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Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Day 2 + Night 3

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The main thing I was eluding my analysis is that we still need to act today against the wolves in terms of the last two townie power roles and fool. We are at risk of losing both the doctor and gunner at worst since everyone seems to be on the same page that none is lying about their role claims. If FQ is the avenger, one of the three will surely die and the one of the remaining two will be night killed.

The fool is actually the most likely winner currently. Or the wolves if we end up down to the wire with no kill roles other than the wolves with the fool being alive. The 3rd random is the only saving grace if they have a kill ability, but that's also something the wolves can get rid of and then coast through the days killing everyone else in order until the fool is left. Or the town forfeits and lynches the fool to prevent the wolves winning. Kind of a shitty situation.

So the question really is, how confident are about Tommy being the fool? If not him, which of the other ones would be more likely?
 

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Also @Cole I wouldn't say it was hard for me to remember @shortkut could possibly switch to @Holly . I had literally told him he shouldn't announce who he's using because of the wolf shaman after he said he'd use you. I'm on phone right now but you can read back that it was the sequence of events. He said he'd use you every time, I pointed out the wolf shaman's ability and to not announce it would be you, a few people questioned that the ability would work that way, Zell confirmed my suspicion on it, then shortkut said Zells post finished his plans.

Because I was deeply involved in that part of the conversation (more so than you at that point) it would have been harder for me to forget what could have possibly happened.
 

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Actually, nvm some of my thing. I somehow had the idea in my head that the fool could win simply by existing after the wolves are gone. My bad.

The stance about acting against the wolves does still stand to not lose the gunner or doctor or both.
 

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I mean, I'm a scientist, Cole. If presented with logical evidence, I take it into consideration and see if it makes sense or not. What Alu suggested is entirely plausible. Hence why I went with it. It makes sense to me.
 
Votes to lynch (5 required):

Fire Queen - 11 shortkut, VashTheStampede, Kat, Cole, Ryan!, Dean, A Nipple, Holly, Killface!, Tommy Boy

No vote - Fire Queen

Votes to skip (11 required):

10 - VashTheStampede, Cole, Ryan!, Fire Queen, shortkut, A Nipple, Holly, Killface!, Tommy Boy, Dean

No vote - Kat, Jawneh

I don't see Jawneh's name in the list for people who voted for Fire Queen.
 

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The main thing I was eluding my analysis is that we still need to act today against the wolves in terms of the last two townie power roles and fool. We are at risk of losing both the doctor and gunner at worst since everyone seems to be on the same page that none is lying about their role claims. If FQ is the avenger, one of the three will surely die and the one of the remaining two will be night killed.

The fool is actually the most likely winner currently. Or the wolves if we end up down to the wire with no kill roles other than the wolves with the fool being alive. The 3rd random is the only saving grace if they have a kill ability, but that's also something the wolves can get rid of and then coast through the days killing everyone else in order until the fool is left. Or the town forfeits and lynches the fool to prevent the wolves winning. Kind of a shitty situation.

So the question really is, how confident are about Tommy being the fool? If not him, which of the other ones would be more likely?
we can NOT overplan this night phase and I think you know that. the medium is gone, we have no safety net. which means of any of the protector reveal who were protecting, we lose 2. at this juncture we have to hope the protectors spread their protection out. we have to hope for some slight luck.

people that need protection: shortkut his detective role is almost free as long as both holly and I are in the game. (it's about a 50/50 chance assuming the shaman blocks one of us every night now)

Vash; if my theory is right, the aura seer in conjunction with the detective will give everyone all the information they need. even with Holly and I gone, Vash and shortkut could potentially line up for confirmed detections.

holly and myself: we're not as valuable in terms of powers anymore, our potions could be gone at any moment. but we are both extremely valuable as metrics of "good" in this game.

the doctor: obviously unknown, but that's why I posted my analysis in hopes that the protectors all make educated guesses on who is innocent, add those to the 4 above, and we hope whatever arrangement we get is lucky. the chances of all 4 of us protecting one person who is then targeted by the berseker is low. chances are we get AT MINIMUM 2 people protected and hope the berseker guesses wrong.

the fool loses if he's the last player alive. the fool is only a threat if we lynch him, and we have other kill roles available to us. no one can say for sure any of those people are or aren't the wolf, but we can't conjecture on it now. we're not talking about lynching Tommy atm. we're focused on finishing today and into the night. tomorrow whatever info we have we will attempt to know who the fool is before we lynch.
Also @Cole I wouldn't say it was hard for me to remember @shortkut could possibly switch to @Holly . I had literally told him he shouldn't announce who he's using because of the wolf shaman after he said he'd use you. I'm on phone right now but you can read back that it was the sequence of events. He said he'd use you every time, I pointed out the wolf shaman's ability and to not announce it would be you, a few people questioned that the ability would work that way, Zell confirmed my suspicion on it, then shortkut said Zells post finished his plans.

Because I was deeply involved in that part of the conversation (more so than you at that point) it would have been harder for me to forget what could have possibly happened.
I understand. but all I can truly do is compare what WAS done to what *I* would have done. and *I* forgot about Holly, the fact that you didn't made you more suspicious.

you're still 50/50 to me.
 

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I mean, I'm a scientist, Cole. If presented with logical evidence, I take it into consideration and see if it makes sense or not. What Alu suggested is entirely plausible. Hence why I went with it. It makes sense to me.
okay. but wolf games aren't objective science. and latching on to a story too quickly is suspicious.
I'm not in the not voted list either! :nuts
just skip the damn day!

you're not doing yourself any favors because right now it looks like you're buying time for the wolves to coordinate with fq included, or you're trying to somehow convince us not to fire the gun.

we're not making decisions about tomorrow today, and we can't over plan for tonight.

so what's done is done.

let's see how it all turns out.
 
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Votes to lynch (5 required):

Fire Queen - 11 shortkut, VashTheStampede, Kat, Cole, Ryan!, Dean, A Nipple, Holly, Killface!, Tommy Boy, Jawneh

No vote - Fire Queen

Votes to skip (11 required):

10 - VashTheStampede, Cole, Ryan!, Fire Queen, shortkut, A Nipple, Holly, Killface!, Tommy Boy, Dean

No vote - Kat, Jawneh
 

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okay. but wolf games aren't objective science. and latching on to a story too quickly is suspicious.

just skip the damn day!

you're not doing yourself any favors because right now it looks like you're buying time for the wolves to coordinate with fq included, or you're trying to somehow convince us not to fire the gun.

we're not making decisions about tomorrow today, and we can't over plan for tonight.

so what's done is done.

let's see how it all turns out.
Maybe I'm just inexperienced at these kind of games, but we can agree to disagree on that first point.

What I can tell you is I'm being honest, protected you, and the wolves never bothered to attack you. Hopefully I can do something to prove my innocence. Of course whether you believe me or not is entirely up to you.
 

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you're not doing yourself any favors because right now it looks like you're buying time for the wolves to coordinate with fq included, or you're trying to somehow convince us not to fire the gun
I'm was already on board with the lynching. That part was already done and dealt with. I'm merely trying to have my butt survive to the end of the game as there's a good chance the wolves would be targeting one of the three none role claimed that aren't wolves.

But let's see the damage then.

time to skip
 

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final note before zell sneaks in

THE ONE THING I will not be fully disclosing now is who I will protect tonight. because THAT risks someone else's life, not mine.

my protection will be revealed in the morning fail or succeed.
 
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Day 2 is over. No more posts please, I will send out the night PMs and pray everyone skips so I don't have to reopen the day at *checks watch* 6:18 am.

The lynch mob gathers around and strings up Fire Queen.

Fire Queen was the Wolf Avenger. With her last breath, she lashes out and kills Ryan!

Ryan! was the Doctor. Night 3 begins now!
 
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