Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version XI Day 3

[Tommy Boy]

so whats this about

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I would like to point out that Jawneh did try to get him lynched on day one. Are we all just assuming that was a diversion to get one or the other cleared?

 

[VashTheStampede]

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so whats this about

Hmmmmmmmm

 

[Benzine]

Hah, well played

Are you really playing if you're not writing invisible messages?

Is there a night mode?

 

[VashTheStampede]

I would like to point out that Jawneh did try to get him lynched on day one. Are we all just assuming that was a diversion to get one or the other cleared?

It would be very sus if Jawneh DIDNT do that

 

[VashTheStampede]

Are you really playing if you're not writing invisible messages?

Is there a night mode?

Does it work on Dark Mode?

 

[Tubby23]

Hah, well played

Explain for the lazy

 

[VashTheStampede]

Explain for the lazy

The full message said "I'm the Seer's Apprentice" with the last bit invisible to the naked eye

 

[Benzine]

I'm the seer's apprentice

 

[Kat]

We don't have those here

Here's my snickerdoodle recipe, which I've made many times and people go bananas over. It's a bit different from a traditional recipe.

Spoiler: long recipe

Ingredients:
1 cup butter, room temperature
3/4 cup granulated sugar
1/2 cup light brown sugar
1 egg, plus 1 yolk
1 tablespoon vanilla
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon cream of tartar
1/2 teaspoon kosher salt
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
2 3/4 cup flour (360g)

Cinnamon Sugar Mixture
1/4 cup granulated sugar
1 tablespoon ground cinnamon

Instructions
Preheat oven to 325°F. Line a baking sheet with a parchment paper and set aside.

In the bowl of your stand mixer fitted with the paddle attachment mix the butter, granulated sugar, and light brown sugar together on medium speed until light and fluffy, 2-3 minutes. Add in the egg, the yolk, and vanilla, and mix for 1 minute, scraping the sides of the bowl as necessary.

In a separate bowl, combine baking soda, cream of tartar, salt, cinnamon and flour. Mix thoroughly. Turn mixer to low and add in flour mixture, mixing until just combined.

In a separate small bowl make your Cinnamon Sugar by mixing together cinnamon and sugar, stirring until evenly combined.

Using a medium (2- tablespoon) cookie scoop portion out the dough and roll into a ball. Then roll each cookie dough ball into the cinnamon sugar mixture until coated.

Place on prepared baking sheet about 2- inches apart. Bake for 10-12 minutes turning cookie sheet halfway through baking

Allow the cookies to cool on the baking sheet for 3-4 minutes before transferring to a wire rack to cool completely.

Fresh, flavorful cinnamon makes a big difference! If your cinnamon is from the grocery store and years old, it won't be as tasty (but they're still really good, hard to go wrong with snickerdoodles). I make mine with Vietnamese cinnamon.

 

[Tubby23]

I would like to point out that Jawneh did try to get him lynched on day one. Are we all just assuming that was a diversion to get one or the other cleared?

That and completely normal Jawneh play are possible

 

[Dean]

I saw the original message in its entirety because I use GreyWinners or whatever it's called

 

[VashTheStampede]

That makes things a LOT more interesting to me.

If only I were able to fully trust Benzine, we might be able to reach a swift resolution to this game.

 

[Tubby23]

I maintain he is a masternind

 

[Benzine]

That makes things a LOT more interesting to me.

If only I were able to fully trust Benzine, we might be able to reach a swift resolution to this game.

compare how i played the spreadsheet joke game and how i'm doing here. only voting for jawneh (first too!), and i normally never acknowledge it, but said that jawneh was suspect.

jumped onto gwj no probs, not that that necessarily means anything... but the wolves would want them alive.

put my things forward very early and not doing anything strange. i'm a goodie, bank on it.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I saw the original message in its entirety because I use GreyWinners or whatever it's called

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lmao I liked the comment and didn't see the hidden message

 

[Benzine]

i only just got my powers btw, i don't know that jon is a bad guy.

i just know.

 

[Dean]

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so whats this about

Are you asking in reference to her saying she's the Loudmouth? Is Loudmouth considered a seer? Lol

 

[Kat]

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so whats this about

What about it?

 

[Tubby23]

lmao I liked the comment and didn't see the hidden message

Same

 

[Tubby23]

Are you asking in reference to her saying she's the Loudmouth? Is Loudmouth considered a seer? Lol

At a stretch

 

[Tommy Boy]

What about it?

What about being a loud mouth is a seer or protector? In the dictionary, a good seer type role only consists of Aura/Spirit Seer, Detective, Sheriff, or Violinist. Just trying to get clarity.

 

[Dean]

What about it?

You said you're either a Seer or a Protector, then said you're a Loudmouth? Or did I misread?

 

[Kat]

What about being a loud mouth is a seer or protector? In the dictionary, a good seer type role only consists of Aura/Spirit Seer, Detective, Sheriff, or Violinist. Just trying to get clarity.

I guess I was lying. Maybe you better lynch me to be sure I'm not evil.

 

[VashTheStampede]

jumped onto gwj no probs, not that that necessarily means anything... but the wolves would want them alive.

Wolves would need him to be lynched

 

[Dean]

So, Kat is acting like she wants to be lynched, which could be an Avenger play, a Wolf Avenger play, a Loudmouth play, a reverse psychology play.... Or several other options

 

[VashTheStampede]

So, Kat is acting like she wants to be lynched, which could be an Avenger play, a Wolf Avenger play, a Loudmouth play, a reverse psychology play.... Or several other options

Wolf Avenger play to drop to 2 wolves is some gutsy shit

 

[Kat]

So, Kat is acting like she wants to be lynched, which could be an Avenger play, a Wolf Avenger play, a Loudmouth play, a reverse psychology play.... Or several other options

One way to find out!

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Dean]

Wolf Avenger play to drop to 2 wolves is some gutsy shit

We definitely don't have a Fool, right?

Edit: other than the one who posted right before this

 

[VashTheStampede]

We definitely don't have a Fool, right?

Unless Tommy Bin Lyin

 

[Tubby23]

So, Kat is acting like she wants to be lynched, which could be an Avenger play, a Wolf Avenger play, a Loudmouth play, a reverse psychology play.... Or several other options

Maybe she's sick of our shit

 

[Tommy Boy]

We definitely don't have a Fool, right?

Edit: other than the one who posted right before this

100% we do not have a fool. I wouldn't say this and bluff as I would not want to end the game that way ever again.

 

[Dean]

Unless Tommy Bin Lyin

Now I want Tommy to make a comic of himself but with a Bin Laden beard...

 

[Dean]

100% we do not have a fool. I wouldn't say this and bluff as I would not want to end the game that way ever again.

So, like... Do we just lynch Kat? She's asking for it.

 

[VashTheStampede]

So, like... Do we just lynch Kat? She's asking for it.

 

[Dean]

So long as Ben is the Judge and has somebody selected, there will be a lynch or death or whatever today, right?

 

[Tubby23]

So long as Ben is the Judge and has somebody selected, there will be a lynch or death or whatever today, right?

That's the way it reads yes, only if we are unsuccessful ourselves

 

[Raine]

Voting Kat.

The Warden was murdered after imprisoning a wolf with the Sheriff, and giving the weapon to said wolf. You and Vash, ostensibly, are the only people outside of proper Seer roles that could have any inkling to the identity of the Warden - two other people have/had very notable and obvious Protector claims, Kelly hadn't even hinted at his role - and... amongst your first ideas is to vote for someone somebody else has worked to clear. With an asterisk pending my own innocence, yadda yadda, you get the idea.

That's why I'm voting for you. If you're a wolf, Dean is a wolf. Or a member of the Cupid pair, or what-the-fuck ever. I don't have any particular reason to suspect Dean yet, and Vash has been... shifty, with his (lack of) role hints/claims. But this is aggression and I'm territorial, I don't know what to tell ya.

Folks, I think we need to take shortkut's role into consideration. He was the sheriff. His role states that he can monitor someone and if they die, he is given the name of the lowest ranked wolf.

He had a vote on Kat for almost all of day one and a good chunk of day 2.

I think it's possible he saw some shit.

I want to backhand you repeatedly for this entire post.

Damn TD he's coming for you

If Fool's and I are wolves, Smacktard doesn't live to see yesterday

Plausible deniability is a motherfucker, though. In either scenario the wolves get +1 kill for the night - the change to the Warden was quite significant, in hindsight, which isn't necessarily a bad thing - but in this scenario we get "impossible" scenarios and doubt added to the mix.

Like... I know you and FR both like to play up the class clown thing, but I genuinely wouldn't put this idea past you. Neither of you are dumb. Which makes this hard. ...And confusing, of course.

Me, trust, and Raine aren't words that get along.

Wanting to believe? Absolutely.

The way other people view our interactions and the way we view them will never not amuse me.

I definitely felt deciding to potentially let me die was a red flag, but it was happening to me so I think that's to expected.

I'm not asking you guys because it was me, I'd be asking the question either way because they were different votes from the major voting group. It could of course be completely coincidental and perhaps the three remaining wolves are part of Tubby's Eight

There are arguments for and against the idea, and I'm nothing if not consistent. Regardless of how potentially dumb the scenario is.

I... kind of failed to take into consideration the masking element of the Corruptor, honestly. And didn't particularly care who the target was. My priority, at all times, is to stops the wolves from winning. Outside of the Fool or niche case Headhunter, no other win condition is remotely feasible - so until such time as I myself am a wolf, the wolves aren't allowed to win.

Easy peasy. No hard feelings.

Kat didn't die last night

That gives three options.

1. She's not evil

2. Raine's Evil.

3. They're both evil

It's not a lot but it's something to keep an eye on

There's a distinct lack of "Raine's not evil" in these options and I'm beginning to feel some sort of way about that, buster.

I don't want to be seer again after this. Honestly this game has been way too stressful.

I sympathize, truly.

But also.

So last night was interesting. Obviously the wolves knew who the warden was, or the wolf jailed with kut wouldn't have killed him. And that wolf knew that they knew and could take him out that same night, so either two wolves are coupled (assuming this would let them still talk in jail, @Zell 17 please confirm) or they found it out the previous night. But if they knew that the previous night, why didn't they kill Kelly then? Did Kelly hint at his role and they figured it out during the day? IDK the timeline of this is weird.

Kelly was one of my top suspects for wolf/SK, which was the specific impetus for my cold feet following through on my vote-hint, specifically because he didn't outwardly or obviously hint.

Jawneh's Blind Wolf is a possible answer, insofar that he would have received info on 2 random townies the single night he was alive. That would be potentially risky, but, less so than otherwise.

Obviously another answer is the aforementioned FR and/or Vash being a wolf, and having enough information to narrow the list - with or without Blind Wolf - and justify following through on the attempt.

The odds of both FR and Vash being wolves is small, I would think. I'm not entirely clear on Kelly's thought process capturing those two at all if I'm to be completely honest.

So they just got lucky

No, that's too much risk. The wolves have to have some sort of information we don't.

You pushing the luck angle is Sus'ing me out.

Wolf Seer would be just as capable of checking someone's role directly, then only providing their alignment out of the dictionary. Just because he stated people are "unknown" or "good", doesn't necessarily prove it.

I do get the maybe just getting tired of stating it fully every time, but I still feel suspicious.

Ben? Ben. You're one of the only people here I'm absolutely certain has seen the thing that I've seen that renders this entire statement null and void, because you're another analyst-type personality.

I was already wary of you because of your insistence on not claiming - and then coming down from that, and now abandoning it entirely with a role that is, um... let's just say there are better ones - but this? No my friend, this is a step too far. I don't believe I will partake of that delicious fudge this time. ...Probably won't do that.

Nor your generous offer to act on my behalf. Definitely won't be having any of that.

We also have Raine who can check if someone is evil without killing them. Although we should be careful with that because the wolves can go for the two for one.

But the part where I die if I choose incorrectly...? More "verify" than "seer check" really. Getting away with telegraphing probably only worked because they had larger fish to fry, else my default expectation (man you guys really need to get better at reading me, I wasn't even being obtuse! ) surely would've come to pass.



...I cut a lot of shit out because it's been so long I forgot what the point was. And I'm tired. If it offers help or insight, woo. Otherwise, IDK my BFF Jill.

I'm torn between like four people right now, but I'm sticking with FR. It just doesn't sit right. I think the poll closes before I head out tomorrow morning though, so maybe some more information will arise or I'll have an epiphany/large dose of overthinking.

 

[Tubby23]

I'm grouping with Team Torrential Downpour to vote FR

 

[Dean]

The Warden was murdered after imprisoning a wolf with the Sheriff, and giving the weapon to said wolf. You and Vash, ostensibly, are the only people outside of proper Seer roles that could have any inkling to the identity of the Warden - two other people have/had very notable and obvious Protector claims, Kelly hadn't even hinted at his role - and... amongst your first ideas is to vote for someone somebody else has worked to clear. With an asterisk pending my own innocence, yadda yadda, you get the idea.

That's why I'm voting for you. If you're a wolf, Dean is a wolf. Or a member of the Cupid pair, or what-the-fuck ever. I don't have any particular reason to suspect Dean yet, and Vash has been... shifty, with his (lack of) role hints/claims. But this is aggression and I'm territorial, I don't know what to tell ya.


I want to backhand you repeatedly for this entire post.


Plausible deniability is a motherfucker, though. In either scenario the wolves get +1 kill for the night - the change to the Warden was quite significant, in hindsight, which isn't necessarily a bad thing - but in this scenario we get "impossible" scenarios and doubt added to the mix.

Like... I know you and FR both like to play up the class clown thing, but I genuinely wouldn't put this idea past you. Neither of you are dumb. Which makes this hard. ...And confusing, of course.


The way other people view our interactions and the way we view them will never not amuse me.


There are arguments for and against the idea, and I'm nothing if not consistent. Regardless of how potentially dumb the scenario is.

I... kind of failed to take into consideration the masking element of the Corruptor, honestly. And didn't particularly care who the target was. My priority, at all times, is to stops the wolves from winning. Outside of the Fool or niche case Headhunter, no other win condition is remotely feasible - so until such time as I myself am a wolf, the wolves aren't allowed to win.

Easy peasy. No hard feelings.


There's a distinct lack of "Raine's not evil" in these options and I'm beginning to feel some sort of way about that, buster.


I sympathize, truly.

But also.

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Kelly was one of my top suspects for wolf/SK, which was the specific impetus for my cold feet following through on my vote-hint, specifically because he didn't outwardly or obviously hint.

Jawneh's Blind Wolf is a possible answer, insofar that he would have received info on 2 random townies the single night he was alive. That would be potentially risky, but, less so than otherwise.

Obviously another answer is the aforementioned FR and/or Vash being a wolf, and having enough information to narrow the list - with or without Blind Wolf - and justify following through on the attempt.

The odds of both FR and Vash being wolves is small, I would think. I'm not entirely clear on Kelly's thought process capturing those two at all if I'm to be completely honest.


No, that's too much risk. The wolves have to have some sort of information we don't.

You pushing the luck angle is Sus'ing me out.


Ben? Ben. You're one of the only people here I'm absolutely certain has seen the thing that I've seen that renders this entire statement null and void, because you're another analyst-type personality.

I was already wary of you because of your insistence on not claiming - and then coming down from that, and now abandoning it entirely with a role that is, um... let's just say there are better ones - but this? No my friend, this is a step too far. I don't believe I will partake of that delicious fudge this time. ...Probably won't do that.

Nor your generous offer to act on my behalf. Definitely won't be having any of that.


But the part where I die if I choose incorrectly...? More "verify" than "seer check" really. Getting away with telegraphing probably only worked because they had larger fish to fry, else my default expectation (man you guys really need to get better at reading me, I wasn't even being obtuse! ) surely would've come to pass.



...I cut a lot of shit out because it's been so long I forgot what the point was. And I'm tired. If it offers help or insight, woo. Otherwise, IDK my BFF Jill.

I'm torn between like four people right now, but I'm sticking with FR. It just doesn't sit right. I think the poll closes before I head out tomorrow morning though, so maybe some more information will arise or I'll have an epiphany/large dose of overthinking.

I don't agree with the conclusion you arrived to, but I do agree with a lot of the points along the way, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

 

[Dean]

I'm grouping with Team Torrential Downpour to vote FR

 

[Tubby23]

I think our net loss by killing FR and being wrong is the least.

 

[Kat]

But the part where I die if I choose incorrectly...? More "verify" than "seer check" really.

I should've put "can check them without killing them if they're good."

Getting away with telegraphing probably only worked because they had larger fish to fry, else my default expectation

I was worried about this too, but figured asking for protection for your sake would have the opposite effect.

You and Vash, ostensibly, are the only people outside of proper Seer roles that could have any inkling to the identity of the Warden

Do we have any reason to suspect this? I don't think the warden sends messages to the jailed people, do they? You know the role better than me, what am I missing?

 

[TD]

 

[VashTheStampede]

I think our net loss by killing FR and being wrong is the least.

However killing Kat guarantees a wolf.

Risk vs reward

 

[Dean]

I think our net loss by killing FR and being wrong is the least.

IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU FEEL. I'M NOT MAD OR ANYTHING.

 

[Kat]

I think our net loss by killing FR and being wrong is the least.

Are we going to trust Dean if FR is good?

 

[Benzine]

A fool probably doesn't exist, the wolves would surely stop us from doing this if they did know... They couldn't make the cupid play if they didn't know.

Just kill Kat?

 

[Dean]

Are we going to trust Dean if FR is good?

I wouldn't