Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version VI Night 2 / Day 2

[Ants!]

Yeah I have no read on who the Instigator paired up with, but I figured they would still be claiming their role.

 

[Ants!]

So we lynching Alu, Local or Jawneh?

(Sorry guys, I love two of you).

 

[canadaguy]

Alphabetical?

 

[Ants!]

I think the RNG was bad luck for the wolves this game. The 3 random roles are there for them to hide, but by random number they killed the first one and then I confirmed the second by just happening to pick the same random number they did. They would have had to react quickly and make a bold move to claim the non-random roles before the real players with those roles do, but I think it was hard for them to do that with their own shadow wolf power shutting down wolf chat.

 

[Ants!]

Alphabetical?

Hey, the man himself always suggests it. Lol

 

[Jawneh]

Is there any good ideas on who could be instigated on the town side? Personally I was vary of canadaguy and vash thanks to yesterday, but if Tommy is to be believed to be the violinist, then I'm only down to consider vash.

Beyond that, I haven't seen any super out of place claims. Ben is potentially lying, but with good reason (heh, since he's already confirmed good too). Many a folk are quiet so hard to tell for sure.

I just hope Ants and his mega eggplant dont lead us astray since thats a lot of votes. Or this new (real?) talkative benzine?

I'm starting to ramble and confuse myself soon.

 

[canadaguy]

Is there any good ideas on who could be instigated on the town side? Personally I was vary of canadaguy and vash thanks to yesterday, but if Tommy is to be believed to be the violinist, then I'm only down to consider vash.

Beyond that, I haven't seen any super out of place claims. Ben is potentially lying, but with good reason (heh, since he's already confirmed good too). Many a folk are quiet so hard to tell for sure.

I just hope Ants and his mega eggplant dont lead us astray since thats a lot of votes. Or this new (real?) talkative benzine?

I'm starting to ramble and confuse myself soon.

Aaaaaand you are?

 

[Jawneh]

Aaaaaand you are?

I'm actually the farmer myself, with me or Ben actually being the farmer and the other an actual role that is useful.

 

[Jawneh]

Stupid phone fat fingers and typos. Edited the typos out above.

 

[Ants!]

Is there any good ideas on who could be instigated on the town side? Personally I was vary of canadaguy and vash thanks to yesterday, but if Tommy is to be believed to be the violinist, then I'm only down to consider vash.

Beyond that, I haven't seen any super out of place claims. Ben is potentially lying, but with good reason (heh, since he's already confirmed good too). Many a folk are quiet so hard to tell for sure.

I just hope Ants and his mega eggplant dont lead us astray since thats a lot of votes. Or this new (real?) talkative benzine?

I'm starting to ramble and confuse myself soon.

Lol called it. Vash was picked to be the next lynch target by the wolves.

 

[Ants!]

CG’s suggestion is as good as any. We all agree to send a vote for Alu?

 

[Jawneh]

Lol called it. Vash was picked to be the next lynch target by the wolves.

He's the obvious one, right? With 4 seers plus conjuror to start the game with, you got to kill them off as fast as you can. It didn't help that vash also picked off the only extra kill the wolves had right off the gate on day one.

 

[Ben]

I don't think the town have any information to say who we should definitely vote for. I think we should all say really quick who we want to vote for. We will have time where we're all on in my morning to make sure we're on the same page. @Raposuh @Ben anyone else not super active (which is fine no judgment from me), let us know how active you'll be to change votes/cast costs I guess.

My bad, long day then was watching Alone with the Mrs.

I agree with Benzine. I do think our biggest problem is going to be the Instigator and their recruits. Even the villagers who have used their roles for the benefit of the village so far could still be a recruit, just playing it smart.

We also have to consider that the instigator team has access to information from both sides. I don't think anywhere in the rules it stated that the recruited wolf cannot communicate with the other wolves, so there are three people playing with a lot more information than the rest of us.

AND if we kill one of the recruits, while the other will die too, the Instigator then gets a night kill. So lynching the recruited wolf not only loses us the other villager recruit, but whoever the Instigator wants to take out. And I think they'd be more inclined to eliminate villagers, as if they get rid of the all wolves except the recruit, it's much easier for the village to win before the Instigator team.

I have been suspicious of Alu and Local, if only for seeming uncharacteristically quiet. I have nothing to go on other than vibes.

I'm actually the farmer myself, with me or Ben actually being the farmer and the other an actual role that is useful.

I tend not to believe that we're going to get duplicate roles randomly, especially that out of the 20 possible roles we happen to pull a second useless potato pusher. Not to say it's impossible but the odds aren't good.

I'm the real Slim Shady, so what actual role are you?

 

[Tubby23]

Ben mentioning odds has triggered my PTSD of Ryan.

 

[Benzine]

Jawneh is guilty because Kelly already said that Ben was innocent? I could EASILY be misremembering and haven't double checked.

 

[Tubby23]

Jawneh is guilty because Kelly already said that Ben was innocent? I could EASILY be misremembering and haven't double checked.

Kelly said Ben had a good aura, Vash has confirmed Jawneh did not kill last night.

Either can still be the farmer or an unconfirmed town role

 

[Benzine]

Right thanks that's what I forgot. Farmer is guaranteed role. So Jawneh could (but super likely ISN'T, as Vash wouldn't have had the good reads he's had so far [unless they were part of the instig team and have been TOLD who the wolves are {what would Christina think of someone else telling Vash all roles <fear my parentheses>}, and that kind of works, right?] on both positive and negative people) still be a townie.

Sorry.

There could be value in actually just trying to kill Jawneh as a group. Because, if Jawneh is a townie, then that is all 3 random roles covered. Then we would know Vash is a naughty boy.

Or Jawneh would die a wolf.

Please double check my thinking.

 

[Tubby23]

Sorry the parentheses have done me in but are you saying:

• Jawneh could be a townie but you feel likely isn't because of Vash's reads (I don't follow because Vash's read was said he didn't kill); or
• Jawneh is bad and Vash has been instigated and as such has falsified his read to protect Jawneh

Is that right? Sorry 6 parentheses deep and I was struggling telling up from down.

 

[Ants!]

My bad, long day then was watching Alone with the Mrs.

I agree with Benzine. I do think our biggest problem is going to be the Instigator and their recruits. Even the villagers who have used their roles for the benefit of the village so far could still be a recruit, just playing it smart.

We also have to consider that the instigator team has access to information from both sides. I don't think anywhere in the rules it stated that the recruited wolf cannot communicate with the other wolves, so there are three people playing with a lot more information than the rest of us.

AND if we kill one of the recruits, while the other will die too, the Instigator then gets a night kill. So lynching the recruited wolf not only loses us the other villager recruit, but whoever the Instigator wants to take out. And I think they'd be more inclined to eliminate villagers, as if they get rid of the all wolves except the recruit, it's much easier for the village to win before the Instigator team.

I have been suspicious of Alu and Local, if only for seeming uncharacteristically quiet. I have nothing to go on other than vibes.

I tend not to believe that we're going to get duplicate roles randomly, especially that out of the 20 possible roles we happen to pull a second useless potato pusher. Not to say it's impossible but the odds aren't good.

I'm the real Slim Shady, so what actual role are you?

That’s a good point. Do we go for the instigator first, then?

Ben mentioning odds has triggered my PTSD of Ryan.

Hey, we backed off mentioning 5D chess since he left!

Also Alu is the one who gets hard over stats.

 

[Tubby23]

That’s a good point. Do we go for the instigator first, then?

Hey, we backed off mentioning 5D chess since he left!

Also Alu is the one who gets hard over stats.

As an accountant and stats nerd, I'm fairly hard for the stats too. I'm just not packing an eggplant

 

[Ben]

That’s a good point. Do we go for the instigator first, then?

I initially thought if we got the Instigator directly then the recruits would no longer be an issue, but the recruits don't seem to die if the Instigator does first and it does say they can no longer win with their original team. (@Zell 17 - If the Instigator dies, do the recruits still have to try to win solo, not with the original teams?)

As an accountant and stats nerd, I'm fairly hard for the stats too. I'm just not packing an eggplant

You're all egg, no plant.

I'll be heading to bed soon, and 9am will be here pretty fast. Unless there's a bevy of information come morning, I think I'm going to vote Jawneh and if nothing else eliminate competition at the village farmer's market.

 

[Jawneh]

I tend not to believe that we're going to get duplicate roles randomly, especially that out of the 20 possible roles we happen to pull a second useless potato pusher. Not to say it's impossible but the odds aren't good.

I'm the real Slim Shady, so what actual role are you?

I'm good at drawing heat. What better way to draw heat than being a useless role.

And we did just pull two spirit seers this game.

Anyhow, the gist of my game before falling into the shadows was to get Kelly verify me as a good (fuck) and noninstigated like Ben. At the same time bith me and Ben can be on the side lines with one a farmer and then other a good role to avoid the wolves getting a hit on the important one. 50/50 in a confusing situation is better than just one person being verified goodguy.

There could be value in actually just trying to kill Jawneh as a group. Because, if Jawneh is a townie, then that is all 3 random roles covered. Then we would know Vash is a naughty boy.

To emphasize, I'm not actually a farmer, but claiming farmer. Or I'm a farmer and Ben is another town role. Who the heck knows now since i riled everyone up. Vash is a spirit seer thanks to day 1 with Kelly backing up his claim and we killed a wolf. All random roles covered.

 

[Benzine]

Sorry guys, I'm almost at the end of my work day, then I have dinner, then I might have time to make a more quality post, and then I have to put my child to bed and all that's involved, then I can argue some or whatever.

 

[Jawneh]

The main reason I'm bring vash up as an instigated lad is thanks to his free day1 pass for killing the zerker wolf. Easy early +1 rep for townies, but also killing the biggest threat to him on the wolf side. Hitting a 1/4 roll on a spirit seer night 1 on a wolf isn't that outlandish, but specifically the one threat there was? The town would want to protect vash and seeing Kelly died last night it seems the flagger or doctor or both went with vash. Now he'd be running wild easy as long as his wolf buddy doesn't get killed until as late as possible.

 

[Ants!]

I'll be heading to bed soon, and 9am will be here pretty fast. Unless there's a bevy of information come morning, I think I'm going to vote Jawneh and if nothing else eliminate competition at the village farmer's market.

Day will end at 9PM so nothing to worry about. I’m holding off on voting skip until the rest of the town reports in and has a say.

 

[Benzine]

So if Jawneh is a farmer, that's the last random role. And would mean that Vash wasn't the spirit seer - and could still know who a wolf is if he was part of the instigator team... But he'd have to still be something to be on the instig team... And there aren't any spots left? So that doesn't really make sense, Vash would have to be a wolf or the instigator themselves. Because... it would be really dangerous to start saying you've found baddies and goodies and not get searched yourself in a game with the instigator. I just don't really see it?

When you combine that with the idea that Jawneh is just a fucken farmer at worst for the town (at best a baddie). Who cares if we kill him? We don't know for sure who a safe bet is, but Jawneh looks like a potential wolf and will out Vash as a not-townmember if he is a farmer... Right?

I say we vote Jawneh at this junction.

 

[Ben]

Day will end at 9PM so nothing to worry about. I'm holding off on voting skip until the rest of the town reports in and has a say.

Fuck. I'm dumb and started thinking it was night phase because it's night outside...

Well then, more time for the convincing.

 

[Benzine]

I am the conjuror.

I think the flagger should protect me.

I think the doctor should protect the flagger. If the doctor dies, so be it.

I am scared the doctor is the instigators partner though. So that plan could be dangerous.

 

[Benzine]

and ben i keep forgetting to say, you don't have to apologise for not being about. your replies are excellent, rich with info, and we are all adults with shit to do. so shut up farmboi

 

[Benzine]

@VashTheStampede please tell me who you are going to try and search tonight so we don't double up. I'm happy to answer first but I probably won't know who that is until I wake up tomorrow and we've got time so no rush. I am going to wear Kelly's skin so will only be aura seeing.

@Ants! how does it feel to be worth 1.5 wolves today.

 

[Jawneh]

So if Jawneh is a farmer, that's the last random role. And would mean that Vash wasn't the spirit seer

... no. Between me and Ben there's 1 farmer, 1 other good town role. There's no 2nd farmer other than to rile up confusion.

Which is working wonders lol!

 

[Benzine]

And how stink is it that Zell won't let me steal wolf powers. My first two thoughts were "hey I can become a wolf and get invited into the wolf chat!" and "when the game is near the end i can become a wolf and win as a wolf!". But Zell isn't letting me have fun!

 

[Benzine]

... no. Between me and Ben there's 1 farmer, 1 other good town role. There's no 2nd farmer other than to rile up confusion.

Which is working wonders lol!

you're saying you're not a farmer but a good role. same sorta thing applies though i guess. what are you then.

 

[Tubby23]

I am the conjuror.

I think the flagger should protect me.

I think the doctor should protect the flagger. If the doctor dies, so be it.

I am scared the doctor is the instigators partner though. So that plan could be dangerous.

The flagger would do well to aim their deflection back on the wolves.

 

[Jawneh]

you're saying you're not a farmer but a good role. same sorta thing applies though i guess. what are you then.

Ben and I combined make a small farming town's judge where everyone is out milking cows.

 

[Jawneh]

But I guess it makes no sense for my farmer gambit now since push came to shove.

Which brings us to Holly.

 

[Jawneh]

Bah, I went to lay down for the night, but came back since I don't think I hammered down my point good enough.

I wanted to get Kelly aura read on me as good so that I'd be crosses out as a potential wolf and instigated lad. At worst, since my rambling did sound sus, like canadaguy was going on about me all day, I'd possibly get one of the four spirit seer picks from the seer itself and conjuror. I'd for sure not be a wolf no matter what. Ideally I would've gotten the full clear and Ben would've played ball with me claiming a good town role that was verified to get heat from the wolves and possibly later the instigator.

But since that didn't work I just came out now. My checkmark would've right away given me credit to get heat on Holly as well as wolf, instigator or instigated role claimer. Probably not the last one, but one of the other for sure.

 

[Jawneh]

So for tonight you can just lynch me for being weird and failing my plan. But ideally we'd flagger vash in case I'm wrong about him and doctor benzine if he's the conjurer. Vash can seer me and Holly if not done yet to get wolf off and benzine can aura me to get rid of both wolf and instigation. We'd have me clean, benzine conjuror cleared, and vash... well, if Holly's the instigator then he's in a pickle as instigated. Or we find the instigator and vash gets cleared there. But if Holly is a wolf then it clears itself out better.

 

[Jawneh]

Also I apologize for just typing a block of text without spacing. I hate myself for doing that. Edit: okay, not that bad, but kind of bad on mobile.

And I also hate myself for staying up an hour later than normal. I probably won't wake up until like noon and miss out on my bg3 time.

 

[Benzine]

@Raposuh what's your role bro i'm writing a post and it'd help if you said

 

[Benzine]

None of these (except marked in green) are for SURE, this is just roughly what people are claiming (and surely I've missed some) but there's not been much pushback, and that means a lot at this point. Anyone who's not claimed a role and is a good guy really needs to justify it well!

Doctor - not sure, maybe tubby
Aura Seer - kelly
Violinist - tommy
Flagger -
Bully - FR
Judge - Holly
Conjuror - Benzine
Farmer - Ben

1 kut SS
2 Ants preacher
3 Vash SS
4 Jawneh... whatever Jawneh is saying he is.

There's very little push back on any of the roles really.

Not mentioned, cg. Claimed to be good by Tommy and I trust that I guess

Not mentioned. Raposa, who I have searched and he was found to be blue... so he MUST be included in the above (if you believe I'm the conj), he can't possibly be a wolf. It seems most likely that Raposa is one of the set roles... statistically hehehehehehe.

Not mentioned. Alu.

Not mentioned. Local Hero. Wolfdar going crazy here, just REEKS of it.

Can the flagger please protect me! That would be much appreciated. Good luck with your choices.

FR when you understand who the town are all voting for, I think you should chuck a rock at Local (tbh you should throw it at anyone you think is a wolf, as is your right to choose, but whoever it is you should make sure you say who it is, so I know that a rock has been thrown at that person, in case I need to take your power over when you die and need to make a kill and that's the right person). We don't know that Jawneh is a wolf, no one is claiming that this time... But it seems sensible to vote for him. So chuck it at Local in the event that we have actually sorted it already and I can kill him if they get you tonight.

Or, FR, you might want to think about the instigator team. Is saving rocks better? It's gonna be a little tough to work the instigs out, we'll basically have to hope to get lucky by wolf killing the wrong one... which I'm sure the instig wolf will steer them away... Nah, fuck it, throw the rocks.

I'm gonna vote for Jawneh in case I'm not about tomorrow (I will be, I'm just a responsible citizen), and I'll put that through to Zell now.

Hope you're sleeping super well @VashTheStampede see you soon xoxo

 

[Tubby23]

xoxo

 

[Tubby23]

@Benzine this may be a dumb question but it seems you most suspect LH of being a wolf but are going to vote for Jawneh. Is this just a hedge your bets type move or you're confident we can lynch LH tomorrow?

 

[Benzine]

@Benzine this may be a dumb question but it seems you most suspect LH of being a wolf but are going to vote for Jawneh. Is this just a hedge your bets type move or you're confident we can lynch LH tomorrow?

I have no real reason to go for local over jawneh, jawneh is just in front of us being weird and semi likely. I don’t mind, so long as we are all voting for the same person.

 

[Benzine]

I think the RNG was bad luck for the wolves this game. The 3 random roles are there for them to hide, but by random number they killed the first one and then I confirmed the second by just happening to pick the same random number they did. They would have had to react quickly and make a bold move to claim the non-random roles before the real players with those roles do, but I think it was hard for them to do that with their own shadow wolf power shutting down wolf chat.

Just a reminder you don't have to hide in the random roles. And a wolf HAS to pretend to be a seer or it's really tough to direct the town to vote the wrong way.

 

[Benzine]

I came to say good morning to you, @VashTheStampede, but you're nowhere to be seen! I'm going back to play sea of stars then go to bed.

 

[Tubby23]

I have no real reason to go for local over jawneh, jawneh is just in front of us being weird and semi likely. I don’t mind, so long as we are all voting for the same person.

I'm very much split down the middle on it.

Just a reminder you don't have to hide in the random roles. And a wolf HAS to pretend to be a seer or it's really tough to direct the town to vote the wrong way.

You're thinking this is what has happened? Or game notes for future

 

[Tubby23]

@VashTheStampede if Benzine is in bed, the #teamtubby welcoming committee is here

 

[Benzine]

You're thinking this is what has happened? Or game notes for future

Future.

Im not saying Vash is a wolf, I think killing a team mate first go is a dumb strategy, so that’s on the shelf. It’s not impossible or anything.

 

[Benzine]

Good night