Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night3/Day3

[Fool's Requiem]

My vote was a joke, btw, but it could be my final vote.

Unskip for now.

 

[Kat]

Oh I was thinking of the wrong wolf, it's wolf seer:

11. Wolf Seer: Once per night can select a player and see their exact role. Selection is made via PM at night. Cannot vote with the other wolves unless they resign their ability to See. Once the ability is resigned it can never return. Aura: Evil

@Zell 17 will wolf seer show as red to sprit seer if the wolves make a kill? Or are they blue since they don't vote?

Also just going to point out right here that I publicly claimed Spirit Seer on Day 1 and absolutely nobody thought to fucking look at me?!

Nah, you've been on my suspicious list. I was just focused on the RK and I'm assuming they aren't impersonating a seer.

 

[Benzine]

My vote was a joke, btw, but it could be my final vote.

Unskip for now.

This better be the joke...

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (3 required):

Warp - 3 (VashTheStampede, Fool's Requiem, Benzine)
VashTheStampede - 2 (Ants!, Warp)

No votes - (Kat, Killface!)

Votes to skip (6 required):

Skip - 4 (Ants, Benzine, VashTheStampede, Warp)

No votes - (Kat, Killface!, Fool's Requiem)

 

[Ants!]

Oh shit. I forgot.

Kut is rooting for Vash. He wants Vash to survive to the end.

That doesn’t change anything, but I thought I would let him know.

It’s worth pointing out that he died before he could do any readings as a spirit seer. So this doesn’t mean kut has any information to give, just giving his opinion as a spectator.

Well that was... Not great but not as bad as it could've been.


So if Warp is good, then either Vash or Ants is a wolf. That means Warp definitely lied.

That means either Ants or Vash is innocent. If that's true, then if Vash is a townie, he'll kill Ants tonight and we win. If he doesn't kill Ants, then we know he's lying and we lynch him tomorrow.

This seems straightforward to me. Am I missing anything?

....

WAIT! The shaman wolf isn't involved in the killings, right? That's a possibility for the random wolf. Hmmm. I need to go read the roles again to see if there's anything else we're potentially missing.


I protected you.


We assumed Ryan was because he stated there was a nightmare wolf even though that wasn't guaranteed, but now we know he's s townie so we don't know anything.

My bad for killing you, Ryan.

This is a good point. If he is a spirit seer, then either Vash or myself is the remaining wolf and would have shown up red, not blue. So Warp is 100% caught in a lie here.

Votes to lynch (3 required):

Warp - 3 (VashTheStampede, Fool's Requiem, Benzine)
VashTheStampede - 1 (Ants!)

No votes - (Kat, Killface!, Warp)

Votes to skip (6 required):

Skip - 4 (Ants, Benzine, Fool's Requiem, VashTheStampede)

No votes - (Kat, Killface!, Warp)

I later took my skip vote back.

 

[Ants!]

I like kat’s plan. Switching my vote for Warp and calling Vash’s bluff tonight. Hopefully he’s arso and the last wolf doesn’t get a last meal.

 

[Benzine]

This is a good point. If he is a spirit seer, then either Vash or myself is the remaining wolf and would have shown up red, not blue. So Warp is 100% caught in a lie here.

Strikes me as a weird way to reply to something you have already said

 

[Killface!]

I can't be both a wolf and the Arsonist.

Well, not with that attitude you can’t.

 

[Benzine]

then calling it kats plan. lmao

 

[Ants!]

Strikes me as a weird way to reply to something you have already said

I neither had that realization nor made that point. Not sure where you got that from.

 

[Ants!]

then calling it kats plan. lmao

I voted for Vash until she said that, dude.

 

[Benzine]

I neither had that realization nor made that point. Not sure where you got that from.

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Zell Wolf - GWF Wolf - Zell's Version3 Night3/Day3

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[Kat]

Town wins if they choose right.

7 players, 3 suspects, 2 badies.

Worst case scenario:
1. Lynch a townie. 6 people left.
2. Wolf kills, arso on recharge. 5 left.
3. Lynch final wolf. 4 people left.
4. Arso claims 2 more victims.
5. Tie between arso and last townie. Not enough numbers to lynch, so arso eventually wins.

Other bad scenario:
1. Lynch a townie. 6 people left.
2. Wolf kills, arso on recharge. 5 left.
3. Lynch the arso. 4 left.
4. Wolf kills. 3 left.
5. Very last chance to lynch the last wolf, hopefully those last two townies get their shit together.

Another bad scenario:
1. Lynch a wolf. 6 people left.
2. Arso on recharge. 6 people left.
3. Lynch a townie. 5 left.
4. Arso kills. 3 left.
5. Last chance to lynch arso and not lose the game.

Best scenario:
1. Lynch a wolf. 6 people left.
2. Arso on recharge. 6 people left.
3. Lynch arso. Town wins.

It sounds like so long as we get the arsonist tonight or tomorrow, we're good.

I hate to play into this because Vash is almost certainly fucking with us to live another day, but if we lynch Warp, we'll know for sure who all is innocent and who is eating and burning villagers in the night tomorrow. The only way it ends badly is if Warp is innocent and we lynch the wolf and not the arsonist tomorrow. So long as Warp is guilty, we'll know for sure if Vash or Ants is the other baddie.

There's also a good chance that Cole was the random wolf or that the random wolf isn't a seer. If either of those is true, Warp is definitely guilty, because then Ants and Vash would not have a blue aura the first day.

Does it make sense for Killface to spell Warp just in case the wolf seer threw off her reading? I don't think we need it if she's actually guilty.

 

[Ants!]

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You mean the last line? I didn’t actually draw any conclusions from that yet, and at the time I was considering the possibility that Ryan was the fifth wolf and there could be two townies left (me and Warp). So I voted for Vash because he would have shown up as blue as the arso not killing anyone yet. But then Fool made his point about the kill order and that convinced me that neither one of them can be townie because Ryan is.

 

[Raine]

All the quotes. ALL of them! Even the fluff ones!

I've gotta do a bunch of work for the next 90 minutes but we can nut this one out I reckon.

You're doing this intentionally, aren't you. You are!

HERE IS THE INTERESTING THING: Warp claimed he checked both me and Vash on the first night and we came back as blue.

And you both loved me until today.

Really just confirms you're both not wolves, though. Which... I mean, yeah? There aren't any wolves left.

All 5 wolves can't be dead. Wolf kill occurs after Solo Killer, and we still had one person die to a wolf.

I would still actually like confirmation for this.

'Cause... that seems like a pretty damn hard counter on Solo Killer, on top of all the other problems inherent to that role. This gametype is weird.

Three of the 5 wolves are scratched out. Cole was a wolf and died while the Confusion Wolf used their ability. A wolf remains. Ryan was not a wolf.

Why is Ryan not a wolf when 1) Ryan is the one that name dropped Nightmare Wolf and 2) died the same night Cole did, also under Confusion status.

I mean, if you think that independent of what we know, fine. But like logically the train derails.

Cole was a wolf. But since the confusion wolf let out his ability, we don’t know WHICH wolf. 1 wolf remains.

See, like this.

But I mean functionally it's like this: Cole either was the Guardian Wolf, or commanded his subordinate to use it on him and not save it for themselves/something else. Which... yeah that sounds like Cole.

This entire game sounds like Cole. That's been the damn problem. And TD was also a wolf, and Alu (sorta). These are big fucking names thrown at the town all at once, it's no wonder we're running around with our heads cut off.

I'm not sus Warp, you're sus

I intentionally Sus'd this post, un-Sus'd it, AND THEN SUS'D IT AGAIN. I hope you noticed!

No skips today, pal. Only person who would want a skip right now is a guilty person who wants to hurry and pin their crimes on someone else.

I mean, yes. But more, don't skip until everyone gets here.

Which they have now, so... vote skip away!

This. And don’t make it public knowledge who you use it on, same as with protectors.

I've been trying to tell you guys stuff like this the entire game. No one listened. The only reason people didn't get Nightmare'd (Berserk'd or whatever if you don't believe Ryan) is because he was already dead.

I even went out of my way to try and hint at, and then kinda directly told... someone... to not do something very, very dangerous. And they did it! TWICE?! I kinda feel mean point this out, but I think I do need to bring it up in the post-game...

Not me?

I forgot why I quoted this...

Okay I preview'd and clicked. You not being protected is kinda dumb since the crux of some of this is whether or not Ryan was a wolf. Which, uh, you're the only person that could speak to him.

What did the dead have to say for themselves, anyway? Was Ryan still claiming Aura Seer? Or just not talking? Or... what?

Also the wolves not at least taking a shot at you, while there were 2 (or 3, yes), was... A Choice™.

Ritualist: Can speak with the dead at night. At anytime, including the first night, can cast a spell on any player who is alive. The ritualist at any time can change who is spelled. If the spelled player dies, they will be resurrected at the end of the next phase if they are a villager. If they are not a villager, the ritualist will be unable to change their spell until the end of the next phase, but the evil player will not be revived. The spell will remain after the ritualist is killed. Only one player may be revived per game. Aura: Unknown.

The problem is that the Ritualist can only cast a spell on a player who is currently alive. They cannot revive a player who is dead already. We can't randomly lynch and hope for the best. Basically, Killface has to put a spell on a confirmed good guy (and only a confirmed good guy), and hope he doesn't get killed by a wolf instead. If we lynch the wolf this round, it will not matter as I don't believe the Arso can do anything tonight but douse.

See, look at you go. Doin' the things, making the calls, pointing out the fact!

You're getting good.

Except for when you're not. But at least you're cute then. ...Until you're coming from my head, then you're not that either! lol

I figured the wolves might try to take him out before he gets his second shot off.

See, Ants gets it. Wolf/Mafia doesn't usually have the possibility of just, y'know, canceling something out if you bump 'em on the head. Unless it's specifically some sort of blocker, or protector, or whatever. I have so much to figure out about this gametype...

5. Nightmare Wolf: Can cause a player to fall asleep during the night, thus being unable to use any abilities. Up to two uses. During the day, must notify by PM the player to fall asleep for the subsequent night. If the medium is nightmared, they will lose access to the dead forum for one night/day cycle. Nightmared players can still vote to skip. Aura: Evil.

Didn't we have someone confirm themselves to be nightmared or am I mistaken?

HEY. HEY! That was me.

Ryan made a slip on Day 1 that literally only I caught or remembered. He named the Nightmare Wolf specifically.

And, I was the one that got put to sleep. By Dean. In the previous game, at the end, where the town all showed the entirety of their hand. And then wondered why the game got drug out longer than necessary.

I wonder if Alu accidentally slipped up on anything and let us know of someone was a wolf? Doubtful, but maybe.

I might skim over the first two threads to see.

As far as I can recall, Alu played it 100% as a townie publicly the entire game. I mean he functionally was a townie until/unless he gave up his role, but yeah. He was actually really helpful and low-key, he confirmed both Kat and canadaguy for us.

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Okay, done. Sorry if that's really long... it says 634 words.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Wait there's totally a wolf left, right?

Warp are you gaslighting me?

 

[Benzine]

You mean the last line? I didn’t actually draw any conclusions from that yet, and at the time I was considering the possibility that Ryan was the fifth wolf and there could be two townies left (me and Warp). So I voted for Vash because he would have shown up as blue as the arso not killing anyone yet. But then Fool made his point about the kill order and that convinced me that neither one of them can be townie because Ryan is.

Didn't draw any conclusions but left the possibility of only one thing being the case. Then when someone else says it you back 'em up. You're not on the team with the wolf, you want to be alive longer for more chances to burn people.

 

[Kat]

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Yeah, and he completely ignored my caveat about the wolf seer, even though he's been the wolf seer.

Honestly all three of y'all are sus AF and I'd happily lynch the lot of you given the chance.

I vote Warp and skip. Killface, I'll leave it up to you if you want to spell her on the off chance she's innocent. Berserker is technically also a possibility, which could leave us down an extra person or even two if Benzine and I protect the same person.

 

[Ants!]

Didn't draw any conclusions but left the possibility of only one thing being the case. Then when someone else says it you back 'em up. You're not on the team with the wolf, you want to be alive longer for more chances to burn people.

I thought Warp was seer because of that, and Ryan was wolf and that left Vash as the arso.

That is what I was starting to think at the time, and my subsequent actions back it up because, again, I voted for Vash.

 

[Benzine]

If Warp is the wolf maybe it is best to use the spell thing, because the arsonist can't hurt us tonight.

 

[Benzine]

I thought Warp was seer because of that, and Ryan was wolf and that left Vash as the arso.

That is what I was starting to think at the time, and my subsequent actions back it up because, again, I voted for Vash.

Selling Ryan being a wolf to me is never going to work, I've never been in favour of that line of thinking as it's never made sense.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Or if Warp is the arsonist, we lynch Ants the wolf so he doesn't get one last kill off?

 

[Kat]

Wait there's totally a wolf left, right?

Warp are you gaslighting me?

Yeah there's a wolf left. The wolves killed after the arsonist killed, so there must still be a wolf.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Or if Warp is the arsonist, we lynch Ants the wolf so he doesn't get one last kill off?

Wait nvm, I got this

 

[Ants!]

Selling Ryan being a wolf to me is never going to work, I've never been in favour of that line of thinking as it's never made sense.

Again: I haven’t thought he was since Fool mentioned the kill order.

Getting tired of repeating myself.

 

[Benzine]

We don't have any way of knowing for sure, there's no such evidence.

I like going for Warp due to all the allusion of telling the truth, that you aren't a wolf, that Ants isn't a wolf. That seeming true.

And if it's the other way around, it's ok, kill them anyway. Let's get to snapping necks.

 

[Benzine]

Again: I haven’t thought he was since Fool mentioned the kill order.

Getting tired of repeating myself.

The long sleep will help with the tiredness.

 

[Ants!]

Oh, resuming my skip vote.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Why is Ryan not a wolf when 1) Ryan is the one that name dropped Nightmare Wolf and 2) died the same night Cole did, also under Confusion status.

There can be two Spirit Seers. It is possible that Ryan was in fact a Spirit Seer. Cole is a wolf. This is a fact.

Wait there's totally a wolf left, right?

Warp are you gaslighting me?

Yes, there is only one wolf.

 

[Killface!]

I forgot why I quoted this...

Okay I preview'd and clicked. You not being protected is kinda dumb since the crux of some of this is whether or not Ryan was a wolf. Which, uh, you're the only person that could speak to him.

What did the dead have to say for themselves, anyway? Was Ryan still claiming Aura Seer? Or just not talking? Or... what?

HOLY SHIT. I'm glad someone finally asked. I honestly thought everyone would be asking what Ryan had to say.

I also just want to be useful and use my powers.

I wrote this earlier and then PM'd myself:

Okay, so i'm going to write out what happened during the dead thread since i've been gone:

I left. Ryan arrived.

He claimed that he was Aura Seer and called us idiots for killing him. He said we should have gone with his plan.. blah blah. He's pretty upset at this point that we got rid of him.

Cole called me "buddy".

Leading theories are that wolves are Cole, FR, Kat, Benzine.

Ryan started talking about chess or something.

Ryan said he had a bunch of things to tell me when I arrived:

@Killface! Here's a message you can relay for me. Given my back and forth with Cole which you can catch up on in this thread, it's pretty apparent I was telling the truth. I am an Aura Seer. Everyone else claiming needs to be highly suspicious. Kut was the Spirit Seer and it's pretty evident FR is lying. He needs to be target number one.

Tell Kat, if she is the Witch, I don't blame her, but she made a major goof. The reason I wanted to be lynched day one was because it would have given validation to everything I'm saying. I figured the Wolves wouldn't kill me as it just ruins things for them. It was a gambit. Sacrifice one piece in order to gain a far better winning position. I knew if I died to them or other means it would have been a Confusion kill. It would have clouded everything so they could cast doubt.

Do not trust Local. Do not trust FR. Get rid of them asap.

Cole and Ryan! started (again) going back and forth and each other.

Shortkut said he is rooting for Vash.

"Cole: well I mean, Ryans in here. So there's not *THAT* many wolves left."

"Ryan!: You know Killface isn't dumb enough for you being this obvious, right?"

OH HOW WRONG HE IS.

Uhh. There was a lot more going back and forth about how Ryan! is/isn't a wolf.. Cole pretending? Ryan! pretending?

Kut has been following the thread but doesn't have any information from us.

I made a joke. Ryan gets upset that I made a joke. "gg wolves".

Honestly, that's about it. I think I summed it up pretty well.

 

[Benzine]

We best be sound asleep by the time I get back from picking up my daughter, which is now.

 

[Kat]

HOLY SHIT. I'm glad someone finally asked. I honestly thought everyone would be asking what Ryan had to say.

I also just want to be useful and use my powers.

I wrote this earlier and then PM'd myself:

Lmao, I take it back, I'm not sorry for killing Ryan at all. Thanks for sharing! I did want to know too, I just assumed you would share if you had anything noteworthy.

 

[Raine]

Ants switched his vote, so that's a wrap. Womp womp.

I'm off to bed. Have fun, everyone! Will catch up on the dead chat and post-game chat over the weekend. Good god am I tired.

Spoiler: Actual game spoiler.

Nah, you've been on my suspicious list. I was just focused on the RK and I'm assuming they aren't impersonating a seer.

Yes. Unfortunately you're not a Seer, which is what I'm dumbfounded about. I didn't even have to try and convince anyone about the Shaman.

...And no one from the town seems to remember that's a thing.

Wait there's totally a wolf left, right?

Warp are you gaslighting me?

Yes. Am I good at it? I can't tell.

We don't have any way of knowing for sure, there's no such evidence.

I like going for Warp due to all the allusion of telling the truth, that you aren't a wolf, that Ants isn't a wolf. That seeming true.

And if it's the other way around, it's ok, kill them anyway. Let's get to snapping necks.

That's how I roll. I play a wolf playing a townie every time.

I've decided that I like the cut of your jib. Smash skulls, work out details later. Blood for the blood god.

HOLY SHIT. I'm glad someone finally asked.

Someone had to.

Might as well be your enemy, right?

 

[Killface!]

Do I have to make it official?

Vote Warp and Skip

 

[VashTheStampede]

skip

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Ok, this is going to seem really silly, but bare with me.

Why am I alive? Despite both the Warden and the Marksman attempting to get me killed, I live on. The wolves know I have the ability to single one of them out and if I got lynched that one wolf I single out gets killed. I pointed out Cole immediately, and regardless of whether the townies believed me, if I did it again, the second I get lynched and my role revealed, it become EXTREMELY obvious that the person I singled out was bad.

So, why risk me being alive to point out a wolf?

Because they think I'm a moron who is bad at the game.
This may be true, but that is an extremely viable reason to keep me around. They chose to kill Local Hero, someone who stated they've NEVER played this game before. That is an easy target for manipulation. But instead they kept me alive. Maybe if the arso doesn't light the town ablaze tonight, I get murdered by the wolves tonight to avoid potential future damage, but I think someone might consider me someone they can manipulate into believing they're on my side.

Misguided as it may sound, I don't think Ants would do that and risk keeping me around to single him or a teammate out, even though I know he thinks I'm a moron.

Warp has sent ALL SORTS of signals in my direction. Calling me "cute" (though in a "haha, you're dumb cute" type of way), reacting to a lot of my comments, while also pointing out my mistakes this game.
Then there's Vash. I'm like 75% sure the last time I was a townie who made it to the end, it was him that convinced me to side with him. But it was so long ago, I honestly don't remember if it was Vash or someone else. However, I do get the vibe that he is smart... or at least wants people to think he's smart.

Taking all the into consideration, Vash and Warp have voted for each other. I think those are our baddies.

I think Vash is our wolf, and Warp is our Arso.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Now, watch me be completely wrong...

 

[VashTheStampede]

However, I do get the vibe that he is smart... or at least wants people to think he's smart.

Well you're definitely half right

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Well you're definitely half right

I want you to know that when I said "10/10, would protect Vash first round again", I meant it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hope I wasn't being too much of a dick with all the sorcerer stuff earlier. Just having some fun.

I will now bestow upon you the name of my favorite sorcerer: Doctor Strange

 

[Killface!]

@Zell 17 I think we've come to a decision.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Hope I wasn't being too much of a dick with all the sorcerer stuff earlier. Just having some fun.

I will now bestow upon you the name of my favorite sorcerer: Doctor Strange

Well... I'm definitely strange, that's for sure.

 

[Kat]

Anyone want to bet on whether Vash or Ants is the firestarter? I'm betting Vash based on nothing more than a gut feeling. Of course, I was wrong about Ryan and Local Hero, so we all know my gut isn't the most reliable thing.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Should I start spamming Simpsons gifs now?

 

[Killface!]

Anyone want to bet on whether Vash or Ants is the firestarter? I'm betting Vash based on nothing more than a gut feeling. Of course, I was wrong about Ryan and Local Hero, so we all know my gut isn't the most reliable thing.

I said Vash yesterday. So money is still on him.

 

[Killface!]

Should I start spamming Simpsons gifs now?

This is how you get Cole to come back from the dead. He will never miss a Simpsons gif fest.

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Killface!]

Something is weird about Vash posting these FIRE related Simpsons gifs.