Misc. Media Consuming media from people you don’t like

[Andy]

Do you still watch/read/listen to/play things if you have a dislike of one of the main people involved in it?

There are obviously degrees to this. James Corden is annoying but I’ll watch things with him in it whereas I’m not buying Hitler’s art. In general, though, I’m talking about whether JK Rowling’s views on trans people have influenced your perception of Harry Potter, Polanski’s sexual assault stopped you watching the Pianist, etc. or whether you take the art and the artist separately

 

[Tubby23]

JK Rowling is a good example for me where I grew up loving the books and used to do a re-read nearly every year. Now due to her views I no longer re-read them and it's really left a bitter taste in my mouth that one of my favourite series of books is written by such a bigot.

Kanye West and Kevin Spacey are two others who I don't have any time for anymore.

 

[Scott]

lostprophets. Their big songs really slapped, but I'm so conflicted listening to them, knowing their lead singer is a mega nonce. So none of the songs are on my playlist, but every once in a while, I'll queue a song or two.

Harry Potter is similar. I really enjoyed the books growing up, and the movies were okay, but now it's difficult to enjoy either, knowing how much of a prick Rowling is.

 

[Olga]

Chinatown is one of the best films ever made. I think Jordan Peterson is probably correct about quite a lot, and I don't have a problem with rejecting things I disagree with (I don't think there is a single person alive who does complex work and is correct about absolutely everything). One day I'll read some work by Martin Heidegger, who was an actual Nazi.

My personal belief is that the creation of something truly innovative means, by definition, that its creator is someone who goes beyond the rules of consensus. Behaving in such a way comes with all manner of risks both to oneself, and others.

I think knowing the unsavoury things about people is very valuable; to me, this means I am in a position where I can draw better meaning from work because I can see what references are implied. Limiting my informational diet to sources that come only from my bubble seems actively harmful to being able to think; people create intellectual worth, and I am not about to deprive myself of it. The idea of being poorly equipped, intellectually-speaking, when encountering people I disagree with seems extremely unwise. I'm not about to outsource all of my abilities to a small pool of other people. I'll make it a big pool instead.

But it varies. I'm basically disinterested in Picasso, for example, because I hate what I know about him, but it's possible I'll overcome this particular disgust one day.

 

[The Eye in the Sky!]

I can generally enjoy things that have been created by people I disagree with, but if they are like a criminal or someone that is actively hurting someone else then I try to avoid them. Big one is sports, I still enjoy them even though a number of players/owners/coaches are completely terrible people. I'm not fans of those people but I can still enjoy the sport, including those players if they do something amazing on the field. I am also not opposed to kicking them out of the league if it calls for it no matter how talented they are.

I also tend to gravitate towards things after researching them a bit. I rarely dive right into something without knowing who did it. It probably leads to missing out on some really amazing things, but for my own conscious I'm okay with that.

 

[Olga]

I can generally enjoy things that have been created by people I disagree with, but if they are like a criminal or someone that is actively hurting someone else then I try to avoid them. Big one is sports, I still enjoy them even though a number of players/owners/coaches are completely terrible people. I'm not fans of those people but I can still enjoy the sport, including those players if they do something amazing on the field. I am also not opposed to kicking them out of the league if it calls for it no matter how talented they are.

I also tend to gravitate towards things after researching them a bit. I rarely dive right into something without knowing who did it. It probably leads to missing out on some really amazing things, but for my own conscious I'm okay with that.

I think that, like with anything else, it depends: you come across as an extremely stable person (always have), and that stability isn't accidental. By contrast, I think of it as my job to notice horrible things when I come across them - and I'm not a very stable person. Takes all kinds to make the world awesome. Thank goodness some people decide *not* to look into the void.

 

[Mark]

Do you still watch/read/listen to/play things if you have a dislike of one of the main people involved in it?

There are obviously degrees to this. James Corden is annoying but I’ll watch things with him in it whereas I’m not buying Hitler’s art. In general, though, I’m talking about whether JK Rowling’s views on trans people have influenced your perception of Harry Potter, Polanski’s sexual assault stopped you watching the Pianist, etc. or whether you take the art and the artist separately

James Corden’s a tool. Reggie Watts is the ABSOLUTE best part of his old late show.

JK Rowling is a good example for me where I grew up loving the books and used to do a re-read nearly every year. Now due to her views I no longer re-read them and it's really left a bitter taste in my mouth that one of my favourite series of books is written by such a bigot.

Kanye West and Kevin Spacey are two others who I don't have any time for anymore.

Rowling never really bothered me as I was never a fan of the HP books to begin with, but her words about the trans community are disgusting. Anyone that shits on an entire community for no reasons other than their existence is a piece of shit in my book, and I’m proud to see not only the trans community but the overall book/movie community take a stand against her. It’s too common to see big names given a pass for their behavior, so seeing her get shit on for shitting on others is great.

As far as Kanye… I’m not gonna make fun of the mentally ill. Even if the shit he says is blatant antisemitism, he’s one of those cases where he’s too ignorant to know what he’s really saying. I’ve had terrible bosses that were Jewish, but first and foremost… they were terrible bosses. The Jewish thing is incidental.

Kevin Spacey? Always been a fan of his work. Doesn’t bother me that he’s gay, he’s still a hell of an actor. What does bother me is that he used his sexuality as an out for the accusations he faced. Do I take those accusations with a grain of salt? Absolutely, they get thrown around WAY too much, and it’s becoming increasingly common that they’re without merit. I wait for the facts to present themself before making my judgement on sexual misconduct cases.

lostprophets. Their big songs really slapped, but I'm so conflicted listening to them, knowing their lead singer is a mega nonce. So none of the songs are on my playlist, but every once in a while, I'll queue a song or two.

Harry Potter is similar. I really enjoyed the books growing up, and the movies were okay, but now it's difficult to enjoy either, knowing how much of a prick Rowling is.

Dude from lostprophets is gonna get killed. Straight up. The world doesn’t have room for sexual predators, and even if it did… he ain’t welcome.

Chinatown is one of the best films ever made. I think Jordan Peterson is probably correct about quite a lot, and I don't have a problem with rejecting things I disagree with (I don't think there is a single person alive who does complex work and is correct about absolutely everything). One day I'll read some work by Martin Heidegger, who was an actual Nazi.

My personal belief is that the creation of something truly innovative means, by definition, that its creator is someone who goes beyond the rules of consensus. Behaving in such a way comes with all manner of risks both to oneself, and others.

I think knowing the unsavoury things about people is very valuable; to me, this means I am in a position where I can draw better meaning from work because I can see what references are implied. Limiting my informational diet to sources that come only from my bubble seems actively harmful to being able to think; people create intellectual worth, and I am not about to deprive myself of it. The idea of being poorly equipped, intellectually-speaking, when encountering people I disagree with seems extremely unwise. I'm not about to outsource all of my abilities to a small pool of other people. I'll make it a big pool instead.

But it varies. I'm basically disinterested in Picasso, for example, because I hate what I know about him, but it's possible I'll overcome this particular disgust one day.

I can generally enjoy things that have been created by people I disagree with, but if they are like a criminal or someone that is actively hurting someone else then I try to avoid them. Big one is sports, I still enjoy them even though a number of players/owners/coaches are completely terrible people. I'm not fans of those people but I can still enjoy the sport, including those players if they do something amazing on the field. I am also not opposed to kicking them out of the league if it calls for it no matter how talented they are.

I also tend to gravitate towards things after researching them a bit. I rarely dive right into something without knowing who did it. It probably leads to missing out on some really amazing things, but for my own conscious I'm okay with that.

To keep this short, I tend to fall right in the middle of these two points by y’all. I understand and appreciate the importance of people with different views than my own, and I also end up ignorant about certain situations or accusations because I tend to avoid tabloid gossip in favor of doing my own research on people before making a final judgement call.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Kevin Spacey was a tough one for me. Absolutely loved his work and he was one of those actors that was almost like a Seal of Quality on a anything he was in, to me. Now...it does diminish my enjoyment of his past work at bit, but I'll still watch stuff of his. Primarily stuff where he wasn't the absolute lead, though. Hard to watch vehicles where he was the star.

Another toughie for me is Louis C.K., but for him I can't even appreciate his old work anymore. Probably because so much of it was tied up in who he is as a person, whereas Spacey was never being himself.

Polanski...for some reason I don't have any issue watching his stuff and still appreciating it. Probably doesn't help that I watched a documentary about him that really clouded the issue surrounding him as one of my first experiences regarding him.

There's no real rhyme or reason to it. Just a weird internal morality censor I guess.

 

[Boots]

James Corden is annoying

That person is such cancer I loathe his existence. I really cannot stand him.

That said I'll still watch Spacey and Masterson and Harry Potter. I can enjoy art without thinking about the creator. I haven't tried to watch the Cosby show since his scandal though. I have fond memories watching the show and there were so many great characters beside Mr. Huxtable.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I think it's possible to appreciate the art without having to appreciate the artist. Tom Cruise may be Scientologist scum, but one can't deny he helps make some really good movies and has a really good work ethic. Also, unlike maybe an author or a painter where only one person was really involved in the creation, bands, TV shows, and movies involve multiple people that worked to put the products out.

Kevin Spacey was a tough one for me. Absolutely loved his work and he was one of those actors that was almost like a Seal of Quality on a anything he was in, to me. Now...it does diminish my enjoyment of his past work at bit, but I'll still watch stuff of his. Primarily stuff where he wasn't the absolute lead, though. Hard to watch vehicles where he was the star.

Funny thing about Spacey. He played so many slimball characters and now knowing that he's a slimball IRL enhances his performances. Adds a level realness to his performances.

 

[Mark]

I think it's possible to appreciate the art without having to appreciate the artist. Tom Cruise may be Scientologist scum, but one can't deny he helps make some really good movies and has a really good work ethic. Also, unlike maybe an author or a painter where only one person was really involved in the creation, bands, TV shows, and movies involve multiple people that worked to put the products out.

I never liked him as an actor… he was always very “generic leading male actor” to me. Like Top Gun for example… Val Kilmer was far more versatile, but only a supporting actor? Naaah.

Funny thing about Spacey. He played so many slimball characters and now knowing thar he's a slimball IRL enhances his performances. Adds a level realness to his performances.

Sometimes art imitates life too well.

 

[Boots]

I highly recommend y'all watch the documentary Val. It's excellent.

Also, I finally watched top gun a little over a year ago and it was really good! Not a TC fan, but he's in a lot of great movies.

 

[Tubby23]

I will never forgive Cruise for being cast as Jack Reacher, even if it isn't his fault

 

[Benzine]

I don't even consume media from people I do like. Otherwise I won't like them.

 

[finlandguy]

I only really have JK Rowling that pops in my head as someone I'm upset about. I could probably get behind most if not all the people on the list too, but beyond maybe Tom Cruise, I haven't really consumed much stuff from anyone else. Never had much reason to seek them out and now I have more reason not to.

 

[Ryan!]

I disliked Harry Potter far before Rowling came out as a transphobe. I have the same take as that comedian clip on YouTube I'll have to find eventually. Rowling didn't write a masterpiece. She wrote Star Wars with sucky Lightsabers.

I do a lot of speaking with my wallet. If a person or a company does something I am against, I don't spend my money. I can find alternatives.

I do read books written by people, perhaps even vocal people, who have politics I don't agree with. But I don't really think this is the same thing.

 

[Andy]

looks like spacey has been found not guilty. Doesn’t mean much in relation to whether he actually did these things as it was always going to be difficult to prove but wonder what it means for his career

 

[Tubby23]

looks like spacey has been found not guilty. Doesn’t mean much in relation to whether he actually did these things as it was always going to be difficult to prove but wonder what it means for his career

6-12 months of image cleanse and he will be back

 

[shortkut]

6-12 months of image cleanse and he will be back

I hear this. I’m not a fan of Josef Stalin, killed lots of people, but he recently rebranded himself as @Joseph Snapple and I’m excited to see what he does next

 

[Joseph Snapple]

I hear this. I’m not a fan of Josef Stalin, killed lots of people, but he recently rebranded himself as @Joseph Snapple and I’m excited to see what he does next

turning a big dial that says "Soviet Russia" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

 

[Disgustipated]

I never read or watched Harry Potter and Rowling’s bigotry has ensured I never will legally. I will however sail the seven seas with out any remorse whatsoever lol

 

[Boots]

Yeah, I'm not paying for HP stuff but I'll watch it if it's free to stream and I'm in the mood. I still have my original hardcover books so no more money funding her.

 

[Danny]

I grew up on Potter so the books and movies and they will hold a place in my heart. BUT I will always stand with the trans community.

I will say I bought Hogwarts Legacy preowned and did message Crystal for reassurance, but I haven't read or watched Potter media for I want to say over a year, despite me buying the game.

That and I used to be friends with someone who was OBSESSED to the point it was all they talked about and they wouldn't leave me alone and it made me distance myself from the fanbase.

Maybe I am a hypocrite for still buying Hogwarts Legacy, but my money wasn't entering JKR'S bank account.

 

[Crystal]

I grew up on Potter so the books and movies and they will hold a place in my heart. BUT I will always stand with the trans community.

I will say I bought Hogwarts Legacy preowned and did message Crystal for reassurance, but I haven't read or watched Potter media for I want to say over a year, despite me buying the game.

That and I used to be friends with someone who was OBSESSED to the point it was all they talked about and they wouldn't leave me alone and it made me distance myself from the fanbase.

Maybe I am a hypocrite for still buying Hogwarts Legacy, but my money wasn't entering JKR'S bank account.

You're not a hypocrite, the way I view it is that, yeah, she profits, and that sucks, but those devs did an absolutely amazing job making that game and they deserve some love for it. Enjoying their work is just fine.

Its not a game I'll ever play, it's been made abundantly clear the potterverse is not for people like me, but I'll never stop anyone from enjoying it.

 

[Smacktard]

Do you still watch/read/listen to/play things if you have a dislike of one of the main people involved in it?

There are obviously degrees to this. James Corden is annoying but I’ll watch things with him in it whereas I’m not buying Hitler’s art. In general, though, I’m talking about whether JK Rowling’s views on trans people have influenced your perception of Harry Potter, Polanski’s sexual assault stopped you watching the Pianist, etc. or whether you take the art and the artist separately

I feel like I'd be more likely to buy Hitler art than to watch something with James Corden in it. Part of me would like to own his artwork simply for the historical and psychological interest behind it. I read that he had tremendous difficulty painting people, and that he really struggled with proportions. I think it would be interesting to own a piece of art from one of the worst people to have ever existed in the world. It's kind of fascinating that someone who was so enamored with everyday beauty that he studied it and tried to reproduce it could also be so callous and cruel toward the world he revered. My only concern is that people would see it and incorrectly think I'm a neo-Nazi or alt-right or something stupid.

I think you should be able to appreciate art separately from the artist, but then again I find myself judging people who like Chris Brown. I guess there's a difference between idolizing a person and appreciating their artwork, though. I can find myself more forgiving of someone who says "Fuck Chris Brown, but this song is slapper".

In the same vein, I want to play the new Harry Potter game, and I don't think any less of James Joyce's literature just because he wrote some letters about wanting to fuck all the farts out of some gassy lady.