their best interests. It doesn't help to misrepresent reality.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Cole - 8 (shortkut, Kat, Tommy Boy, Benzine, Alu, Tubby23, Jawneh, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Jon, Cole)

No vote - 1 (Local Hero)

Votes to skip (10 required):

Skip - 6 (shortkut, Benzine, Tubby23, Jon, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)
No vote - 5 (Alu, Cole, Jawneh, Kat, Local Hero)

 

[Smacktard]

I mean, technically Local Hero can't vote to skip, so... Can we include him in the skip count?

@Local Hero Hit me with a thumbs up if yes, thumbs down if no. I promise nothing will happen to you.

 

[Zell 17]

I mean, technically Local Hero can't vote to skip, so... Can we include him in the skip count?

@Local Hero Hit me with a thumbs up if yes, thumbs down if no. I promise nothing will happen to you.

Eh we can deal with that if we get 9 skip votes

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Eh we can deal with that if we get 9 skip votes

Skip

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Cole - 8 (shortkut, Kat, Tommy Boy, Benzine, Alu, Tubby23, Jawneh, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Jon, Cole)

No vote - 1 (Local Hero)

Votes to skip (10 required):

Skip - 7 (shortkut, Benzine, Tubby23, Jon, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Alu)
No vote - 4 (Cole, Jawneh, Kat, Local Hero)

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I doubt we'll get the rest though. So we should keep theorizing on what's been happening.

 

[shortkut]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Cole - 8 (shortkut, Kat, Tommy Boy, Benzine, Alu, Tubby23, Jawneh, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Jon, Cole)

No vote - 1 (Local Hero)

Votes to skip (10 required):

Skip - 6 (shortkut, Benzine, Tubby23, Jon, Smacktard, Tommy Boy)
No vote - 5 (Alu, Cole, Jawneh, Kat, Local Hero)

Kat voted skip last night

 

[Zell 17]

@Local Hero you can PM me if you want to skip. You might enjoy being muted! I sure did.

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Cole - 8 (shortkut, Kat, Tommy Boy, Benzine, Alu, Tubby23, Jawneh, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Jon, Cole)

No vote - 1 (Local Hero)

Votes to skip (10 required):

Skip - 8 (shortkut, Benzine, Tubby23, Jon, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Alu, Kat)
No vote - 3 (Cole, Jawneh, Local Hero)

 

[A Maybe Baker]

You might enjoy being muted! I sure did.

I'm reading this as you enjoyed the fact that Local has been muted.

 

[shortkut]

I'm reading this as you enjoyed the fact that Local has been muted.

Add me to the list of those who enjoyed it too

 

[Smacktard]

I doubt we'll get the rest though. So we should keep theorizing on what's been happening.

If there's a guardian wolf today, it's likely game over. If that were the case, I don't see wolves working so hard today and yesterday to influence our vote.

Jon's throwaway comment makes me think he's avenger wolf, but if that's the case, Local can't be a wolf, but he voted against the town anyway, so he probably is.

It's possible that one non-townie voted against the town, but as it stood yesterday we had 7 votes + 1 wolf (Jon).

It really boils down to Kat vs Tubby at this point, and we have a surefire way of checking who's legit tonight... There's also the possibility that it's actually neither of them, which I'm sure we would also be able to find out. So until we find that out, it looks like lynches should be: Cole, Jon, Jawneh

Edit: swap Jawneh with Jon

 

[Local Hero]

Skip

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (5 required):

Cole - 8 (shortkut, Kat, Tommy Boy, Benzine, Alu, Tubby23, Jawneh, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Jon, Cole)

No vote - 1 (Local Hero)

Votes to skip (10 required):

Skip - 9 (shortkut, Benzine, Tubby23, Jon, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Alu, Kat, Local Hero)
No vote - 2 (Cole, Jawneh)

 

[Smacktard]

Skip

Quick, Zell, that wasn't the agreement. Press the kill switch!

 

[shortkut]

@Cole @Jawneh no point is delaying a skip

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Lmao it would be funny if that resulted in "the alpha has been injured"

 

[Tommy Boy]

....what does that result in though? The dictionary doesn't say what happens if they breach the mute.

 

[Smacktard]

....what does that result in though? The dictionary doesn't say what happens if they breach the mute.

Well if Zell had let me have my way, Local would be hurting right now

 

[shortkut]

....what does that result in though? The dictionary doesn't say what happens if they breach the mute.

@Zell 17 said we can find loopholes. He didn’t provide a punishment, so maybe we can select it… punishment should be role reveal, since in the future it may be an accident and a death due to an accident would be too harsh

 

[Tommy Boy]

Role reveal is the most reasonable punishment.

 

[shortkut]

Role reveal is the most reasonable punishment.

@Zell 17 let’s go!

 

[Zell 17]

He misread I'm not imposing any punishments

 

[shortkut]

He misread I'm not imposing any punishments

PM and post may both begin with P but shouldn’t be a cause to misread