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[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Surely based on positive actions per post I should win MVP?

Tied with Zell.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Tied with Zell.

So it comes down to which team wins

I'm TeamBen now though

 

[dimmerwit]

Tied with Zell.

No, because I did Shaman your read which counted under Benzine rules.

And since I didn't get to post my ratio is at a literally uncalculable level. The best kind of level.

 

[Ants!]

If Ben is smart, I say he convinces them to lynch Local. The last wolf can't kill a solo killer, so he's safe at night. Gives red potion to Kat and Black potion to one of the others. Last wolf kills either one of the town or Jon the fool, hopefully not someone who got a potion. Day opens with Ben and 1 wolf and two others. Kat and one of the others drop dead, leaving just Ben and a town or the non-violent solo left to vote. No lynch. He kills the last other player with black potion. He wins.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I'm glad that everyone just went all in with the shooting and killing and stuff this game. It was fun and is leading to an interesting conclusion.

If the town lynches Ben, the wolves win.

If the town lynches Kat, Ben can only kill 1 tomorrow and needs to try to figure out if it would be better to target the other townie (through luck that they don't hit the same person), kill the last wolf (probably a bad call since he would then be voted out and it would lead to 1 townie and 1 fool), or to kill the fool and have it be 1-1-1 with the wolf, townie, and Alchemist. That would make the townie pick the winner (no lynch would result in the Alchemist winning).

If the town lynches the other wolf, then it would be possible to both kill a wolf and someone else for tomorrow, with the wolf also killing off a townie. Potential to get it down to just 2 players tomorrow for an alchemist win.

If they lynch the other wolf and then kat decides to not kill anyone tonight that could actually make it 1-1-1 with the town, fool, and alchemist, and it would be down to Jon to pick the winner.


I say the town should rebel and just try to lynch Jon.

 

[shortkut]

It happened. She almost carried us to a win but then there was drama and I hate the concept of Cupid lol

#sorrynotsorry

 

[Ants!]

In case anyone wants to know:

Alchemist: Ben
Non-violent solo: Jon (fool)
Shadow wolf: Kat
Berserker wolf: Local Hero
Townie: canadaguy (bell ringer)
And obviously FR is the other remaining townie.

Also an interesting tidbit: When they lynched Jawneh, it was Kat and Local with the double votes, plus Ben as the fifth vote to make the minimum 5 votes. Funny part is flagger Jawneh had himself protected and redirecting to Local, so fortunately for Local it doesn't work on Lynches because he would have been voting for himself to die.

 

[dimmerwit]

I'm glad that everyone just went all in with the shooting and killing and stuff this game. It was fun and is leading to an interesting conclusion.

"fun"

 

[VashTheStampede]

In case anyone wants to know:

Alchemist: Ben
Non-violent solo: Jon (fool)
Shadow wolf: Kat
Berserker wolf: Local Hero
Townie: canadaguy (bell ringer)
And obviously FR is the other remaining townie.

Also an interesting tidbit: When they lynched Jawneh, it was Kat and Local with the double votes, plus Ben as the fifth vote to make the minimum 5 votes. Funny part is flagger Jawneh had himself protected and redirecting to Local, so fortunately for Local it doesn't work on Lynches because he would have been voting for himself to die.

So Ben just happened to vote the same?

 

[Zell 17]

If you are the fool, you help the solo killer here. Even with your role outed you have an outside shot.

A fool vs solo killer on the last day is always very interesting because there's game theory implications with the vote. Solo killer only survives if the vote is tied (either both vote each other, or neither vote). If the Fool votes out the SK the town wins. If the SK votes out the fool the Fool wins.

So put yourself in the SK position. The Fool votes you, and you vote back....but you know they are going to unvote at the last second right? RIGHT?

 

[Ants!]

So Ben just happened to vote the same?

Yes. It's crazy but that's what happened.

 

[Zell 17]

If you are the fool, you help the solo killer here. Even with your role outed you have an outside shot.

A fool vs solo killer on the last day is always very interesting because there's game theory implications with the vote. Solo killer only survives if the vote is tied (either both vote each other, or neither vote). If the Fool votes out the SK the town wins. If the SK votes out the fool the Fool wins.

So put yourself in the SK position. The Fool votes you, and you vote back....but you know they are going to unvote at the last second right? RIGHT?

Note to @Ants! and @Benzine, if the Fool is still around during the day tomorrow make sure you have a very clearly defined poll closing time for this reason. The Fool may very well be involved in some shenanigans.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

If you are the fool, you help the solo killer here. Even with your role outed you have an outside shot.

A fool vs solo killer on the last day is always very interesting because there's game theory implications with the vote. Solo killer only survives if the vote is tied (either both vote each other, or neither vote). If the Fool votes out the SK the town wins. If the SK votes out the fool the Fool wins.

So put yourself in the SK position. The Fool votes you, and you vote back....but you know they are going to unvote at the last second right? RIGHT?

Hell yeah do it Jon

 

[shortkut]

bunch of liars lying to each other like liars

I didn’t lie this game. I thought a wolf couldn’t see a weapon in jail in an older @zell game

 

[VashTheStampede]

Yes. It's crazy but that's what happened.

We're never beating the cheating allegations lol

 

[Quagmire]

, so fortunately for Local it doesn't work on Lynches because he would have been voting for himself to die

I feel like this should be a loop hole and it does fire

Unless it never fires for lynch

 

[Ants!]

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

@Zell 17 can you clarify on the wolves winning condition? Do they HAVE to kill the solo killer to win, or is that just advice on how to win? Because that seems to conflict with the "half the players regardless of roles remaining" part.

 

[Ants!]

I feel like this should be a loop hole and it does fire

Unless it never fires for lynch

You quoted a spoiler! Though it probably doesn't matter lol

 

[Ants!]

I didn’t lie this game. I thought a wolf couldn’t see a weapon in jail in an older @zell game

We believe you when you say you didn't read something. noob.

 

[Zell 17]

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

@Zell 17 can you clarify on the wolves winning condition? Do they HAVE to kill the solo killer to win, or is that just advice on how to win? Because that seems to conflict with the "half the players regardless of roles remaining" part.

It’s an “AND” condition. The wolves must do both.

 

[shortkut]

Christina skipped for me when I was asleep because she mistook the fake Vash account for me

 

[Ants!]

Interesting. So all Ben has to do is not get lynched and not let them lynch Jon.

 

[Ants!]

It's going to be a wolf win or one of the solos. I just don't see how the two remaining town people (with no powers) pull this off.

 

[Zell 17]

It's going to be a wolf win or one of the solos. I just don't see how the two remaining town people (with no powers) pull this off.

The last time we were in this spot the Alchemist killed off the wolves then got voted out.

 

[shortkut]

So my choices for reads this game were:
Zell (came back red, unfortunately incorrectly fooled by the shaman)
Tommy/Kat
Ben/Jon

Other than that first one I feel pretty good about my selections there. Not that it all would have been useful returns, but I was sus of the right people (when I was picking them by name) it seems.

We did a good job with our picks where we only overlapped by 1 each time

Alu/zell
Jawneh/kat
Christina/ben

 

[Ants!]

The last time we were in this spot the Alchemist killed off the wolves then got voted out.

That would involve a stupid Alchemist. And Ben has been playing a smart game so far.

Interesting idea though.

 

[VashTheStampede]

It's going to be a wolf win or one of the solos. I just don't see how the two remaining town people (with no powers) pull this off.

 

[dimmerwit]

Some of us don't haha

 

[Ants!]

One of my favorite moments:

FR says "Kat is SUPER SUS", then shoots Christina

 

[Ants!]

That would involve a stupid Alchemist. And Ben has been playing a smart game so far.

Interesting idea though.

Just realized I insulted whoever that alchemist was. Sorry o_o

 

[Zell 17]

Just realized I insulted whoever that alchemist was. Sorry o_o

Would you change your mind if you knew it was @Raposuh

 

[shortkut]

#sorrynotsorry

@VashTheStampede @Christina actually am sorry

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

We did a good job with our picks where we only overlapped by 1 each time

Alu/zell
Jawneh/kat
Christina/ben

Man if your second one went through we would have gotten to watch Tommy be killed by the potion and then known kat was red as well. That would have taken care of the shadow vote

 

[VashTheStampede]

That would involve a stupid Alchemist. And Ben has been playing a smart game so far.

Interesting idea though.

I totally would have done that too because I refuse to do math when playing most games

Only Balatro

 

[VashTheStampede]

Man if your second one went through we would have gotten to watch Tommy be killed by the potion and then known kat was red as well. That would have taken care of the shadow vote

I mean it's kind of a tiny bit bullshit that it didn't go through...

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Spirit seers doing our best to make it all work. Good choices to see.

Eric/k teamwork could have done wonders this game. But it didn't. Oh well

 

[VashTheStampede]

canadaguy throwing away the 1% chance

 

[Ants!]

Would you change your mind if you knew it was @Raposuh

Yes.

I mean it's kind of a tiny bit bullshit that it didn't go through...

I get the feeling behind it, and it does seem like a gray area.

 

[shortkut]

I’ll need to catch up on the live thread soon

 

[Tommy Boy]

The hell is going on in the alive thread?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Why did the town vote Ben if they know who the wolves are? I feel like I missed something math shortkut etc related

 

[Tommy Boy]

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Why did the town vote Ben if they know who the wolves are? I feel like I missed something math shortkut etc related

Town can't win unless everyone else basically gives up. They're choosing to give the wolves the win.

 

[dimmerwit]

So I win again?

That's 3 wolf games with 2 wins and a near Headhunter miss.

Bow down before my luck skill!

 

[VashTheStampede]

In retrospect, I probably should have avoided being responsible for 3 other townie deaths

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

In retrospect, I probably should have avoided being responsible for 3 other townie deaths

If you're gonna go down, you may as well take everyone with you.

 

[Tommy Boy]

Hell yeah team I knew we could do it

....right? ...RIGHT?

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Hell yeah team I knew we could do it

....right? ...RIGHT?

I mean you had no way of knowing that there would be two townies that died during the day phase today. Had kut not gotten the black potion and FR shot kat instead then the town probably wins this.

 

[Ants!]

Why did the town vote Ben if they know who the wolves are? I feel like I missed something math shortkut etc related

It basically became a "who would you rather lose to" thing because it was down to 2 townies 2 wolves and 2 solos and everyone's role was out in the open.

 

[Ants!]

If you are the fool, you help the solo killer here. Even with your role outed you have an outside shot.

A fool vs solo killer on the last day is always very interesting because there's game theory implications with the vote. Solo killer only survives if the vote is tied (either both vote each other, or neither vote). If the Fool votes out the SK the town wins. If the SK votes out the fool the Fool wins.

So put yourself in the SK position. The Fool votes you, and you vote back....but you know they are going to unvote at the last second right? RIGHT?

@Jon