Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 3

[TD]

That said, you did clear Vash yesterday. But so did two other people. You (TD) were very cryptic about him AND a wolf would still know who is cleared, so you could be feigning helpfulness. Something I don't put past you.

While fair, I did read him as blue.

It's a long standing play that when someone is 100% cleared, they're useless for the wolves to keep around and they become a target.

I wasn't comfortable doing that to Vash and wanted to see his take.

 

[Local Hero]

I dunno, something about you being a wolf is just... gnawing at me.

 

[Jon]

While fair, I did read him as blue.

It's a long standing play that when someone is 100% cleared, they're useless for the wolves to keep around and they become a target.

I wasn't comfortable doing that to Vash and wanted to see his take.

Also something I believe you to do. But you've been dead pretty much immediately in every game I've played with you so it was in my best interest to keep you around for learning purposes.

 

[TD]

Here's what I find interesting though - Dean was going for Alu yesterday, if he's the avenger, likely had him tagged.

Why didn't they kill Dean?

 

[Mark]

Unrelated to the game:

We have contractors here today to replace parts of my roof. I read my name as "A Subcontractor Sax" and it made me thing a name change to "A Subcontractor's Ass" is likely in order.

@Mark

That’s a done deal.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It's a long standing play that when someone is 100% cleared, they're useless for the wolves to keep around and they become a target.

And now I'm just a vanilla townie so I'm useless for the wolves to kill.

If anything I'll end up helping them lynch another townie.

 

[Jon]

Here's the thing... my current yellow (on my spreadsheet) village list is filled with assumed/hinted at roles. Which is why I WANT to believe them.

Which leaves me with Kelly and Jawneh as the most likely wolves and EITHER Dean or Benzine (both if Raposuh is village).

Now would be a very good time for @Benzine to try and prove his violinist role...

 

[TD]

Now would be a very good time for @Benzine to try and prove his violinist role...

There is no proving it though?

Same team? Raposuh and I could both be villagers or both be wolves.
Different team? One of us could be a wolf and one of us could be town.

For all we know, there could also be a Shaman Wolf to also further skew it.

 

[Jon]

And now I'm just a vanilla townie so I'm useless for the wolves to kill.

If anything I'll end up helping them lynch another townie.

I'm the VERY clear next target for the wolves. I'm the only protector left. I will not survive tonight either way. As a result, it's in my best interest to make the best of the next 24 hours because they are my last. I'm a little surprised I wasn't killed last night.

 

[Jon]

There is no proving it though?

Same team? Raposuh and I could both be villagers or both be wolves.
Different team? One of us could be a wolf and one of us could be town.

For all we know, there could also be a Shaman Wolf to also further skew it.

That's fair, but why I told him to check me. But he'd have to trust I was town. That would give us the info we need. Something about his action tell me he was telling the truth, though.

As of now, my wolf list is unofficially: Raposuh, Kelly, Jawneh and Dean.

 

[Jon]

Here's what I find interesting though - Dean was going for Alu yesterday, if he's the avenger, likely had him tagged.

Why didn't they kill Dean?

Also, they didn't kill Dean because we got a Mike Boogie promo out of it.

I'd say that was partly worth it.

 

[TD]

That's fair, but why I told him to check me. But he'd have to trust I was town. That would give us the info we need. Something about his action tell me he was telling the truth, though.

There's nothing to prove you are town.

Objectively, Vash & Alu and the dead knowns are the only known town.

You said some very questionable things yesterday that have me intrigued by you though.

 

[Local Hero]

@Jon, who have you protected each night?

 

[Jon]

There's nothing to prove you are town.

Objectively, Vash & Alu and the dead knowns are the only known town.

You said some very questionable things yesterday that have me intrigued by you though.

I know, I saw the eyeballs.

I can't prove my role without a protection though. I'm dead tonight anyway. The wolves know it. That alone will exonerate me, but I'm trying to do good in the meantime. Trust me when I say I would not post 200 times as a wolf. Keeping a lie going that long is hard enough, but watching everything you say as a baddie is draining. I've been more loose lipped because I'm comfortable being a townie.

There's no point in being obtuse anymore from my perspective. I'm the doctor and I have protections. The wolves MUST kill me tonight, so let's kill one of them before that happens in a lynch and I'll die happy.

 

[Jon]

@Jon, who have you protected each night?

Night 1 I protected #7 (since everyone seems to target #7). Turned out to be you.

Night 2 I protected TD.

Night 3 I protected Benzine.

 

[Local Hero]

Thanks big boy

 

[Jon]

Again, there is no need for me to be hiding anything anymore as with the corruptor dead and a couple more villagers confirmed, I'm pretty much the strongest role left since Vash's potions are burned.

 

[Jon]

Thanks big boy

Who did you check last night?

 

[Local Hero]

Again, there is no need for me to be hiding anything anymore as with the corruptor dead and a couple more villagers confirmed, I'm pretty much the strongest role left since Vash's potions are burned.

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Lol at me disagreeing with Vash about paying too much being note worthy enough to make the list

 

[Jon]

Who did you check last night?

Oh, nvm, you would have gotten Kut yesterday

 

[Jon]

Lol at me disagreeing with Vash about paying too much being note worthy enough to make the list

Shows potential alignment and stood out.

 

[Local Hero]

Who did you check last night?

Seeing Kat murdered traumatized me. Now I'm just hanging out with shortkut, too scared to ring a bell again

 

[shortkut]

You guys want to know why I wasn't believing Dean yesterday, now that I've been cleared? (doing this because now that I'm clear the wolves will likely target me again to reduce the "known" pool)

I mean it's entirely possible that he truly is what he says he is and we have two of the same thing...but it means we have two of the same thing.

Could Dean be the wolf avonger?

@Tommy Boy can you plug in what the spreadsheet looks like if alu and vash are the roles they claimed?

The issue I face right now is I don't know who to fully trust outside Vash and Alu.

You can trust me to not be a wolf

 

[Jon]

I didn't fully read the "once per game" part of your role. You were the first to claim he was cupid. And since kat dies that all fits. I'm actually going to have to lower you down the sus meter a bit because of that.

 

[Jon]

@Tommy Boy can you plug in what the spreadsheet looks like if alu and vash are the roles they claimed?

You know I legit just posted a spreadsheet showing much the same info right?

You can trust me to not be a wolf

Yes, but you still haven't named your couple (not asking you to unless one is a confirmed villager)... so I can't trust you to be pro town either.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm the VERY clear next target for the wolves. I'm the only protector left. I will not survive tonight either way. As a result, it's in my best interest to make the best of the next 24 hours because they are my last. I'm a little surprised I wasn't killed last night.

You were my other thought for protection last night but I just couldn't fully trust you after the last game.

The fact that you weren't attacked honestly concerns me.

 

[finlandguy]

Again, there is no need for me to be hiding anything anymore as with the corruptor dead and a couple more villagers confirmed, I'm pretty much the strongest role left since Vash's potions are burned.

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Since it's posed on your list, I did go as far as poking Raine to see what she had figured out about my role after the first hint day 1. Since then I've been floating around trying to make sense of things and waiting for my big break.

 

[Jon]

You were my other thought for protection last night but I just couldn't fully trust you after the last game.

The fact that you weren't attacked honestly concerns me.

I hear you. And I understand.

I also cannot believe I survived the night. Ask Zell... seconds after the chat closed and I picked my protect last night, I said... I don't expect to survive the night.

 

[TD]

There's no point in being obtuse anymore from my perspective. I'm the doctor and I have protections. The wolves MUST kill me tonight, so let's kill one of them before that happens in a lynch and I'll die happy.

You've said this every single day and yet you're still alive.

Your protection targets have all conveniently failed. You were allegedly sus of Benzine yesterday and you protected him?

What screams to me the most is you SAID Dean is the Wolf Avenger and you STILL voted Raine.

 

[Jon]

Since it's posed on your list, I did go as far as poking Raine to see what she had figured out about my role after the first hint day 1. Since then I've been floating around trying to make sense of things and waiting for my big break.

The issue I have with what I have on my sheet is that's eating away at me. You fully claimed a role in there and I didn't want to lose track of it. But I just do not see the role.

You did just admit to being the one Raine jailed though.

@TD - You pick up on hints and roles better than most left... what are your reads on Jawneh and Kelly? Both have claimed they've hinted, I've seen nothing.

 

[Jon]

You've said this every single day and yet you're still alive.

Your protection targets have all conveniently failed. You were allegedly sus of Benzine yesterday and you protected him?

What screams to me the most is you SAID Dean is the Wolf Avenger and you STILL voted Raine.

I know what I said, but I also said I had Raine higher on my list. I did not pick up the same things you guys did. It was a bad call, but if we lynched every townie whose made a bad call... oh wait...

You coming hard at me is just going to push me into the "you're a wolf" section and I really do not want to do that... Deep down you know I am 100% not a wolf... don't stir shit when the toilet is empty.

If I do not die tonight, it's you leading the wolves on a misdirection front.

 

[finlandguy]

You've said this every single day and yet you're still alive.

To be fair, it's even more intriquing why you're still alive this far in the game.


... Jon, you're not doing the doctor thing that we did right? You should still know the thing, yes?

 

[Jon]

I know what I said, but I also said I had Raine higher on my list. I did not pick up the same things you guys did. It was a bad call, but if we lynched every townie whose made a bad call... oh wait...

You coming hard at me is just going to push me into the "you're a wolf" section and I really do not want to do that... Deep down you know I am 100% not a wolf... don't stir shit when the toilet is empty.

If I do not die tonight, it's you leading the wolves on a misdirection front.

Also, my protections haven't necessarily "conveniently failed." I have a 1 in X chance at GUESSING right. You know the odds... don't make it sound as if I'm lying because odds weren't in my favor.

 

[TD]

@TD - You pick up on hints and roles better than most left... what are your reads on Jawneh and Kelly? Both have claimed they've hinted, I've seen nothing.

I'm very hesitent to trust you for what I stated above. I will not say specific roles. The fact that you and ONLY YOU were trying to push me on who else I cleared doesn't sit right with me either.

Jawneh - I'm suspicious of him. He's alluded to a town role, he says he's been nightmared. Could be true. Could be covered.

Kelly - I read him blue on Night 0. There is a situation that beats a blue read but the odds of that are low. He's hinted as well.

 

[TD]

To be fair, it's even more intriquing why you're still alive this far in the game.

I agree with you.

But it's also no secret that the TD effect is real and the longer I'm alive, the more sus I am. We're dealing with wolves who think they can get me killed by other means or are worried I'm protected.

 

[Jon]

To be fair, it's even more intriquing why you're still alive this far in the game.


... Jon, you're not doing the doctor thing that we did right? You should still know the thing, yes?

I assume you're referencing when we were wolves back in my first wolf game.. and if so, I'm old, no I have no idea what you're referencing. I'm not playing any meta game. I'm the doctor, I said it minutes into my first post in this entire game. i've tried to protect people I thought would be useful on some level. I'm not thinking about minute tricks or anything the like.

 

[TD]

Again, there is no need for me to be hiding anything anymore as with the corruptor dead and a couple more villagers confirmed, I'm pretty much the strongest role left since Vash's potions are burned.

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8 suspects a day!?
Well you have good odds of having some right.

 

[Jon]

I'm very hesitent to trust you for what I stated above. I will not say specific roles. The fact that you and ONLY YOU were trying to push me on who else I cleared doesn't sit right with me either.

That's fine then. I'm going to just zone out and read then. There is no point in me pushing myself if this is just mafia 2.0. I don't have a way to suicide in this game, but sowing the distrust and discourse is precisely what the wolves want.

Believe me or don't. You've trusted people for less and I've been nothing but honest and up front the whole game. I'm not going to get into an 800 post pissing match with someone who doesn't believe me.

 

[TD]

Believe me or don't. You've trusted people for less and I've been nothing but honest and up front the whole game. I'm not going to get into an 800 post pissing match with someone who doesn't believe me.

You mistake the way I play if you think I'm out here trusting people.

 

[Jon]

You mistake the way I play if you think I'm out here trusting people.

Semantics then.

You trusted Raine over Dean. That's what I'm saying.

In the end I've given no REAL indication I'm a wolf. You don't have to trust me. And I don't have to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I have around 22 hours to make my vote choice. I'm just not going to participate in a pissing contest with you about me trying to prove innocence. You do your thing. Don't trust me. It is really of no relevance to me.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I'm very hesitent to trust you for what I stated above. I will not say specific roles. The fact that you and ONLY YOU were trying to push me on who else I cleared doesn't sit right with me either.

Jawneh - I'm suspicious of him. He's alluded to a town role, he says he's been nightmared. Could be true. Could be covered.

Kelly - I read him blue on Night 0. There is a situation that beats a blue read but the odds of that are low. He's hinted as well.

@Zell 17 do the blind wolf and wolf seer show as blue since they're not voting until they resign their powers?

 

[TD]

@Zell 17 do the blind wolf and wolf seer show as blue since they're not voting until they resign their powers?

They do.

It's in the Spirit Seer description.

 

[finlandguy]

Jawneh

It's cool. Let Jon know what you think I hinted.

TD effect

This isn't the TD effect though. Day 1 spirit seer and apparently only thanks to the guy you're trying to poke holes in that saved you are you alive.

I assume you're referencing when we were wolves back in my first wolf game.. and if so, I'm old, no I have no idea what you're referencing. I'm not playing any meta game. I'm the doctor, I said it minutes into my first post in this entire game. i've tried to protect people I thought would be useful on some level. I'm not thinking about minute tricks or anything the like.

It's fine. There was a neat thing I was trying to reference that could've been applicable to this game thanks to that game. At least in my mind. Not sure if my logic follows me outside my brain.

 

[TD]

You trusted Raine over Dean. That's what I'm saying.

If you read what I said carefully, I said I was okay to leave her one more day.

My initial plan was to check her last night.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I hope the wolves are having as much trouble trusting each other because of Cupid as we are as a town.

 

[Jon]

This isn't the TD effect though. Day 1 spirit seer and apparently only thanks to the guy you're trying to poke holes in that saved you are you alive.

To be fair, I didn't protect him. He wasn't attack. He WAS my protect target though. Because I had enough respect to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's fine. There was a neat thing I was trying to reference that could've been applicable to this game thanks to that game. At least in my mind. Not sure if my logic follows me outside my brain.

I tried checking the chat, but it was large enough I didn't want to reread 3 pages.

 

[Jon]

I hope the wolves are having as much trouble trusting each other because of Cupid as we are as a town.

Unlikely. This bullshit is EXACTLY why the town is always on the cusp of losing. With all the twists in this version, it likely leads to it's demise.

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 do the blind wolf and wolf seer show as blue since they're not voting until they resign their powers?

Yes, this was a change made after game....5 or so? Made at the behest of the community to nerf spirit seers.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

They do.

It's in the Spirit Seer description.

Meaning outside of Vash, who has now proven himself to be the witch, and kut, who is successfully outed as the Cupid, we can't necessarily trust your reads.

Right?

 

[TD]

It's cool. Let Jon know what you think I hinted.

@Jon
Jawneh has alluded to cooking something many times. Every time I've seen him say this, it's some kind of kill role.

This isn't the TD effect though.

I mean the longer I'm alive I'm not trusted.

Remember the game I was seer and you jumped in front of an angry mob to save me?

That happened Day 2.
It took until Day 5 for people to actually trust me because I was left alive.