Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 4

[Zell 17]

PLEASE BE ADVISED that there are a couple rule changes in bold.

The day will start at 9 PM EST.

Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

And here's the list of players:

@A Subcontrabass Sax
@Benzine
@Dean
@Fool's Requiem
@GwJumpman
@Jawneh
@Jon
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Raine
@Raposuh
@shortkut
@Smacktard
@TD
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede


And here are the roles:

Village team:
3x Random Strong Villager
7x Random Regular Villager

Caveat: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
4x Random Wolf

The random werewolf can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary. The Sorcerer, Werewolf, and Werewolf Fan will not be in the game.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Solo team:
1x Random Non-Violent

Cupid and the Instigator will not BOTH be in the game.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Wolf seer check
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Beast Trap ensnares an evil
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer/Warden kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The ritualist will have access to this forum at night. If you are revived by the ritualist, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Solo Non-Violent: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).

 

[Zell 17]

VashTheStampede was killed by the werewolves. VashTheStampede was the Witch.
Alu lost his one true love, and took his own life. Alu was the Avenger.
Prior to his death, Alu avenged his lover's murder and killed TD. TD was the Nightmare Wolf.

 

[Dean]

I should trust my instincts more. I felt like TD was bad.

I think we go after Jawneh today.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Just want to say that it's grueling to watch 24 hours go by and not be able to say one fuckin thing or INDICATE I'm here. I felt like a ghost or something.

But holy shit, a lot happened yesterday and last night clearly, and I didn't really update the spreadsheet yet. I'm not around my computer right now to fully dive in but I wanted to see what was going to happen so just checking in quick.

 

[shortkut]

You all suck

Voting TD or local

 

[Dean]

You all suck

Voting TD or local

TD = Totally Dead

 

[Tommy Boy]

And to confirm, yes definitely there is a voodoo wolf, and it's kind of fucked up finding out TD was running the show with the classic seer strategy. @Jon You were really taking punches yesterday and did a great job, I kind of deflect to you on the spreadsheet ownership for the rest of this game.

TD = Totally Dead

Toasted Dogmeat

 

[Dean]

@Jon did a great job. I had maybe half the info he did, and there was no way I could be active AND go back through 40 pages for info, so kudos. I appreciate it.

My suspects, in order of suspicion:
1. Jawneh
2. Local
3. Benzine

It depends on if Raposuh was a wolf or not whether both Jawneh and Local are evil or just one.

 

[Benzine]

obviously

 

[Jawneh]

@Jon did a great job. I had maybe half the info he did, and there was no way I could be active AND go back through 40 pages for info, so kudos. I appreciate it.

My suspects, in order of suspicion:
1. Jawneh
2. Local
3. Benzine

It depends on if Raposuh was a wolf or not whether both Jawneh and Local are evil or just one.

There's a couple things we know now that you should consider before nudging me further into the gallows.

1: Benzine gets +cred for being violinist and getting us Kelly. I doubt he was lying himself since they were in a good position towards winning so saccing Kelly wouldn't make sense.
2: Thanks to the above, Kit was a townie of some sort. Not a seer type though.
3: I was one of the folks pushing both Kelly and TD. Granted Day 1 and a good portion of 2 I didn't have much reason to doubt him beyond general sus, but I was outlining his focus on confusing the town and jumping his votes around. And here we have him being a wolf. If you think I was pushing on two wolves to hide myself, then sure. I'll accept that.
4: I was telling the truth about a nightmare wolf.
5: Tommy just confirmed the voodoo wolf that I first brought up and was thinking was what happened to him.
6: Uhh... I think there was more, but I lost it while typing everything else.


I'm a-ok with going after Local today though. He immediately jumped in with Kelly to go after Dean (probably due to thinking day 2 Dean train would set off easily) and then fairly sheepishly backed off later as we were gaining steam to lynch Kelly.

We got Benzine eventually giving us another seer thing. I'm hoping Tommy has gotten a vote or two extra for later. Then lastly, voodoo wolf is out there still and someone at this point wont be posting. My best guess is Jon.

 

[Benzine]

There's a couple things we know now that you should consider before nudging me further into the gallows.

1: Benzine gets +cred for being violinist and getting us Kelly. I doubt he was lying himself since they were in a good position towards winning so saccing Kelly wouldn't make sense.
2: Thanks to the above, Kit was a townie of some sort. Not a seer type though.
3: I was one of the folks pushing both Kelly and TD. Granted Day 1 and a good portion of 2 I didn't have much reason to doubt him beyond general sus, but I was outlining his focus on confusing the town and jumping his votes around. And here we have him being a wolf. If you think I was pushing on two wolves to hide myself, then sure. I'll accept that.
4: I was telling the truth about a nightmare wolf.
5: Tommy just confirmed the voodoo wolf that I first brought up and was thinking was what happened to him.
6: Uhh... I think there was more, but I lost it while typing everything else.


I'm a-ok with going after Local today though. He immediately jumped in with Kelly to go after Dean (probably due to thinking day 2 Dean train would set off easily) and then fairly sheepishly backed off later as we were gaining steam to lynch Kelly.

We got Benzine eventually giving us another seer thing. I'm hoping Tommy has gotten a vote or two extra for later. Then lastly, voodoo wolf is out there still and someone at this point wont be posting. My best guess is Jon.

I have no seer information

 

[Benzine]

@shortkut who do you think is what

 

[Benzine]

You all suck

Voting TD or local

how dare you

 

[Jawneh]

I have no seer information

No? You could've died and given your power to me then.

 

[Jon]

I... wouldn't give me too much credit. I actually thought that TD may be playing us, sure, but I also didn't fully trust Jawneh. So when he said to protect Tommy, originally I did. But then I thought that may be him influencing someone else, so I actually switched to protect TD... thank god it was an Avenger kill and not a normal kill because that would have SUCKED for us.

I need to update my sheet with this new info and I'll get back to it, but there is still 1-2 wolves left. Leaving me alive as a doctor may have been unwise, but I'm POSITIVE TD figured out the couple and took the 2 for 1.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Unfortunately I'm fuckin 0/4 on extra votes currently. Terrible guesses, even though I thought they were guaranteed deaths. Dang, I really should have targeted TD.

 

[Jon]

Here's what we know...

1. Tommy was Voodoo'd. This tells us there is a remaining voodoo wolf. The ONLY person yet to post in this thread is Local.
2. Alu/Vash being the couple was bad for us as the town. Mainly because we STILL don't know about Raposuh. If we trust Benzine, then Raposuh is town (since he and Kelly were not on the same team).
3. I'm ready to lean on clearing Tommy as Preacher. Don't worry about being 0/4, so am I.
4. Local isn't cleared in my eyes. His only claim was checking Kat and Kut and outing Kut as Cupid. Knowing there was a blind wolf makes that harder to believe. Especially since we know TD and Kelly were both wolves, the question is was TD clearing two of his own day one when he "checked" Local and Kelly.
5. I suspect they left me alive again to throw suspicion on my claim as a doctor. There's no other logical reason to leave the only protector alive.

The more this goes on, I'm having a hard time believing Raposuh was a wolf. I believe he may have been a townie and TD was pushing the "I'm going on the assumption" Raposuh is a wolf to throw us off the fact there are two wolves.

I really have no other information. Sadly, outside of Tommy, i don't really trust any of you to not be being deceitful right now. I feel the most likely combos are Benzine/Jawneh as wolves or Local/Dean.

Sorry Dean... we had 2 Bullys so I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the percentage of getting two avengers too.

 

[Dean]

I really have no other information. Sadly, outside of Tommy, i don't really trust any of you to not be being deceitful right now. I feel the most likely combos are Benzine/Jawneh as wolves or Local/Dean.

Sorry Dean... we had 2 Bullys so I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the percentage of getting two avengers too.

You don't have to apologize, but here's the thing, I would hope I exonerated myself over the last day or two by actually giving a shit and trying.

Also, odds are odds and are separate. If you flip a coin, each time you flip it, the odds are roughly 50% to get heads or tails, even if you flipped tails ten times before.

I ain't a statistician, but hoping you get my point.

I will for sure go along with lynching Local if that's what people want. I don't know how to interpret the "there's still a Voodoo Wolf and Local is quiet" bit, because it makes him seem innocent in your eyes?

 

[Jon]

I will for sure go along with lynching Local if that's what people want. I don't know how to interpret the "there's still a Voodoo Wolf and Local is quiet" bit, because it makes him seem innocent in your eyes?

Not really because he can just stay quiet to throw us off him. I started in on the heat of him pretty hard yesterday. It's definitely possible he's going to remain silent.

Normally I would say yes it proves him innocence. But there is too much sus and easy to fake since we are in the know that that a voodoo wolf exists.

The only other option is Tommy has been playing us for fools since day one, but I just don't get that feeling.

As for exoneration, I can't go that far, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. The only other fully exonerated person is Kut, so can now only win with the town. Other than that, there is a ton of questions about all of us.

 

[Benzine]

Tell me your roles so I can decide who’s lying and who’s not

 

[Jon]

Tell me your roles so I can decide who’s lying and who’s not

The remaining claims are as follows:

Jon - Doctor
Jawneh - Seer Apprentice
Tommy - Preacher
Local - Bell Ringer
Dean - Avenger
You - Violinist
Kut - Cupid

 

[Dean]

Tell me your roles so I can decide who’s lying and who’s not

I can't tell if you're serious, but I'm the Avenger

 

[Tommy Boy]

With TD dead, my biggest question right now is - why would there be a Seer Apprentice if there doesn't seem to be a seer? The promotion requirement to normal seer would be self-satisfied.

 

[Dean]

Seer Apprentice would be an easy fake. They have no powers. Since there is a Violinist, it is technically possible.

Did Jawneh claim Seer Apprentice before or after Benzine claimed Violinist?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Nevermind I just read the description sorry

The following roles count as "seers" for this ability: Aura Seer, Detective, Sheriff, Spirit Seer, Violinist

 

[Dean]

With TD dead, my biggest question right now is - why would there be a Seer Apprentice if there doesn't seem to be a seer? The promotion requirement to normal seer would be self-satisfied.

Haha same brainwave. Since Benzine is claiming Violinist, it is technically possible.

 

[Jon]

With TD dead, my biggest question right now is - why would there be a Seer Apprentice if there doesn't seem to be a seer? The promotion requirement to normal seer would be self-satisfied.

I asked @Zell 17 yesterday is a seer apprentice can be picked if no seer is around. But he didn't answer.

The description lists violinist, so we still technically have a seer. The problem is we have nothing in terms of information other than most people found Dean sus all game long.

 

[Zell 17]

I asked @Zell 17 yesterday is a seer apprentice can be picked if no seer is around. But he didn't answer.

The description lists violinist, so we still technically have a seer. The problem is we have nothing in terms of information other than most people found Dean sus all game long.

Anything in the role dictionary can be in the game aside from those roles specifically excluded.

 

[Jawneh]

I hinted it day 1 already and again day 2. But only yesterday did I outright say my role.

 

[Jon]

That's what I thought.

I really don't know. Outside of Kut, we all have an equal chance at being a wolf. No one person is more or less sus to me, at this point.

I almost say let's all vote and skip lol. I don't see what level of information we're going to get in the next 24 hours without a lynching and another night phase...

We call all happily shoot the shit for the next day, but without TD it's going to be a lot quieter.

 

[Dean]

I asked @Zell 17 yesterday is a seer apprentice can be picked if no seer is around. But he didn't answer.

The description lists violinist, so we still technically have a seer. The problem is we have nothing in terms of information other than most people found Dean sus all game long.

This game has really made me rethink accusing inactive people of being wolves. I've been seriously busy with real life shit, and it's funny how within a day or two, everybody was ready to lynch me. I finally get the opportunity to catch up and be active, and I think most people recognize it was a mistake and they jumped the gun, hopefully. It's wild to me. I think being a wolf would make me want to be active so I don't let my team down. I get "flying under the radar", but in almost all the cases I've seen where people are uncharacteristically silent, they aren't wolves. In fact, it's people who rush to be abnormally active who are more suspicious in hindsight, at least in my experiences. It's why I pegged Tubby one game as the Librarian within the first like 7-8 posts.

Edit: Not librarian, but some bomber or something, I can't remember the exact role.

 

[Jon]

I hinted it day 1 already and again day 2. But only yesterday did I outright say my role.

Honestly, the same is true for all of us. Except Dean, who didn't really claim anything until he was backed into a corner. The rest of us hinted but can't do anything without stuff happening. Benzine is the only one with an alleged role that's going to potentially glean any information tomorrow.

We are in good shape... there is 1 to 2 more wolves among us. There is 5-6 villagers. We have a LITTLE wiggle room, but not much and I'd rather not give us the rope to hang ourselves with.

 

[Dean]

Honestly, the same is true for all of us. Except Dean, who didn't really claim anything until he was backed into a corner. The rest of us hinted but can't do anything without stuff happening. Benzine is the only one with an alleged role that's going to potentially glean any information tomorrow.

We are in good shape... there is 1 to 2 more wolves among us. There is 5-6 villagers. We have a LITTLE wiggle room, but not much and I'd rather not give us the rope to hang ourselves with.

I would've more than likely revealed my role much sooner had I been active, but I was dealing with my wife being sick and a lot of time sensitive shit at work.

 

[Dean]

The other thing is, we've had several games get delayed and other shit like that. If I sign up for a game, I may not know what my activity will be like a week later or even a few days.

 

[Jon]

I would've more than likely revealed my role much sooner had I been active, but I was dealing with my wife being sick and a lot of time sensitive shit at work.

I'm not faulting you, man. Real life > game, and I really am sorry to hear your wife is/was sick.

I'm simply pointing out timelines.

 

[Dean]

No, you're all good. I don't fault anyone. In these games, any little thing could be a tell or clue and make a huge difference. We all over analyze.

My wife is still sick. We actually aren't going to the fundraiser tomorrow, with hopes we can go to two Christmas Parties next week (Monday and Tuesday night). Although the President of the local Kiwanis Club we are in has COVID, so the party on Monday may be canceled.

My wife supposedly has strep, per her telehealth visit, but she has other symptoms. She's been on antibiotics for a couple of days and doesn't seem a whole lot better.

 

[Dean]

Sorry for the off topic.

Back on topic, I don't know. Everybody has a viable reason/story.

Jawneh is believable as Seer Apprentice, especially if he was hinting early. Everything he's posted in this day phase makes complete sense.

Benzine has been consistent with claiming his role. He said he doesn't have seer information, though, which is odd considering the role, but maybe it's a timing thing? I'm not familiar with the Violinist.

Jon has been playing consistently as well and helped nab some wolves.

Tommy was silent all day yesterday. I tend to agree that TD must have narrowed down that Vash and Alu were coupled and went for the 2 for 1, knowing his time was short.

Local is acting like he's been Voodoo'd. I feel like he's still pretty suspicious, but I don't think anybody can refute his role claim.

shortkut is the only one who's probably 100% guaranteed.

 

[Jon]

I wish her a quick recovery.

 

[Dean]

Thanks, Jon.

I will say, if Tommy is faking being Voodoo'd and is actually the Voodoo Wolf, it is a good strategy. He would be able to avoid posting and giving himself up.

Even today, after having to be silent yesterday, Tommy said he's busy and didn't really jump into conversation. He might be avoiding saying too much and giving himself away.

I can twist almost any player into being suspicious or innocent. And considering what I just said about activity levels, I would be a hypocrite to accuse Tommy haha

 

[Jon]

Sorry for the off topic.

Back on topic, I don't know. Everybody has a viable reason/story.

Jawneh is believable as Seer Apprentice, especially if he was hunting early. Everything he's posted in this day phase makes complete sense.

Benzine has been consistent with claiming his role. He said he doesn't have seer information, though, which is odd considering the role, but maybe it's a timing thing? I'm not familiar with the Violinist.

Jon has been playing consistently as well and helped nab some wolves.

Tommy was silent all day yesterday. I tend to agree that TD must have narrowed down that Vash and Alu were coupled and went for the 2 for 1, knowing his time was short.

Local is acting like he's been Voodoo'd. I feel like he's still pretty suspicious, but I don't think anybody can refute his role claim.

shortkut is the only one who's probably 100% guaranteed.

This is the problem with where we are at and how well TD kept us all in a million directions. The amount of posts kept a lot of people disengaged and it benefitted the wolves. A lot of people didn't read the thousands of posts, therefore, what may have stood out to those people will not now.

In my opinion, Local is probably the best lynch option. He's been not posting a ton as it is, so he seems an odd target to be voodoo'd anyway. If he really is a bell ringer, he's "useless" since his power is used up. Seems more likely to me he's a seer of some kind for the wolves, or the voodoo wolf himself.

If we lynch him and he turns out to be a wolf, maybe we win straight off because Raposuh is a wolf. If not then we have Benzine's ability tomorrow to check against Vash, so we use that information.

 

[Dean]

I will switch to Local

 

[Jon]

Thanks, Jon.

I will say, if Tommy is faking being Voodoo'd and is actually the Voodoo Wolf, it is a good strategy. He would be able to avoid posting and giving himself up.

Even today, after having to be silent yesterday, Tommy said he's busy and didn't really jump into conversation. He might be avoiding saying too much and giving himself away.

I can twist almost any player into being suspicious or innocent. And considering what I just said about activity levels, I would be a hypocrite to accuse Tommy haha

I've thought about it, for sure. It still feels stupidly weird to me that the Voodoo wolf wouldn't have acted at all the first two days then randomly the third.

Makes me call into question the voodoo wolf exists.

 

[Jon]

@Jawneh - Why would a voodoo wolf choose to not use his powers 2 nights then randomly hit Tommy day 3?

 

[Dean]

I'm not Jawneh, but unless it was to hide the fact a Voodoo Wolf even exists, so Tommy would look suspicious.

Or the Voodoo Wolf player was inactive in the beginning.

 

[Jawneh]

I would say we go on and take out Local today thanks to voting behavior yesterday and using the blind wolf info to give us kut to sell bell ringer. Easy one peg off the board, another one tonight unless Jon finally succeeds. Then tomorrow we can tackle what's up with the leftover.

And this is not to peg any doubt, or extra doubt depending on yourselves, on Dean, but if there still is, we can circle back again on him to both check him and to use his power to kill the next best guess. I'm serving this now already so that we can think what's the best way to go about reducing the most likely last wolves.

If we lynch him and he turns out to be a wolf, maybe we win straight off because Raposuh is a wolf. If not then we have Benzine's ability tomorrow to check against Vash, so we use that information.

Only way Kit isn't a wolf is if Benzine is lying.

@Jawneh - Why would a voodoo wolf choose to not use his powers 2 nights then randomly hit Tommy day 3?

There was no reason to volunteer that information. Unless there was a plan to silence a role that works during the day or a seer to prevent them telling us something, the best way to use one is to get votes close and use your numbers to leverage the vote by slight doubt on one or two people. As far as hints and claims were from the town, apart from folks thinking I had a killing role, there was only 1 seer as far as the wolves were concerned and no priests. There was a lot of distrust between everyone too, so if they start voodooing early, those folks would get trusted more easily.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Even today, after having to be silent yesterday, Tommy said he's busy and didn't really jump into conversation. He might be avoiding saying too much and giving himself away.

Saturday/Sunday combos are usually spent doing errands and city crawling with GF, it's not intentional. We just usually watch shows Saturday nights. But totally reasonable to think this.

I can twist almost any player into being suspicious or innocent. And considering what I just said about activity levels, I would be a hypocrite to accuse Tommy haha

 

[Jawneh]

I've thought about it, for sure. It still feels stupidly weird to me that the Voodoo wolf wouldn't have acted at all the first two days then randomly the third.

Makes me call into question the voodoo wolf exists.

I mean yeah. Not to fault Tommy or anything, but it makes is very difficult to play when you start considering "is this the game where he's finally not telling the truth or is okay bending the truth somehow" or anything similar. My activity has always been around 20-30 posts average, with some games being a bit less so I don't necessarily consider posting less than the top spammers a thing, but more so posting less than is normal for said person. Not withholding any admissions of being busy any given day.

But there might not be a voodoo. Tommy could be a wolf and to prevent putting him into a tough spot the wolves made up a plan to let Tommy not do anything for a day. We're only assuming it's voodoo where as Tommy is simply playing a strategy.

 

[Jon]

There was no reason to volunteer that information. Unless there was a plan to silence a role that works during the day or a seer to prevent them telling us something, the best way to use one is to get votes close and use your numbers to leverage the vote by slight doubt on one or two people. As far as hints and claims were from the town, apart from folks thinking I had a killing role, there was only 1 seer as far as the wolves were concerned and no priests. There was a lot of distrust between everyone too, so if they start voodooing early, those folks would get trusted more easily.

Seems like a waste of the power, but I suppose.

 

[Benzine]

To be clear to whoever asked why don't I have info, it's cause GwJumpman was a solo role and no one can be on their team, so anyone I search shows as not on GwJumpan's team.

 

[Jon]

To be on record, my mat earlier was a little off.

We don't have 1-2 wolves and 5-6 village, it's 4-5 village.

If we get this wrong and Raposuh is a townie, we could lose tomorrow.