Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 3

[VashTheStampede]

Yes, this was a change made after game....5 or so? Made at the behest of the community to nerf spirit seers.

That community does not represent me

 

[TD]

Meaning outside of Vash, who has now proven himself to be the witch, and kut, who is successfully outed as the Cupid, we can't necessarily trust your reads.

Right?

It is possible Night 0 was a Blind Wolf or Wolf Seer, yes.

No seer role is capable of 100% clearing until actions and that's why I said I only trust you and Vash, to be clear.

 

[Jon]

Jawneh has alluded to cooking something many times. Every time I've seen him say this, it's some kind of kill role.

See, how in the world is someone like me expected to pick up on a hint like that? It's valuable info, sure... but you can't hold against me information I do not have...

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[TD]

See, how in the world is someone like me expected to pick up on a hint like that? It's valuable info, sure... but you can't hold against me information I do not have...

But surely you can understand why I won't run around pointing out kill role claims when I'm surrounded by people I don't trust?

Zell has always said kill roles should be killed first and the fact Jawneh is still alive is what's concerning me.

 

[finlandguy]

I tried checking the chat, but it was large enough I didn't want to reread 3 pages.

I was trying to refer to a bigger thing that happened and not some thing in chats.

@Jon
Jawneh has alluded to cooking something many times. Every time I've seen him say this, it's some kind of kill role.

Aaaand I already told Tommy when he had put me on his list as a kill role that it wasn't true.

There's only been two hints. None of the meta behavior of me has been a thing beyond waiting to do a thing with my role.

 

[Jon]

But surely you can understand why I won't run around pointing out kill role claims when I'm surrounded by people I don't trust?

Yes, I do.

What bothers me is you're still having any doubt about me. My actions, my behavior... NONE of it is like the two times I was a wolf. You called me out as a wolf early in both games. The concern I have is you're trying to get the circle of doubt on me to get me lynched so the wolves win tomorrow.

Like I said, I understand it. I don't fully trust you. But I'm deferring to the side you're village trying to help village. And I was trying to work things out with you as such because you are the MOST active person here.

If you do not trust me and you're still going to obfuscate information at this juncture, then there is nothing I can do to help until night, when I fully expect to die. I outed myself as a protection role immediately. How I've survived this long is odd to me. If you're hell bound on getting the only known protection off the board at this point then you can deal with that moving forward. There is LEGIT nothing I can do until I'm dead to prove my alliance to you.

I'm more incline to vote and skip and get my death overwith.

 

[TD]

Aaaand I already told Tommy when he had put me on his list as a kill role that it wasn't true.

And people don't lie?

 

[TD]

What bothers me is you're still having any doubt about me.

How many times do I have to tell you?

I trust someone when there role is proven.

Hence Vash and Alu.

 

[Jon]

I was trying to refer to a bigger thing that happened and not some thing in chats.

Ahh, then no I don't remember at all, sorry. But please, keep this on radar and tell me after the game. I'm curious.

There's only been two hints. None of the meta behavior of me has been a thing beyond waiting to do a thing with my role.

One of which is the quote in my spreadsheet. But I can't figure it out...

 

[Jon]

How many times do I have to tell you?

I trust someone when there role is proven.

Hence Vash and Alu.

Fair...

But my point was more deference... I do not trust you either. But I'm trying to work with you regardless of that because that's the town's best interest. Withholding information at this point ONLY benefits wolves.

Fuck... I am starting to sound like Kelly....

 

[TD]

Like Jon, this is the shit I'm talking about.

You don't press our kill roles. You just don't. Unless you're trying to get rid of them.

I figured out Raine was the Jailer and that's why I started talking in code with her (the post Vash enhanced).

I wanted her to jail you, have a discussion, and make a decision.

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 2' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-ix-day-2.1301/post-72027

 

[Jon]

You don't press our kill roles. You just don't. Unless you're trying to get rid of them.

I didn't press her... I don't know what you're reading. Look, no matter what you think, I am never going to pick up the hints you do... You and Raine are the only ones that do I feel. So, you're again accusing me of shit and not taking raw unfamiliarity into account.

I figured out Raine was the Jailer and that's why I started talking in code with her (the post Vash enhanced).

I'm glad you did. I did not. You're code and her trying to hide is what got her my lynch vote. Add to that the wolves dog piling and that was that.

I'm not going to pick up you coded clues and to expect me to be able to... that's unfair to me.

But... I'm burnt out. I'm done right now. I'm not going to defend myself anymore. I'm gonna just shut up now, and observe. You do your thing and I'll vote when I'm ready. Not sure I'm gonna bother updating my sheet anymore.

 

[shortkut]

Again, there is no need for me to be hiding anything anymore as with the corruptor dead and a couple more villagers confirmed, I'm pretty much the strongest role left since Vash's potions are burned.

View attachment 4410

If this spreadsheet is accurate, Dean should be the last wolf we get

Kelly or Jawneh first

 

[finlandguy]

Zell has always said kill roles should be killed first and the fact Jawneh is still alive is what's concerning me.

<Timmy Turner's dad meme "this is where I would put my trophy if I had one, but with a kill role instead>

And people don't lie

*stares at Tommy*

 

[TD]

I didn't press her... I don't know what you're reading. Look, no matter what you think, I am never going to pick up the hints you do... You and Raine are the only ones that do I feel. So, you're again accusing me of shit and not taking raw unfamiliarity into account.

You outright called her the Jailer and LOOK at how she reacted.

 

[shortkut]

You know I legit just posted a spreadsheet showing much the same info right?

I’m responding to posts as I see them. I hadn’t seen yours at the time I posted that

 

[shortkut]

@Dean it looks like local and TD already started your bandwagon. I was going to bandwagon the Koala, but the decision has already been made. Use your pettiness as you feel is appropriate

 

[Jon]

@Jawneh For what it's worth, I have an idea of what role you may be. Narrowed it down to 3, but one seems more likely than the others.

 

[TD]

So I'm gonna put my cards on the table.

Yes. I'm the Spirit Seer but yes it cannot be proven.
I have not lied about who I checked or how the reads came back.

However, I'm disturbed by how the town is playing. There's a lot of selfishness and self preservation going on. That needs to stop. The town is a team.

I'm going to point to yesterday. Many of you voted for Raine but literally cited that you think she's innocent and/or that Dean is the Wolf Avenger.

Why the fuck would we do that?

People are suspicious of me and you know what? Rightfully so and it's coming mostly because I'm still alive. It tells me that we are dealing with some smart wolves who know everyone is going to turn on me if I stay alive.

Ask me anything you want and I'll answer to the best of my ability. Kill me if you want, but at the rate this is going I'd think the town wants their seer around but maybe not.

Also just as a fun fact:
I posted a suspect list at the end of Day 1 and coincidentally, my #1 target was who the Corrupter decided to kill. I posted a sus list yesterday to see if it would happen but Vash did good work, so we don't need to figure them out.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

@Dean it looks like local and TD already started your bandwagon. I was going to bandwagon the Koala, but the decision has already been made. Use your pettiness as you feel is appropriate

If we have a better play than a potential Wolf Avenger, we should take it.

If @Benzine is truly a violinist, then he'll have some information about Raposa's role (depending on who he checked).

There's always a decent chance either Benzine or Local (or both) are lying about how they came to know their information as well.

 

[Jon]

There's always a decent chance either Benzine or Local (or both) are lying about how they came to know their information as well.

Local said in post 10 yesterday he checked kut and kat, kat died and he revealed kut was Cupid. Kut then confirmed his role. I'm inclined to believe him for now, personally

 

[TD]

If we have a better play than a potential Wolf Avenger, we should take it.

Sure - but we need to rip off that bandaid at some point.

 

[Jon]

However, I'm disturbed by how the town is playing. There's a lot of selfishness and self preservation going on. That needs to stop. The town is a team.

 

[finlandguy]

I'm dropping my vote on TD already.

I got no problem with aggressive poking and prodding, but I don't see TD walking with the town this time around. Raine v Dean yesterday, TD was on Raine until the last hour or two when votes decided to pour in and he jumped back to Dean. Considering their supposed hinting and now alluding to have known what role Raine was, theres no point in TD ever needing to be voting her, acting confused or lost with voting, and then switching his vote over to Dean to preserve it for later.

Then today the aggressive tone against Jon for the aftermath of Raine dying? Only blues all game long? Being alive day 3 as a self proclaimed spirit seer?

Oh and now I saw a wall of text from TD to try to curb doubts before they come raining down.

 

[shortkut]

Sure - but we need to rip off that bandaid at some point.

Yes but why not do that bandaid last. Kelly is sleeping so why not start a bandwagon for him?

 

[TD]

Raine v Dean yesterday, TD was on Raine until the last hour or two when votes decided to pour in and he jumped back to Dean.

What about the fact that kut, Vash, and Benzine led the way on Raine?

Or the fact I literally openly said I'm voting her to apply pressure, tagged her, got her response, and moved off right after?

This revisionist history and manipulation of what happened is a bad look.

 

[finlandguy]

@Jawneh For what it's worth, I have an idea of what role you may be. Narrowed it down to 3, but one seems more likely than the others.

Let's play a game. Mainly since I'm weird and this is an amusing mini game within the game for me.

Post what three you though of. If my role is there, I'll concede it to everyone. If not, TD is probably already typing up his story he's been slowly prepping against me today already so I'll be toast

 

[TD]

Yes but why not do that bandaid last. Kelly is sleeping so why not start a bandwagon for him?

Okay Mr let's kill Raine.

You've been detrimental to the town since you were revealed to be Cupid.

 

[TD]

If not, TD is probably already typing up his story he's been slowly prepping against me today already so I'll be toast

I don't know what to think of you. That's why you were one of my two checks.

You should know by now how I play, I throw enough shit around until something sticks or makes sense.

I'm the most notorious fisher here.

Have I voted you?

 

[Jon]

Let's play a game. Mainly since I'm weird and this is an amusing mini game within the game for me.

Post what three you though of. If my role is there, I'll concede it to everyone. If not, TD is probably already typing up his story he's been slowly prepping against me today already so I'll be toast

I mean if you want... sure...

1. Flower Child - Fits with you biding your time. Wouldn't work unless there was someone you want to save form a lynch.
2. Judge - Fits with your mention of "hanging" in the quote I've had, but also fits biding time because you have to wait for a no-lynch day. My hang up is you claim it isn't a kill role. A judge kills.
3. Sheriff - The most likely since it loosely fits the "hanging" and you need to guess someone killed. So like me, you're playing a 1 in X chance of guessing right.

 

[finlandguy]

I mean if you want... sure...

1. Flower Child - Fits with you biding your time. Wouldn't work unless there was someone you want to save form a lynch.
2. Judge - Fits with your mention of "hanging" in the quote I've had, but also fits biding time because you have to wait for a no-lynch day. My hang up is you claim it isn't a kill role. A judge kills.
3. Sheriff - The most likely since it loosely fits the "hanging" and you need to guess someone killed. So like me, you're playing a 1 in X chance of guessing right.

Fuck.

I'll go vote for myself already.

 

[TD]

I'm changing my vote to shortkut.

We should've done it yesterday instead of randomly lynching Raine.

He is a solo role and on the chance that the Cupid'd pair is wolf/town, he's detrimental.

Unless someone can give us actual wolf evidence.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Local said in post 10 yesterday he checked kut and kat, kat died and he revealed kut was Cupid. Kut then confirmed his role. I'm inclined to believe him for now, personally

The wolf seer sees the exact role of a person. The first ever Bell Ringer claim was Benzine, as a wolf, claiming to have successfully targeted the right person and me, and outed me as the solo voter as an attempt to get me voted off instead of targeting wolves.

If Local is doing the same thing it's literally the exact same play as that game.

 

[TD]

@VashTheStampede
Give me two names by the end of the day.

 

[shortkut]

Okay Mr let's kill Raine.

You've been detrimental to the town since you were revealed to be Cupid.

No one argued against it. I didn’t single her out, I asked for another target on the off-chance Dean was telling the truth, so we do not lose 2 townies. She was on a few sus lists, as were you. Don’t try to pin this on me because you haven’t brought anything usable to the table. People need to die to find the wolves or we are guaranteed to lose

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm changing my vote to shortkut.

We should've done it yesterday instead of randomly lynching Raine.

He is a solo role and on the chance that the Cupid'd pair is wolf/town, he's detrimental.

Unless someone can give us actual wolf evidence.

Also if the pair is wolf/wolf, obviously.

Dunno why you'd leave that out.

 

[VashTheStampede]

@VashTheStampede
Give me two names by the end of the day.

TD and Smacktard

 

[Jon]

The wolf seer sees the exact role of a person. The first ever Bell Ringer claim was Benzine, as a wolf, claiming to have successfully targeted the right person and me, and outed me as the solo voter as an attempt to get me voted off instead of targeting wolves.

If Local is doing the same thing it's literally the exact same play as that game.

Again, I can't be expected to know things that happened in games I wasn't a part of.

But I hear your point and will keep it in mind.

 

[Dean]

I'll be a lot more active tonight.

I know the wolves are trying to scapegoat me and make me look guilty. Please don't fall for it.

As far as switching yesterday, in the end, it was pointless. I wanted to provide an out and possibly not lynching Raine, because I was sure she wasn't a wolf. I know not lynching is just delaying the inevitable painful death, but killing townies isn't a winning strategy.

I would seriously question anybody who is trying to build a case against me, like TD and Alu.

 

[TD]

TD and Smacktard

...I can't check myself!
If you want me to check Kelly again though I will.

 

[TD]

Also if the pair is wolf/wolf, obviously.

Dunno why you'd leave that out.

Cause I'm pretty sure I know who one is based on what happened yesterday.

 

[VashTheStampede]

...I can't check myself!

So you choose then to wreck yourself

 

[shortkut]

I'm changing my vote to shortkut.

We should've done it yesterday instead of randomly lynching Raine.

He is a solo role and on the chance that the Cupid'd pair is wolf/town, he's detrimental.

Unless someone can give us actual wolf evidence.

I have no way to know if I selected a wolf. They cannot communicate with me and with the level I read posts, everyone else would find wolf clues before I did.

Changing vote to @TD for purposely being dense

 

[Jon]

Also if the pair is wolf/wolf, obviously.

Dunno why you'd leave that out.

I'm really beginning to believe this is the case...

At this point, if you're a townie and coupled, there is NO reason to not out it unless you are coupled with a guaranteed townie. If we can take out a wolf, it probably should happen because everything else it shit slinging.

 

[TD]

I have no way to know if I selected a wolf. They cannot communicate with me and with the level I read posts, everyone else would find wolf clues before I did.

Changing vote to @TD for purposely being dense

Someone with no loyalty to the town trying to just wipe everyone for the 3-person cupid win maybe?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Kelly being a passenger (unless I missed something) after being cleared by TD really dries my teeth.

 

[TD]

I'm really beginning to believe this is the case...

At this point, if you're a townie and coupled, there is NO reason to not out it unless you are coupled with a guaranteed townie. If we can take out a wolf, it probably should happen because everything else it shit slinging.

A townie/wolf combo will play to their win condition. Not the town or wolf win condition.

 

[Jon]

Someone with no loyalty to the town trying to just wipe everyone for the 3-person cupid win maybe?

If his couple is eliminated he still wins with the town... he has more loyalty to us than the wolves...

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Again, I can't be expected to know things that happened in games I wasn't a part of.

But I hear your point and will keep it in mind.

You didn't need to know that. You only needed to know that there are ways for wolves to find out exact roles.