Agency Day 4

[shortkut]

How do you know that?

There should only be two vampires right? Nobody killed last night and I think nobody killed by the vampire the first night. I guess three if you include the person with the vampire role.

Maybe the mob didn't kill because they're afraid of a vampire win?

Are we 100% sure shortkut is what he says and not mob or vampire?

I am double agent so I am in the mob chats. This has been made clear multiple times over the 2 days you missed. Vampire killed night before days 2 and 3, not night 0 or last night

 

[shortkut]

How do you know that?

There should only be two vampires right? Nobody killed last night and I think nobody killed by the vampire the first night. I guess three if you include the person with the vampire role.

Maybe the mob didn't kill because they're afraid of a vampire win?

Are we 100% sure shortkut is what he says and not mob or vampire?

Mob kill was on Vash and blocked, claimed unprompted by fools

 

[TD]

Are we 100% sure shortkut is what he says and not mob or vampire?

He technically is mob, to be fair.

 

[shortkut]

He technically is mob, to be fair.

I’m not denying it

 

[A PineSol Scent]

And I say again, if the mob doesn't want the vampire to win quickly they could always not kill. Right now your aim seems to be let the mob get closer to winning while having the town do the dirty work of killing the vampire.

 

[shortkut]

12 alive now (3 vampires - Christina cg Jon)
Execution today: 11 alive

Mob kill + vampire kill overnight
10 alive tomorrow (4 vampires)
execution: 9 alive

Overnight - one of either mob or vampire kills
Next day: 8 alive (4-5 vampires)
Vampire wins

Someone check my math

Quoting to bring this to the next page

 

[TD]

And I say again, if the mob doesn't want the vampire to win quickly they could always not kill. Right now your aim seems to be let the mob get closer to winning while having the town do the dirty work of killing the vampire.

It's exactly this.

We kill Ben the mobster today and we have tools to confirm the vampire tomorrow, who we execute tomorrow.

 

[shortkut]

And I say again, if the mob doesn't want the vampire to win quickly they could always not kill. Right now your aim seems to be let the mob get closer to winning while having the town do the dirty work of killing the vampire.

Mob doesn’t even have to kill overnight each night for the vampire to win. See above. Why doesn’t the agency just not lynch to delay when the vampire wins?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Ok, I've been thinking.

I think our mob is Tommy and/or Shortkut (not including Ben). There is an off chance that Kelly is, but I have my doubts.

dimmerwit is definitely not mob. If he was, he wouldn't be blowing the cover of one when down to two.

Vash is NOT vampire. I cannot see the Vampire chosing to not kill anyone, so I assume they attacked Vash. I think it's also unlikely that he is mob because I do not think the mob can afford to not kill people regardless of what shortkut wants us to think. I think they think they can still convince the Agency to vote out the Vampire.

At this point, I can't see Alu being bad. I know Kat and Jawneh are good.

Our remaining bads are Christina, shortkut, Ben, and Tommy. Remember this when I get killed tonight.

 

[shortkut]

It's exactly this.

We kill Ben the mobster today and we have tools to confirm the vampire tomorrow, who we execute tomorrow.

Or kill the vampire then kill the mobsters. You already think you know who the mobsters are, so by killing the vampire, you ensure the game doesn’t end prematurely

 

[Christina]

She’s not mob

@Local Hero count update on vampires in dead thread + vampire in this thread please

Kut knows whether or not I'm mob, because he knows all the mob people personally as he votes to kill Agency people at night with them.

 

[A PineSol Scent]

Mob doesn’t even have to kill overnight each night for the vampire to win. See above. Why doesn’t the agency just not lynch to delay when the vampire wins?

We don't have the vampire nailed down to a single person, and therefore we could likely end up lynching an agency member and get the money closer to winning while leaving us in the same mess tomorrow. Or we could get rid of a mob member and get it narrowed down further tomorrow anyway.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The fact that shortkut has been so hellbent on killing either me or Christina does lead me to believe that Christina is the bloodsucker

 

[Fool's Requiem]

The fact that shortkut has been so hellbent on killing either me or Christina does lead me to believe that Christina is the bloodsucker

he's also been hellbent on not lynching Ben and Tommy.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

One more dead mob member and it's pretty much over for them, regardless of what happens with the Vampire.

 

[shortkut]

We don't have the vampire nailed down to a single person, and therefore we could likely end up lynching an agency member and get the money closer to winning while leaving us in the same mess tomorrow. Or we could get rid of a mob member and get it narrowed down further tomorrow anyway.

We essentially do. Someone else has already figured everything out

 

[shortkut]

One more dead mob member and it's pretty much over for them, regardless of what happens with the Vampire.

It isn’t over for me, if I choose to win as agency, so it makes sense that I would hitch my wagon to the agency now

 

[TD]

Also.

Shoutout to our protectors. The mob has failed their night kill twice and the vampire has failed their night kill twice.

Sounds like we still got two doctors out there and a house rigged with explosives.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

It isn’t over for me, if I choose to win as agency, so it makes sense that I would hitch my wagon to the agency now

no, but it would be over for the Mob. And once you defect, the mob had no reason to hold onto you with the information you have on them.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

also, it is SUUUUUPER hard to not accidentally say "wolves".

 

[A PineSol Scent]

It isn’t over for me, if I choose to win as agency, so it makes sense that I would hitch my wagon to the agency now

So if we have until tomorrow, lynch a mobster today and then the vampire, you'll decide to win with the town huh? The mob can't kill you, but the vampire can. So you want the vampire out so you can properly defect and win.

 

[VashTheStampede]

also, it is SUUUUUPER hard to not accidentally say "wolves".

Damnit you edited before I could riff on the typo

 

[Kat]

I think I'm okay voting Ben today. You can try to talk the mob into not killing tonight to prevent the vampire from winning.

no, but it would be over for the Mob. And once you defect, the mob had no reason to hold onto you with the information you have on them.

Eh, he doesn't count against them for numbers (if I'm reading the role correctly) so I think he's actually pretty safe.

 

[TD]

he's also been hellbent on not lynching Ben and Tommy.

Grain of salt and all that - he also said don't shoot Alu.

Tommy was likely their Fixer target.

 

[shortkut]

no, but it would be over for the Mob. And once you defect, the mob had no reason to hold onto you with the information you have on them.

There is no mechanism in place for the mob to off me. In a future game, @Local Hero can add it in, but right now, there is no way I’m being killed by them

 

[Kat]

There is no mechanism in place for the mob to off me. In a future game, @Local Hero can add it in, but right now, there is no way I’m being killed by them

Have you said what your agency and mob roles are? Did you really have a gun to give out?

 

[shortkut]

. So you want the vampire out so you can properly defect and win.

yes

think I'm okay voting Ben today. You can try to talk the mob into not killing tonight to prevent the vampire from winning

I’m not talking the mob into not killing if the agency is too stubborn to try to win.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I would like to point out that none of my previous Doctor protection attempts were successful.

1. #16 (Quagmire)
2. Ben
3. Shortkut
4. Vash

There is no mechanism in place for the mob to off me. In a future game, @Local Hero can add it in, but right now, there is no way I’m being killed by them

then there's nothing stopping you from telling us who the Mobsters are...

 

[shortkut]

Have you said what your agency and mob roles are? Did you really have a gun to give out?

I gave a gun to Jon the night he was killed by the vampire and it was lost

I am Hitman for the mob and we used it on benzine

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Have you said what your agency and mob roles are? Did you really have a gun to give out?

he said he had hitman, but I don't think he revealed his Agency role.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I gave a gun to Jon the night he was killed by the vampire and it was lost

I am Hitman for the mob and we used it on benzine

@Benzine deserved better

 

[shortkut]

then there's nothing stopping you from telling us who the Mobsters are...

It’s my leverage to try to get the town to kill a vampire

 

[A PineSol Scent]

yes

I’m not talking the mob into not killing if the agency is too stubborn to try to win.

I mean. I still haven't cast my vote yet to begin with. If you had a gun to use, who would be your one shot right now?

 

[Kat]

My objection to voting Christina is having protectors do their thing has been really helpful so far. If she's really a doctor and somebody else is the vampire, then that puts us in a bad position if we lynch her. We have a whole bunch of people claiming seer roles, can't one of them check her tonight so we can do the sure thing tomorrow?

 

[shortkut]

I mean. I still haven't cast my vote yet to begin with. If you had a gun to use, who would be your one shot right now?

Christina

 

[Kat]

Christina

Too bad you didn't give your gun to a person who is still alive.

 

[shortkut]

Too bad you didn't give your gun to a person who is still alive.

I blame TD. Read previous days to know why

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I, too, blame everyone else for my mistakes.

 

[Kat]

My objection to voting Christina is having protectors do their thing has been really helpful so far. If she's really a doctor and somebody else is the vampire, then that puts us in a bad position if we lynch her. We have a whole bunch of people claiming seer roles, can't one of them check her tonight so we can do the sure thing tomorrow?

@shortkut why don't you like this plan?

 

[shortkut]

@shortkut why don't you like this plan?

I don’t think she’s a protector. That means we have one protector left to try to stop a mob and vampire hit

 

[shortkut]

 

[Kat]

I don’t think she’s a protector. That means we have one protector left to try to stop a mob and vampire hit

Okay. But even if she is the vampire, the plan still works, because we'll lynch her tomorrow.

 

[shortkut]

Okay. But even if she is the vampire, the plan still works, because we'll lynch her tomorrow.

Why take that chance?

@Fool's Requiem protect me from Christina if we don’t execute her today

 

[Kat]

Why take that chance?

@Fool's Requiem protect me from Christina if we don’t execute her today

What chance? We have 12 people now, even if we lose two tonight and lynch today and tomorrow, that's still one mob vs 7 agency.

What are you actually worried about?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Why take that chance?

@Fool's Requiem protect me from Christina if we don’t execute her today

 

[TD]

I for one, would find it poetically amusing if after a whole game of hunting the vampire, shortkut was killed by the vampire tonight.

 

[A PineSol Scent]

What chance? We have 12 people now, even if we lose two tonight and lynch today and tomorrow, that's still one mob vs 7 agency.

What are you actually worried about?

His only chance at winning the game is by living since he's not actually on a team. And he believes the vampire will kill him tonight and he'll lose, so therefore waiting until tomorrow is too late.

 

[shortkut]

What chance? We have 12 people now, even if we lose two tonight and lynch today and tomorrow, that's still one mob vs 7 agency.

What are you actually worried about?

I’m worried the town doesn’t know who the mob is and how many kills it will actually take to wipe them out and are focusing on the wrong thing. Also, each night the vampire lives, that is TWO agents overnight that could die, as opposed to ONE with the mob.

The basic arithmetic says kill the vampire at this stage to increase the odds of an agency victory but people don’t fully understand how the vampire works and are overlooking it

 

[shortkut]

I for one, would find it poetically amusing if after a whole game of hunting the vampire, shortkut was killed by the vampire tonight.

I probably will be and I will tell you, most every post guessing the remaining mobsters is wrong

 

[Kat]

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