Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 3 / Day 3

[shortkut]

Cole is being excessively pedantic, relative to his baseline. Super sus

 

[Cole]

Okay, where's your proof or evidence? You seem to just be saying that because you accused Tommy first, and almost certainly incorrectly at that, that any accusation on you is obviously false.

no, not any accusation, no. just the one from the person I voted for.

Fortunately we're not in court, we're in a game of using incomplete information to solve a puzzle. Evidence mightn't be the right word, but I know you know what I mean (this time).

but you're not, you don't even have the border yet and you're trying to solve the puzzle. you don't have ANY information other than the word of a single player.

 

[Kat]

You guys really still suspect me when I helped to lead the lynch of Raposa?

Did you though? You were against voting for either seer for a long time, and tried to get us to go after two other targets, and only came back when we wouldn't play along.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Or he knew he was going to die that night and converted to make you think this very thing about me.

That's why I'm voting Cole, better reason.

If he comes up as regular wolf, then it's proof on you. If he doesn't, then i told Tommy you could still be checked and cleared.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

no, not any accusation, no. just the one from the person I voted for.

Okay cool. So you have nothing.

How about you go open the PM from Zell?

 

[shortkut]

Or he knew he was going to die that night and converted to make you think this very thing about me.

I figured out why I always think you’re sus

Any theory you put out reads like a child trying to lie their way out of getting caught. There’s something off about it. While the words make sense, when strung together, there are too many leaps in logic. It seems like you’re jumping from one theory/thought to the next, just hoping we will believe one of them and let you go

 

[Cole]

Cole is being excessively pedantic, relative to his baseline. Super sus

not sure what pedantic looks like to you.

anyway, I feel like shit today and am going to bed. and unlike Kelly, me saying that isn't a ploy so I don't have to defend myself.

my defense is over for the night, enjoy the rest of the game, what little is left.

vote for Kelly

just In case people stop deciding to skip over the person that's been masterminding the whole game.

night all!

 

[Cole]

Okay cool. So you have nothing.

How about you go open the PM from Zell?

I'll get right on that as soon as I wake up.

 

[Benzine]

??? Where did I say trust Kit? I said Cole could be shamaned. Kit never mentioned a shaman.

So what do you all think the last wolf role is? They weren't shy about using all their other powers, yet this one has been quiet. Seems weird, doesn't it?

I'm not saying you trust Kit? I am barely talking about you at all. Seems like crossed wires.

 

[shortkut]

Okay cool. So you have nothing.

How about you go open the PM from Zell?

How about he tells us if he got a second PM from Zell, but this one being a group chat. Cole doesn’t like to lie, and he chose his words very carefully. Depending on timing, he could have already received the second PM because he was turned before he ever got a chance to open the initial PM. There would be no need to at that point

 

[Kat]

That's why I'm voting Cole, better reason.

If he comes up as regular wolf, then it's proof on you. If he doesn't, then i told Tommy you could still be checked and cleared.

That's great and all, but if he's not a wolf, there's a good chance we lose tonight and it won't matter if Tommy tries to clear me.

 

[shortkut]

I'm not saying you trust Kit? I am barely talking about you at all. Seems like crossed wires.

See post 156

 

[Smacktard]

Did you though? You were against voting for either seer for a long time, and tried to get us to go after two other targets, and only came back when we wouldn't play along.

I was against voting for either seer and -- shock -- I was for voting for people who, in the end, didn't vote for Raposa.

Clearly this means I'm a wolf, right? Despite not being killed in jail? Despite muting Local today?

Can we stop with these short-sighted and foolish accusations when it's clear as day who at least 4 of the 5 remaining wolves are?

As for the last one -- If Tubby really is town, I think he made a foolish move switching his vote at the last minute.

 

[Kat]

I'm not saying you trust Kit? I am barely talking about you at all. Seems like crossed wires.

You quoted me in that post...

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 3 / Day 3' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-3-day-3.1046/post-62187

 

[Smacktard]

I vote Cole. Dean should've killed him last night like I suggested and spare the town a potential wolf with unused powers, and remove the town's stupid indecision.

 

[Kat]

Clearly this means I'm a wolf, right? Despite not being killed in jail? Despite muting Local today?

Neither of those things proves anything. You didn't get killed in jail because TD didn't believe you were a wolf. That's it. As Kut pointed out, there's a wolf who can silence, so that also proves nothing.

 

[Tubby23]

There was really no need for Kat's post a little bit ago unless she was a wolf trying to throw doubt onto a Cole lynch

 

[Tubby23]

I'm almost certain at this point Cole was the Fan, Kit was the Sorcerer. Cole didn't lie when he said he didn't receive a second group PM to start the game because it came at a later point.

 

[Kat]

There was really no need for Kat's post a little bit ago unless she was a wolf trying to through doubt onto a Cole lynch

Fine, all vote and skip a few hours into the day. Seems boring to me but whatever.

 

[shortkut]

Neither of those things proves anything. You didn't get killed in jail because TD didn't believe you were a wolf. That's it. As Kut pointed out, there's a wolf who can silence, so that also proves nothing.

So why are you hesitant to lynch the wolf we are aware of? And don’t tell me you’re not because you voted for him. You are the only person other than Cole and Jon trying to cast any doubt on the situation

 

[Benzine]

You quoted me in that post...

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 3 / Day 3' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-3-day-3.1046/post-62187

Yeah but I don't say that you trust Kit or anything like that? Really I'm saying that we, the town, don't trust things Kit said.

I hope I haven't forgotten how to read.

 

[Tubby23]

Fine, all vote and skip a few hours into the day. Seems boring to me but whatever.

We don't have to skip, I'm just literally having the discussion you wanted. You said who'd be the target if it wasn't Cole. I'm telling you in my opinion it should be you.

I've said I didn't trust you throughout all of yesterday and there is nothing you have done today to improve that standing in my mind. In fact, it's gotten worse

 

[shortkut]

We don't have to skip, I'm just literally having the discussion you wanted. You said who'd be the target if it wasn't Cole. I'm telling you in my opinion it should be you.

I've said I didn't trust you throughout all of yesterday and there is nothing you have done today to improve that standing in my mind. In fact, it's gotten worse

This… but I’d also be open to lynching Jon

 

[Kat]

So why are you hesitant to lynch the wolf we are aware of? And don’t tell me you’re not because you voted for him. You are the only person other than Cole and Jon trying to cast any doubt on the situation

Two reasons I've already said:
1. We don't know if there's a shaman wolf or not. If there is, Cole could be shamaned. If he is, and they turn the fan tonight, we lose. Maybe this is unlikely but so are lots of things which have happened.
2. It's just a boring way to play without even thinking about other possibilities.

 

[Smacktard]

Dean was an obvious save last night, so we need to ask both @Kat and @Tubby23 why our supposed protector roles didn't save him.

Here's how we figure out if the last wolf is Tubby or Kat:

• Tommy checks either Tubby or Kat
• Kat protects Tommy
• If Tommy dies, Kat is evil
• If Tommy lives, he gives us the results of the check

Bada boom, Bada Bing. Cue wolves doing mental gymnastics to explain why this is a bad idea and why this makes me a wolf.

 

[Tubby23]

This… but I’d also be open to lynching Jon

Yeah so I'd have:
Cole, Kat then Jon. Who do we think are the 5th and 6th bad doggos?

 

[shortkut]

Two reasons I've already said:
1. We don't know if there's a shaman wolf or not. If there is, Cole could be shamaned. If he is, and they turn the fan tonight, we lose. Maybe this is unlikely but so are lots of things which have happened.
2. It's just a boring way to play without even thinking about other possibilities.

If there’s a shaman wolf then there isn’t a voodoo wolf

 

[Smacktard]

Neither of those things proves anything. You didn't get killed in jail because TD didn't believe you were a wolf. That's it.

I've tried being subtle with my hints, so let me ring it like a gong instead:
TD asked me when the weapon dropped and I gave him the time my weapon dropped within a minute or two.

 

[Tubby23]

Dean was an obvious save last night, so we need to ask both @Kat and @Tubby23 why our supposed protector roles didn't save him.

Here's how we figure out if the last wolf is Tubby or Kat:

• Tommy checks either Tubby or Kat
• Kat protects Tommy
• If Tommy dies, Kat is evil
• If Tommy lives, he gives us the results of the check

Bada boom, Bada Bing. Cue wolves doing mental gymnastics to explain why this is a bad idea and why this makes me a wolf.

I'll happily have Tommy check me and I will happily protect him so he can do so. I protected you last night Kelly, it should have been Dean

 

[Kat]

Dean was an obvious save last night, so we need to ask both @Kat and @Tubby23 why our supposed protector roles didn't save him.

Here's how we figure out if the last wolf is Tubby or Kat:

• Tommy checks either Tubby or Kat
• Kat protects Tommy
• If Tommy dies, Kat is evil
• If Tommy lives, he gives us the results of the check

Bada boom, Bada Bing. Cue wolves doing mental gymnastics to explain why this is a bad idea and why this makes me a wolf.

Witch kill is before wolf kill, so killing him wouldn't prevent his damage. I didn't expect them to go after him. I thought they'd go after Tommy or Benzine.

I think your plan is fine except it tells wolves who is protected. But I guess we have Benzine too so maybe it's okay.

 

[Smacktard]

@Tommy Boy for reference:

Dean was an obvious save last night, so we need to ask both @Kat and @Tubby23 why our supposed protector roles didn't save him.

Here's how we figure out if the last wolf is Tubby or Kat:

• Tommy checks either Tubby or Kat
• Kat protects Tommy
• If Tommy dies, Kat is evil
• If Tommy lives, he gives us the results of the check

Bada boom, Bada Bing. Cue wolves doing mental gymnastics to explain why this is a bad idea and why this makes me a wolf.

I hope this isn't needed and you checked either Kat or Tubby last night.

FWIW I'm against voting Jon until later in the game. We already know who 4 of 5 of the remaining wolves are, and Jon tried to hard to look guilty. I'm guessing avenger wolf.

 

[Smacktard]

Witch kill is before wolf kill, so killing him wouldn't prevent his damage

Bad logic. Witches have a protection potion they could use too.

Tubby, don't protect Tommy. Let Kat do it. Protect someone else.

 

[shortkut]

@Tommy Boy for reference:

I hope this isn't needed and you checked either Kat or Tubby last night.

FWIW I'm against voting Jon until later in the game. We already know who 4 of 5 of the remaining wolves are, and Jon tried to hard to look guilty. I'm guessing avenger wolf.

If he’s the avenger wolf, then no voodoo or shaman

 

[Smacktard]

Vote Cole and skip.

 

[Kat]

I've tried being subtle with my hints, so let me ring it like a gong instead:
TD asked me when the weapon dropped and I gave him the time my weapon dropped within a minute or two.

Hmm. @Zell 17 would you tell an evil person this if they asked you? Seems a lot like meta gaming to me.

 

[shortkut]

Hmm. @Zell 17 would you tell an evil person this if they asked you? Seems a lot like meta gaming to me.

Why would Zell? The weapon doesn’t have to drop and the wolf wouldn’t see it

 

[Kat]

Bad logic. Witches have a protection potion they could use too.

Tubby, don't protect Tommy. Let Kat do it. Protect someone else.

So you would've protected Dean? With that logic, Tubby is better to protect (assuming you believe his role claim).

 

[Smacktard]

So you would've protected Dean? With that logic, Tubby is better to protect (assuming you believe his role claim).

Squirm harder.

 

[shortkut]

@Kat if you’re innocent, please stop posting

 

[Kat]

Why would Zell? The weapon doesn’t have to drop and the wolf wouldn’t see it

IMO there's a difference between "did a weapon drop" and "what time did a weapon drop". It's like checking who is online when actions are made to figure out who's who, or asking people to copy PMs from Zell. But it's definitely clever, I'll give him that.

 

[shortkut]

IMO there's a difference between "did a weapon drop" and "what time did a weapon drop". It's like checking who is online when actions are made to figure out who's who, or asking people to copy PMs from Zell. But it's definitely clever, I'll give him that.

Yes, so you’re theory is the more detailed information is what Zell chose to give out?

 

[Kat]

Yes, so you’re theory is the more detailed information is what Zell chose to give out?

Do you want me to stop posting or not?

 

[shortkut]

Do you want me to stop posting or not?

Only if you’re innocent. You’re digging a grave faster than the Winchesters

 

[Kat]

Fine, you got me, my hobbies are howling at the moon and eating Dean.

Skip.

 

[Smacktard]

I'm seeing now Tommy seer'd Cole. Lol

 

[Tubby23]

I'm seeing now Tommy seer'd Cole. Lol

I was a bit confused when you first posted but quickly realised you hadn't read the thread.

 

[Smacktard]

I was a bit confused when you first posted but quickly realised you hadn't read the thread.

What's the point? Why read a bunch of posts by wolves who thought they could brute force the game now trying to convince people that I'm bad, despite every single one of them (minus one) having either voted for a non-wolf or signalled that they're a wolf.

 

[Tubby23]

What's the point? Why read a bunch of posts by wolves who thought they could brute force the game now trying to convince people that I'm bad, despite every single one of them (minus one) having either voted for a non-wolf or signalled that they're a wolf.

Oh yeah fair call, just it was when you said Tommy hope you check Kat or Tubby and I was like...

 

[Smacktard]

So to summarize, we know the following are wolves:
Raposa
Cole (verified by seer check)
Jawneh
Jon
Local Hero

Like I said would happen, wolves got cocky with their numbers and felt they could brute force the game. They switched off their votes from Raposa last minute. They gave themselves away very blatantly.

We know one of the following is a wolf:
Kat OR Tubby

Kat will protect Tommy tonight and Tommy will check either Kat or Tubby.

If Tommy dies, Kat is bad. If Tommy lives, he gives us results of his seer check.

No point in listening to wolves desperately try to convince the town to vote against itself.

Skip.

 

[Smacktard]

Oh yeah fair call, just it was when you said Tommy hope you check Kat or Tubby and I was like...

You two were the only logical picks for seer last night IMO. You two are the only unknown. Why? Because you haven't been relentlessly questioning the credibility of a townie, and because Kat didn't switch off yesterday from Raposa.

However... You switched off, and now today Kat is questioning me even though I've shown time and time again that I'm fighting FOR the town, not against. So you two are still unknown.