Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf - Version IX - Day 5

[Benzine]

what if they're an alpha or guardian kut

 

[Jon]

Night 1 - I protected #7 which turned out to be local
Night 2 - I protected TD
Night 3 - I protected Benzine
Night 4 - I protected TD again (thankfully he was avenge killed)
Night 5 - I protected Benzine again

If Benzine turns out to be a wolf, I will have chosen my targets very poorly every night.

Since Benzine came out as a "seer" type, he also hasn't been targeted by the wolves, which to me is HIGHLY suspicious in and of itself because he's the wolves' biggest threat outside me as a protector.

 

[Benzine]

and i am good, put your eggs in my basket.

 

[shortkut]

Night 4 - I protected TD again (thankfully he was avenge killed)

@Zell 17 would doctor protection work against an avenge killing at night?

 

[Tommy Boy]

Yes, if we lose a townie now and tonight we lose

If Jon and Tommy target Benzine, then we have a chance if we do not lynch.

If Jon is telling the truth, Tommy won’t be able to kill him and benzine can report back

If Jon is lying, Tommy gets an extra vote and we know Jon is the wolf

If I am killed, then benzine can report back on Tommy


This is the smartest play if @Benzine is telling the truth and we are unsure about Tommy

But if you're killed, the report won't matter, it would be the last day phase. He's just going to lie no matter what.

 

[Jon]

@Zell 17 would doctor protection work against an avenge killing at night?

I was going to ask him the same in private chat. But I reread the role and it says "normal" kill so I assumed that's why he still died. And thank god... lol

 

[Tommy Boy]

what if they're an alpha or guardian kut

You're a voodoo wolf. No need to add extra confusion here.

 

[Benzine]

Tommy, the town is gonna lynch you today if we don't go ahead with a plan like that. If you're a townsmember, truly, it's your only way to contribute to winning.

 

[Benzine]

I wouldn't want to lose because you're just wrong about me being evil and you are good.

 

[shortkut]

But if you're killed, the report won't matter, it would be the last day phase. He's just going to lie no matter what.

I was hoping no one would point that out

 

[Jon]

You're a voodoo wolf. No need to add extra confusion here.

I doubt he's voodoo. If he were now would have been an ideal time to ensure one of us is muted.

 

[shortkut]

@Jon if you had to pick between benzine and Tommy, who would it be?

 

[shortkut]

what if they're an alpha or guardian kut

It might be game over now. I don’t think it would be guardian wolf because it was very risky to leave it until the end. If the avenger or kill roles got to him, the ability would be lost

 

[Jon]

The problem with Kut's plan of not lynching and both of us targeting Benzine is that it gives him the free kill on me.

 

[shortkut]

It might be game over now. I don’t think it would be guardian wolf because it was very risky to leave it until the end. If the avenger or kill roles got to him, the ability would be lost

If there’s an alpha wolf, he should announce it now since it’s game over

 

[Jon]

@Jon if you had to pick between benzine and Tommy, who would it be?

Right now? I lean Benzine is the wolf.

 

[shortkut]

Right now? I lean Benzine is the wolf.

And why is that?

 

[Benzine]

It might be game over now. I don’t think it would be guardian wolf because it was very risky to leave it until the end. If the avenger or kill roles got to him, the ability would be lost

why

 

[Jon]

And why is that?

Because he was the only one that didn't go along with Jawneh's plan and I've seen Tommy try to lie his way out of being a wolf and it's not pretty. Benzine is VERY good and perfectly capable of pulling this off.

 

[Jon]

Also his continued harping about a guardian or alpha is concerning that he is that one.

 

[Benzine]

what was jawnehs plan?

 

[shortkut]

why

We would need to lynch correctly now and Jon needs to be telling the truth and make the correct save. If not, we lose

 

[Benzine]

Also his continued harping about a guardian or alpha is concerning that he is that one.

bro i'm trying to make sure we're all thinking about this.

there are two things that we all need to do here - and it's taken from all the different card games, board games, video games we've all played (well that i've played at least).

we need to think about how can we lose.

we need to think about how can we win.

i am making sure we're taking the best actions jon.

if you really think i'm still a wolf at this point, and are good, i don't really know what i am gonna have to do more...

 

[Jon]

what was jawnehs plan?

That you check Tommy to confirm his role, then we lynch Dean and he targets Jawneh to rule them both out. We were assuming I'd be killed by the wolves which would out me as doctor. This would have proven Tommy or you as the last wolf and Kut and the last townie vote you.

 

[Benzine]

We would need to lynch correctly now and Jon needs to be telling the truth and make the correct save. If not, we lose

but if we keep someone alive today and it is jon that is the baddie, jon is gonna kill me to not be revealed and tommy can pick me and have more votes and blah blah blah

 

[Jon]

bro i'm trying to make sure we're all thinking about this.

there are two things that we all need to do here - and it's taken from all the different card games, board games, video games we've all played (well that i've played at least).

we need to think about how can we lose.

we need to think about how can we win.

i am making sure we're taking the best actions jon.

if you really think i'm still a wolf at this point, and are good, i don't really know what i am gonna have to do more...

I hear you, and like I said earlier. You or Tommy is the last wolf and either way whichever of you is the wolf has played a great deception game.

 

[shortkut]

That you check Tommy to confirm his role, then we lynch Dean and he targets Jawneh to rule them both out. We were assuming I'd be killed by the wolves which would out me as doctor. This would have proven Tommy or you as the last wolf and Kut and the last townie vote you.

But we didn’t lynch Dean

 

[Jon]

But we didn’t lynch Dean

We didn't get to that point because Dean was killed by the last wolf.

 

[shortkut]

So this is what @VashTheStampede must feel like

 

[Jon]

Also, fyi I have a tornado watch in my area till 5pm, so... if I suddenly disappear just hope I don't end up in Oz.

 

[Jon]

So this is what @VashTheStampede must feel like

Hah, at least we all haven't pinned our vote to yours yet.

 

[shortkut]

Hah, at least we all haven't pinned our vote to yours yet.

You all essentially have

 

[Jon]

I haven't.

 

[shortkut]

Benzine - smart enough to run a ruse whereby he sacrifices Kelly to prove innocence

Tommy - his reasoning seems off like he’s trying not to lie while defending himself

Jon - very convenient that the wolves always targeted someone other than the only protector left in the game

 

[Jon]

Technically since you've put your vote on me, it's up to me to choose between Tommy and Benzine. Or I can lamb chop this shit and vote you

 

[shortkut]

@Tommy Boy benzine or Jon

 

[shortkut]

Technically since you've put your vote on me, it's up to me to choose between Tommy and Benzine. Or I can lamb chop this shit and vote you

It’s only lambchopping if the wolf promises not to kill tonight. I also put my vote on you to remove it from Tommy for the time being

 

[Jon]

Benzine - smart enough to run a ruse whereby he sacrifices Kelly to prove innocence

Tommy - his reasoning seems off like he’s trying not to lie while defending himself

Jon - very convenient that the wolves always targeted someone other than the only protector left in the game

Fucking right!? How the fuck am I still alive?!

Though I did say if I survive this is the exact reason why. Cause me to be doubted.

 

[shortkut]

Fucking right!? How the fuck am I still alive?!

Though I did say if I survive this is the exact reason why. Cause me to be doubted.

Causing you to be doubted is a stupid reason. Every night they didn’t target you, they ran the risk of having their kill blocked. Unless things have changed, you cannot target yourself to be saved, so they would know they could have a free kill every night

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Tommy Boy benzine or Jon

Benzine, final answer. Jon had questionable protect choices but he couldn't have known about TD. I believe Jon, and I totally believe Benzine would leave Jon alive to have us doubt Jon.

 

[Benzine]

you guys are absolutely wild for thinking i'm a wolf.

i was going hard saying to kill td, and that man was a wolf, with no evidence about.

why would i search for kelly? why would i truthfully reveal info? what if the town always thought there may have already been a dead wolf when there was not? that is a huge misplay of a wolf. if i'm half as good as you want me to be then i wouldn't do that.

did anyone say self muting sounds good before me? i'm not saying i did it first, i miss heaps of posts. but hoping i did and that it's evidence of a third wolf i've been involved with killing.

come on!

 

[shortkut]

Benzine, final answer. Jon had questionable protect choices but he couldn't have known about TD. I believe Jon, and I totally believe Benzine would leave Jon alive to have us doubt Jon.

Jon’s role has been known for some time now. Benzine wasn’t the only wolf left at that point in time, so why would they agree to leaving Jon alive. It is one thing to agree with sacrificing someone, but it’s another to leave a protect role alive

 

[shortkut]

Jon’s role has been known for some time now. Benzine wasn’t the only wolf left at that point in time, so why would they agree to leaving Jon alive. It is one thing to agree with sacrificing someone, but it’s another to leave a protect role alive

Adding on to this:

Leaving Jon alive to make him sus only works towards the endgame.

Sorry Tommy, I’m leaning your way

 

[Tommy Boy]

Adding on to this:

Leaving Jon alive to make him sus only works towards the endgame.

Sorry Tommy, I’m leaning your way

It's all good dude, it's my word against Benzine against Jon. If you're not cupid that would be so fucked but I'm pretty sure we all believe it at this point lol.

 

[shortkut]

It's all good dude, it's my word against Benzine against Jon. If you're not cupid that would be so fucked but I'm pretty sure we all believe it at this point lol.

I wish I was the 4th wolf because that would be fun

 

[Tommy Boy]

Jon’s role has been known for some time now. Benzine wasn’t the only wolf left at that point in time, so why would they agree to leaving Jon alive. It is one thing to agree with sacrificing someone, but it’s another to leave a protect role alive

I think it's kind of dumb to save a shush until day 3 but it looks like that plan worked for whoever thought of it.

did anyone say self muting sounds good before me?

Oh, right.

 

[Benzine]

I think it's kind of dumb to save a shush until day 3 but it looks like that plan worked for whoever thought of it.

Oh, right.

these are the sort of posts that i think will undo you

 

[Jon]

It's all good dude, it's my word against Benzine against Jon. If you're not cupid that would be so fucked but I'm pretty sure we all believe it at this point lol.

I know he said it was a joke... but the people that "vindicated" him WERE woves...

Who had both a seer AND a blind wolf as I predicted.

It would be a fucking brilliant ploy from the get.

I don't think that's what happened, but it is a brilliant meta play.

 

[Jon]

these are the sort of posts that i think will undo you

This is my biggest concern. There is zero logical reason for the voodoo wolf to ONLY use the ability once. Why would they?

 

[Tommy Boy]

these are the sort of posts that i think will undo you

You have a list by now of all the other things I've done wrong or what?