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Zell Wolf GWF Zell Version XI Wolf Day 2

Who should the villagers lynch? (7 votes required)

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  • Dean

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  • Fool's Requiem

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  • Jon

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  • shortkut

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  • Smacktard

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  • TD

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  • Tommy Boy

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...has he reacted to anything?

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I am NOT muted. I'm swamped at work. Fucking backlog is nuts with Christmas around the corner. I have not caught up with everything as yet, so I am not going to vote till later once I've caught up. I hinted at my role quite a bit yesterday and I'd rather not draw more attention to it as I am a regular villager with some use. Do with this what you will, but if you want more info on my role, look back to yesterday.
 
I am NOT muted. I'm swamped at work. Fucking backlog is nuts with Christmas around the corner. I have not caught up with everything as yet, so I am not going to vote till later once I've caught up. I hinted at my role quite a bit yesterday and I'd rather not draw more attention to it as I am a regular villager with some use. Do with this what you will, but if you want more info on my role, look back to yesterday.
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it's funny how xmas impacts people differently. down these ways, it's also basically summer holidays. so a looooot of work places have already stopped or are pretending to work.

but i work for an american company so it's not that nice for me either, haha.

And then you got me, who is finally high enough up the food chain to take the entire week leading to Christmas off so I don't have to be around the craziness and can play this game of wolf in peace
 

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And then you got me, who is finally high enough up the food chain to take the entire week leading to Christmas off so I don't have to be around the craziness and can play this game of wolf in peace
Yeah... my higher ups are off all week too...

Why do you think I have more work?
 
Yeah... my higher ups are off all week too...

Why do you think I have more work?

I started at the bank 14 years ago when I was 22, and almost everybody else was like 5-10 years away from retirement.

Now I'm 36 and third in seniority haha. It paid off in a lot of ways, but I've also had to learn a ton and had people with one foot out the door rush training/teaching, or not motivated to learn anything or change or innovate.

I don't envy you. I remember working as a teller and an analyst during thr holiday season. I'm still swamped at the end of the year and first few weeks of the new year with time sensitive reports, but other areas have gotten much better.
 
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It's snowing here by the way. Supposed to snow till 8. Freaking cold and rainy earlier. I don't mind looking at the snow, but yuck.
Where do you live? It was raining all day yesterday and last night, but now it's clear skies in NYC. Are you in range of that bomb cyclone heading up northeast?
 

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If Vash was a wolf and given a knife and was paired with a non-wolf, he would have killed FR. So for Vash to have not killed FR, it means either Vash is a non-wolf (consistent with Dean's seer call) or Vash, FR, and Dean are all in on it and are all wolves.

Am I making an error in this reasoning? This is how it seems to me at least when you combine both Dean's seer stuff and the Warden activities. It implicates a lot of people if this is a lie
You are: if Vash were a wolf and killed FR, FR would be revealed as a townie, which would reveal Vash as evil, because the warden would know Vash did the killing.

Yeah... my higher ups are off all week too...

Why do you think I have more work?
Same!! "No deployments for the last two weeks of the year" (of course not announced much in advance), so all my end of the year deadlines became basically today, and it's only that far out because I got the customer to complain enough that they agreed to do one final deployment early this week.

Anyway I'll vote Jump. No powers, no vote for Jawneh, and no new insights on other possible wolves mean if he is a townie, at least losing him won't be a huge blow.
 
You are: if Vash were a wolf and killed FR, FR would be revealed as a townie, which would reveal Vash as evil, because the warden would know Vash did the killing.
You know I kind of just assumed the announcement would be that someone died while jailed by the Warden but it wouldn't say who jailed them or who they were jailed with. Just like a "X was found dead in the jail cell this morning" kind of thing
 

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You are: if Vash were a wolf and killed FR, FR would be revealed as a townie, which would reveal Vash as evil, because the warden would know Vash did the killing.
haha, oh fuck, I told Vash that if he was wolf he should kill me. It didn't occur to me that it would totally out him.
 

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Y'all are getting real confused about the Warden situation so I'll reiterate what I said earlier:

If both Vash and FR are wolves it would make no sense to not break out and kill the Warden.

We don't know who the Warden is, there was no telegraph of who would be in there, and the Ritualist is dead.

Near zero chance they are both wolves.

However, they could absolutely be on different teams.

Let's say one or both of them were dropped a weapon and they used it.

- If they were both townies, the weapon user would die
- If they were on opposite teams, the weapon user would kill the person
- If we wake up to a townie murdered in jail, the Warden caught a bad guy

This is why I want to know what changed for Vash to not suspect FR anymore - in my book, neither of them are cleared.
 
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You know I kind of just assumed the announcement would be that someone died while jailed by the Warden but it wouldn't say who jailed them or who they were jailed with. Just like a "X was found dead in the jail cell this morning" kind of thing
Basically, yes
 

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haha, oh fuck, I told Vash that if he was wolf he should kill me. It didn't occur to me that it would totally out him.
This has some potential of being true. I did somewhat suspect you were role claiming loudmouth and trying to get yourself whacked to out someone else. If a clever wolf also drew the same conclusion, they certainly wouldn't want to off you while being pegged as the other person in jail.
 

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So it sounds like we need the Warden to confirm, but I imagine in that situation they WOULD. So I understand the logic now I think.
Yes, that's what I meant: the warden would know what happened, and being aligned with the town, they would out the wolf/SK. Technically there are some ways around it (like confusion), but it'd be difficult to coordinate since the jailed wolf can't communicate with their team.

The problem is if the warden reveals, they are almost certainly getting killed by the wolves next.
Sure, but it's worth it if they can out a wolf.
 

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This has some potential of being true. I did somewhat suspect you were role claiming loudmouth and trying to get yourself whacked to out someone else. If a clever wolf also drew the same conclusion, they certainly wouldn't want to off you while being pegged as the other person in jail.
I would like to point out, as this is the second time someone has suggested it, I have not hinted at my role. The only thing I've stated over and over is that my role is not a strong role and if wolves want to remove strong townies that they should definitely not kill me.
 

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I seriously don't see what the Warden could provide in this situation other than "those guys are lying" in which case, the Warden just would have gotten eaten.

Honestly focusing so much on the Warden thing just feels like the wolves trying to out the Warden. Which again brings me to Kat trying to expose roles for wolves to target.
 

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I seriously don't see what the Warden could provide in this situation other than "those guys are lying" in which case, the Warden just would have gotten eaten.

Honestly focusing so much on the Warden thing just feels like the wolves trying to out the Warden. Which again brings me to Kat trying to expose roles for wolves to target.
We're talking about what would happen if you were a wolf and killed FR, because Jump said you not killing him clears you. It doesn't, because if you were a wolf and killed him, it would out you. Yes, in this case, the warden has no helpful info unless they didn't actually jail you two last night.
 
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