Kat’s Wolf Womp womp, you have died

[TD]

I wonder how strict Kat is gonna be - cause technically this should've been the last post of the phase:

Post in thread 'Wolf - fewer roles version - Day 4' https://gwforums.com/threads/wolf-fewer-roles-version-day-4.1283/post-70586

And this would mean the wolves win.

 

[finlandguy]

The votes haven't changed since then and FR just re-skipped so... Whenever she feels like it. I guess kut also needs to re-skip.

Man this is a rollercoaster I wish I was still riding instead of watching. I need to update my game plans. And I did notice some things about my play style that I need to fix.

 

[Zell 17]

Guess I was wrong when I said the optimum wolf strategy was to confuse the village. Turns out, the optimal wolf strategy is to just do absolutely nothing and watch the village spontaneously combust.

 

[Raine]

Guess I was wrong when I said the optimum wolf strategy was to confuse the village. Turns out, the optimal wolf strategy is to just do absolutely nothing and watch the village spontaneously combust.

It is known.

Every time someone speaks "too much," people think they're suspicious. The end result of that is always going to be passivity... to an extent. Like, Vash specifically targeted people in the back of the crowd so there's an exact threshold. But y'know,

That's boring as fuck though so regardless of what team I wind up on I'm going to spin webs and do dumb shit. Ain't never gonna be the top poster though unless something horrific has happened to everyone else.



As for this day phase? Even with the knowledge that 1 or 2 people are being intentionally thick-headed, some of the takes and conclusions have been out there.

 

[finlandguy]

Vash:

 

[TD]

That's boring as fuck though so regardless of what team I wind up on I'm going to spin webs and do dumb shit. Ain't never gonna be the top poster though unless something horrific has happened to everyone else.

This is exactly why I always just come out and do my thing. I play for fun.

The plus is by now people seem to realize that I'm going to do that whether I'm good or bad, so my vocality doesn't equal I'm bad.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

This is exactly why I always just come out and do my thing. I play for fun.

The plus is by now people seem to realize that I'm going to do that whether I'm good or bad, so my vocality doesn't equal I'm bad.

There's a reason people keep saying I'm hard to read. Same thing every time works.

Until you die on the second night because your team doesn't like protectors who can find stuff out.

 

[TD]

Until you die on the second night because your team doesn't like protectors who can find stuff out.

Tough Guy is cursed.

Last game I played I was Tough Guy, then after Day 1 was jailed and zerk killed.

 

[Raine]

There's a commonality between these two instances of Tough Guy that I don't like.

I can't quite put my finger on what that is though.

 

[TD]

There's a commonality between these two instances of Tough Guy that I don't like.

I can't quite put my finger on what that is though.

 

[Raine]

@VashTheStampede jon today then you can pick me foil or tubby tomorrow?

 

[TD]

I fucking love that you posted this.

 

[TD]

Thread is locked.

Wolves win.



Kat probably writing up the story.

#TeamTubby is so impactful that he just gets tossed on the wolves, doesn't do a thing, and they win.

 

[finlandguy]

Tubby simply existing is the sole reason we could do it.

 

[Kat]

@VashTheStampede @shortkut @Fool's Requiem @Jon @Tommy Boy @Tubby23

 

[Jon]

Gonna take some time to read through all this... but I'm scared of how early TD outed me.

 

[TD]

Gonna take some time to read through all this... but I'm scared of how early TD outed me.

I mean you survived until the end and won so..

 

[VashTheStampede]

Lots of talk of charging, referencing games that involve a good bit of pewpewin' (Contra, ostensibly MGS.)

The charging was a tell, the others a complete coincidence or maybe a Freudian slip.

There may or may not have been a Hide the Pain reaction somewhere too.

For the life of me I couldn't exactly recall the Uncle Derp nickname. I knew it was something like "Uncle Dipshit" or "Uncle Dumbass" but I needed to remember the exact name that I was trying to shed so I dug through that old thread to find it. When I got there I thought I'd raz you a bit for doing EXACTLY what I did in that game.

 

[Jon]

Big wall incoming. Sorry in advance...

I needed the village to lynch to a wolf, which is why I was pushing Jon, who is 100% a wolf.

I was, but I knew your story was BS and no one seemed to believe me, lol.

I mean to be fair Zell did give them accurate info and they just chose to ignore it to go after Zell instead which was a bad play by the town.

He gave insanely accurate info but pure feeling of a guess. To be fair, someone told me best way to play wolf is by playing how you would as a townie. I did do that here. But I was still seemingly outed early.

Jon has just screamed wolf to me since early, but the wolves could definitely pull this one off still. Most are seeming pretty trusting of him, though.

I had to WORK for that trust. It was not easy.

Nah Jon revealed himself when he instantly said I was the serial killer and not a wolf. And Jawneh backed him. Tubby is the other wolf and shortkut is dumb.

If I recall, and I could be wrong, I said you're either a wolf lying or the serial killer trying to sow discourse. I wasn't wrong, but the frequency that I out myself as early as i do worries me, and every time i search for why to be better, it's always "gut feelings."

Thank you!! There's all this talk about "the wolves didn't even know there were named powerless roles" when the very first role to be revealed was School Teacher.

I honestly just am still too new to the games. i didn't know ALL the roles. i usually only read the ones in the game.

There was a farmer one Zell game.

Yeah... it was me then too lol

I want to say he dropped an allusion to being Tough Guy about the same time Jumpman said Tubby was protected, and those were right after the actual Doctor and Tough Guy got ganked.

You and Zell both said I dropped an allusion to being Tough Guy. I have no idea what I said, but I'd like to know if you can find it. If I knew, I would have role played into that because only the wolves knew the tough guy was dead because we smoke screened that kill and I would have had a legit alibi.

lmao poor Vash.

FR, kut, and Jon: "Sounds good we'll follow Vash."

This was my only play, I felt. I only had tenuous trust and I NEEDE them to lynch Fool or Kut. I didn't care which. Giving it to Vash gave me plausible deniability if I needed it later.

Even if you ignore the fact that Jon knew 100% I wasn't a wolf (which they seem to be ignoring), there's this:

What are the odds that Kat made up some villager names for every single "powerless" role EXCEPT for Jon (which is in the dictionary)? Doesn't it seem more likely that Jon picked Farmer because it was in the dictionary, before he fully realized that everyone was getting unique non-dictionary roles? Add to that his overall reluctance to claim any villager role?

That's precisely what happened. I don't know all the roles so I picked out farmer and didn't think to check school teacher and realize it wasn't a role. Flip side, I have had reluctance in every game regardless of role I am assigned. That should not have been something that was a red flag IN THIS GAME I feel.

I will say this though: I do think Vash had a great game killing 2 wolves as a marksman, but I felt I played a really good game... I'm a little sad most people did had zero recognition of anything I did well.

 

[shortkut]

So confirmation on the wolves?

I have more fun when I’m not obsessing over the game and when everyone kept mentioning Jon as suspicious but no one else wanted to vote him, I cared even less. If Fool agreed to vote Jon any of the times I mentioned it, I would have stopped suspecting him. He was playing a great game except for his refusal to vote for the person on everyone’s suspect list, and the only one who was super obvious.

 

[TD]

So confirmation on the wolves?

Jawneh, canadaguy, Jon, Tubby

 

[shortkut]

So confirmation on the wolves?

I have more fun when I’m not obsessing over the game and when everyone kept mentioning Jon as suspicious but no one else wanted to vote him, I cared even less. If Fool agreed to vote Jon any of the times I mentioned it, I would have stopped suspecting him. He was playing a great game except for his refusal to vote for the person on everyone’s suspect list, and the only one who was super obvious.

It’s why at the end I was saying Jon first, then tubby, or Jon then anyone else because if it is tubby, the town would win

 

[VashTheStampede]

Flip side, I have had reluctance in every game regardless of role I am assigned. That should not have been something that was a red flag IN THIS GAME I feel.

100% agreed. If you would have come out and said the words, that would have been more sus to me. You played that perfectly.

I will say this though: I do think Vash had a great game killing 2 wolves as a marksman, but I felt I played a really good game... I'm a little sad most people did had zero recognition of anything I did well.

I wanna be clear that I think you did a heck of a job and deserve the win.

 

[TD]

He gave insanely accurate info but pure feeling of a guess. To be fair, someone told me best way to play wolf is by playing how you would as a townie. I did do that here. But I was still seemingly outed early.

Never underestimate the ability of some people to make reads - it's easy to say guess and in some ways they are, but there can be more intricacies that can led to "better guesses".

I had to WORK for that trust. It was not easy.

You definitely did and it worked out in the end. Well done.

 

[Kat]

the frequency that I out myself as early as i do worries me, and every time i search for why to be better, it's always "gut feelings

I wouldn't necessarily take that too seriously. Everyone has theories and people quickly forget about all the theories that turned out to be wrong.

IMO you would've been more believable if you'd picked a different role to claim and done it sooner, but I get why you didn't.

 

[Jon]

Never underestimate the ability of some people to make reads - it's easy to say guess and in some ways they are, but there can be more intricacies that can led to "better guesses".

Zell suspicion of me was purely a hunch. He was accurate, but I can tell you that for the first two days I was able to freely act as I would have as a villager and I still would have been outed by a lot. Some people's hunches are just right.

Funny enough, Zell's correct hunches were off misinterpreted reads

 

[Jon]

IMO you would've been more believable if you'd picked a different role to claim and done it sooner, but I get why you didn't.

My concern is if I do that next game, i'll get immediate heat because it will be an early target regardless because it's out of character.

EDIT - Also, I don't wanna be a wolf anymore RNG! lol

 

[Zell 17]

Zell suspicion of me was purely a hunch. He was accurate, but I can tell you that for the first two days I was able to freely act as I would have as a villager and I still would have been outed by a lot. Some people's hunches are just right.

Funny enough, Zell's correct hunches were off misinterpreted reads

The info was just a hunch. I didn't KNOW you were a wolf until after you posted. You didn't push CG at all despite the fact that he had absolutely no alibi or attempt to claim whatsoever.

 

[Jon]

The info was just a hunch. I didn't KNOW you were a wolf until after you posted. You didn't push CG at all despite the fact that he had absolutely no alibi or attempt to claim whatsoever.

I was defending myself to you, I didn't think I needed to mention him.

That said, i have to go back and look at what I posted that you're referencing. I can't honestly remember.

 

[shortkut]

I think we can boil down the loss to:

1. My refusal to read
2. My hesitation on voting for tubby since that was an easy target
3. Fool refusing to actually vote for Jon

Had any of those not occurred, the town would win despite killing our own

 

[Tommy Boy]

 

[Raine]

The charging was a tell, the others a complete coincidence or maybe a Freudian slip.

I noticed there was a looot of that this game, from a bunch of different people!

For the life of me I couldn't exactly recall the Uncle Derp nickname. I knew it was something like "Uncle Dipshit" or "Uncle Dumbass" but I needed to remember the exact name that I was trying to shed so I dug through that old thread to find it. When I got there I thought I'd raz you a bit for doing EXACTLY what I did in that game.

Dipshit and Dumbass don't quite sound endearing to me, so, there is that?

The prospect of blindsiding you with your own tomfoolery was extraordinarily appealing, I won't lie. But alas it was not meant to be! ...Maybe next time.

You and Zell both said I dropped an allusion to being Tough Guy. I have no idea what I said, but I'd like to know if you can find it. If I knew, I would have role played into that because only the wolves knew the tough guy was dead because we smoke screened that kill and I would have had a legit alibi.

For all I know at present it could've been Zell's post that my memory drudged up. I wasn't around Friday night through early Sunday morning, so, everything got a bit hazy. But I'll go back through during lunch/tonight and see if anything stands out!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Dipshit and Dumbass don't quite sound endearing to me, so, there is that?

yeah that was another reason i had to hunt it down and correct it in my goofed-up brain. I knew it wasnt a hurtful name and had made me chuckle.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to have overcome the derp allegations

 

[Zell 17]

You and Zell both said I dropped an allusion to being Tough Guy. I have no idea what I said, but I'd like to know if you can find it. If I knew, I would have role played into that because only the wolves knew the tough guy was dead because we smoke screened that kill and I would have had a legit alibi.

Tough guy is the biggest threat for most solo killers. I really needed to know who they were, I was gonna push a TG claim onto somebody.

 

[Jon]

Tough guy is the biggest threat for most solo killers. I really needed to know who they were, I was gonna push a TG claim onto somebody.

I see, so you were just pushing that on me.

I was wracking my brain to figure out what I said because all I knew was "I don't even know what the tough guy really does! How could I allude to it!"

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Tough guy is the biggest threat for most solo killers. I really needed to know who they were, I was gonna push a TG claim onto somebody.

So says Mr. "You should have claimed tough guy harder"

 

[Tommy Boy]

I don't remember where or who said it, something about how nobody wants to "be the one" to cause the town to lose. Maybe @VashTheStampede or @TD said it. That definitely happened this game, and I'm sorry to out the onus on you, Vash. Being the only one with a proven role, it was so hard not to want to blindly follow your lead and go with your gut instincts. I see how this can be discouraging, and when I kind of picked up on that, I stopped hiding behind you and got serious, posted the chart, etc. So, apologies for being a noob cannon and not wanting to be the reason for losing. That's totally the subconscious reasoning I had in my head in retrospect. I didn't want to vote for the wrong person and be wrong. Nobody wants to be wrong ever, but when an entire game hinges on what feels like one single action, it sucks being the one to make the call. But really, it's one of those things where you gotta own up and be a team player, or die from not getting your voice heard. I chose to step up rather than sit back, but there were still pivotal moments I really wanted to see the Vash move first.

In the end, there were some dumb things like no lynches and some random bouts of inactivity, but I really enjoyed this game and I'm looking forward to the next.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Don't worry, this loss was basically a full team effort. Vash just gave everyone false hope for a bit.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Don't worry, this loss was basically a full team effort. Vash just gave everyone false hope for a bit.

Yeah, that's why I wasn't  really bothered by being forced into being the point man this time. I figured the only reason we were even still in it was from my kills, so might as well see how long I could ride the streak.

I had already dodged the bullet (arrow?) twice when neither of my kill attempts ended the game with a suicide, so I was playing with house money.

 

[TD]

As Alu said - this loss was a full town effort and not on anyone specifically, so there's really nothing to apologize for.

At the end of the day - it's fine being wrong as long as you have fun. I mean, we all had a laugh that everyone tried to kill Alu but no one was truly criticized.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The no lynch on Tubby is gonna haunt me though

 

[A Maybe Baker]

As Alu said - this loss was a full town effort and not on anyone specifically, so there's really nothing to apologize for.

At the end of the day - it's fine being wrong as long as you have fun. I mean, we all had a laugh that everyone tried to kill Alu but no one was truly criticized.

Not everyone. The wolves and SK were fine with my existence.

 

[TD]

The no lynch on Tubby is gonna haunt me though

Between Jumpman protecting him and a Day 3 no lynch - I think it's fair to question if #TeamTubby has transcended wolf meme territory.

 

[finlandguy]

Not everyone. The wolves and SK were fine with my existence.

To be fair, I got my wolf trix on you. Not an aggressive act against you, but... I could smell the bloodlust in the air.

 

[shortkut]

Yeah, that's why I wasn't  really bothered by being forced into being the point man this time. I figured the only reason we were even still in it was from my kills, so might as well see how long I could ride the streak.

I had already dodged the bullet (arrow?) twice when neither of my kill attempts ended the game with a suicide, so I was playing with house money.

I wasn’t trying to force you, but you were the only one that wasn’t too stubborn to change their vote, so you were literally the only option

 

[shortkut]

The no lynch on Tubby is gonna haunt me though

I’ll take the blame for that. That day, the way Jon and Fool were interacting seemed planned. I knew Jon was a wolf, and that day convinced me Fool was. If I was a wolf, I’d try to take tubby out for an easy lynch, so I thought it was awfully convenient that a wolf and one other person were aiming for the inactive person.

 

[Kat]

I’ll take the blame for that. That day, the way Jon and Fool were interacting seemed planned. I knew Jon was a wolf, and that day convinced me Fool was. If I was a wolf, I’d try to take tubby out for an easy lynch, so I thought it was awfully convenient that a wolf and one other person were aiming for the inactive person.

That's fair reasoning. It just so happened Tubby was a wolf, but if he hadn't been, he would've been an easy target for a false lynch. It's not like there was much to go on either way.

 

[shortkut]

That's fair reasoning. It just so happened Tubby was a wolf, but if he hadn't been, he would've been an easy target for a false lynch. It's not like there was much to go on either way.

It was the interactions between Jon and fool that threw me. I was convinced they were in cahoots

 

[Jon]

I’ll take the blame for that. That day, the way Jon and Fool were interacting seemed planned. I knew Jon was a wolf, and that day convinced me Fool was. If I was a wolf, I’d try to take tubby out for an easy lynch, so I thought it was awfully convenient that a wolf and one other person were aiming for the inactive person.

To be fair, I wasn't pushing Tubby at all. I was saying I had a "hunch" he was the other wolf because I believed "others."

I needed the circle of doubt on you and Fool for any chance to win. If you had lynched Tubby I would not have won. Had you given me the same option you gave Fool of "So vote for Fool" I would have done that too because it didn't matter to me if it were you or Fool that got lynched.

Then there was a time it looked like you were all going to implode onto Tommy and I shut up completely. I was NOT going to push that onto my Grubby hatin' leader.

 

[Raine]

At the end of the day - it's fine being wrong as long as you have fun. I mean, we all had a laugh that everyone tried to kill Alu but no one was truly criticized.

Exactly!


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