Kat’s Wolf Womp womp, you have died

[TD]

 

[Kat]

I guess I was wrong. What is he waiting for?!

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I guess I was wrong. What is he waiting for?!

The drama.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

But what do I know I'm dead

 

[Raine]

Meanwhile I did intentionally make a subtle claim and got murdered by two townies.

In my defense...

Whoever I randomly targeted Night 0 was dying regardless!

It was either going to be #4 or #5, I opted for the latter since apparently everyone else likes targeting #4 for reasons I do not understand yet but are definitely different than mine. Because I'm insane.

Edit: Well being shot at, anyway. I naturally assumed I was the dummy doing the dying.

 

[Kat]

Welcome @Benzine.

 

[TD]

 

[Kat]

I did not see that coming lol

 

[Raine]

The priest throws his holy water on GwJumpman! GwJumpman is not a wolf! Benzine has died. Benzine was the Priest.

Say whaaa?

 

[Benzine]

Haha.

 

[Kat]

Who was your second choice?

 

[TD]

5 members of the town are dead.

...3 of those 5 were directly killed by town kill abilities.



The bads  better win this one.

 

[Benzine]

I considered going for Tubby23 or Jawneh because those would've been the funniest (slash the funniest to me). But I thought I should at least go for someone who voted for me.

 

[Kat]

Watering Tubby would've been hilarious.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Lmao go team dead.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Congrats on your tubby boy memorial badge.

 

[Smacktard]

Nobody piecing together the obvious fact that Zell's role would be the perfect role to target for wolves since it was the only (supposed) intel role revealed, and yet they let him live and killed an unclaimed role instead... while they have a berserk wolf kill.

And still no one questioning why he would reveal himself as a spirit seer day one with 0 information.

 

[Smacktard]

Currently I'm sure Zell and Vash are wolves. I'm guessing jumpman is SK, and I'm guessing Jawneh is a wolf too.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Why did Dean think I was sus?

Also yeah with how Vash was playing it earlier it seems a safe bet that he's aligned with Zell.

 

[Smacktard]

Lol @ shortkut's post. He's gotta be a wolfie too, right?

 

[Benzine]

And although pointless at this point, I'd have gone for Zell otherwise.

Feels nice to get a gamble in otherwise. I'll be back on your asses next time!

 

[Benzine]

After having typed that out and reading it back I don't think I was killing Zell. Shut up, Benzine.

 

[Raine]

Big oof on murdering the Solo Killer.

With Berserk in play, town either lands +1 over wolves or the game ends outright if they hit, say, GwJumpman and Dean throws his potion to save him. Yeah?

 

[Smacktard]

Hahaha holy shit. I have no idea then. Crazy

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Well this game might end up a flawless victory for the wolves.

 

[Zell 17]

And although pointless at this point, I'd have gone for Zell otherwise.

Feels nice to get a gamble in otherwise. I'll be back on your asses next time!

Yeah I wanted that water

 

[Zell 17]

I needed the village to lynch to a wolf, which is why I was pushing Jon, who is 100% a wolf.

 

[Zell 17]

Unfortunately Benzines water happened after I went to sleep. But if I could have gotten watered and then pushed Jon out as a wolf with my “seer” information I would have had near maximum credibility.

Anyways if any of the protectors try to protect anyone tonight they are brain dead.

 

[Smacktard]

Yeah I wanted that water

Does this game make a good counter-argument that roles with bullets are more dangerous than roles with info?

 

[Zell 17]

Also if my kill of Tubby had gone through and it was revealed he was a wolf I wouldn’t have had to push the wolves so hard.

 

[TD]

Hahaha they lynched the solo killer?

Yeah, good luck town. You'll need it.

 

[TD]

Does this game make a good counter-argument that roles with bullets are more dangerous than roles with info?

This has always been the case.

 

[Smacktard]

This has always been the case.

My belief too, but Zell doesn't hold it

 

[Zell 17]

Does this game make a good counter-argument that roles with bullets are more dangerous than roles with info?

The town has played particularly poorly in this game. I’m not sure info would have helped. He’ll, I gave them 100% correct info both days and look where they are at

 

[Zell 17]

Does this game make a good counter-argument that roles with bullets are more dangerous than roles with info?

If every player plays their role well, as an evil I would rather there be a lot of info and fewer bullets

If players play badly, then yeah you want everyone holding a gun obviously.

 

[TD]

Case and point.. these kill roles have been hilariously great for the wolves this game.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Case and point.. these kill roles have been hilariously great for the wolves this game.

People targeting me killed more townies than the wolves have so far.

 

[Zell 17]

Case and point.. these kill roles have been hilariously great for the wolves this game.

Basically if I’m an evil I have to plan and assume that the village is gonna play well. In that case I want to kill bullets.

If instead the village plays bad, then awesome.

 

[Smacktard]

The town has played particularly poorly in this game. I’m not sure info would have helped. He’ll, I gave them 100% correct info both days and look where they are at

I think the point though is that the town can't really play well if they don't have any info to go off of -- and in your case, why trust a baddie?

 

[TD]

I think the point though is that the town can't really play well if they don't have any info to go off of -- and in your case, why trust a baddie?

I mean to be fair Zell did give them accurate info and they just chose to ignore it to go after Zell instead which was a bad play by the town.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I think the point though is that the town can't really play well if they don't have any info to go off of -- and in your case, why trust a baddie?

The town can play "well" with bullets by not using them randomly.

Raine making the decision to shoot no matter what on the first opportunity presented: bad play
Dean following through and killing me based on...something? Unsure as to why: bad play

Benzine: slightly better play because people were voting for him, but bad result


None of the choices were good ones, and only one was understandable (although the choice was wrong, but choosing Zell would have likely been a worse result because people would assume he's safe)

 

[Smacktard]

I mean to be fair Zell did give them accurate info and they just chose to ignore it to go after Zell instead which was a bad play by the town.

Killing Zell was only a bad play in retrospect. There was no benefit to giving a seer claim day one with no actionable info, unless he were trying to establish cred as a baddie.

The town can play "well" with bullets by not using them randomly.

Raine making the decision to shoot no matter what on the first opportunity presented: bad play
Dean following through and killing me based on...something? Unsure as to why: bad play

Benzine: slightly better play because people were voting for him, but bad result


None of the choices were good ones, and only one was understandable (although the choice was wrong, but choosing Zell would have likely been a worse result because people would assume he's safe)

Yeah but my point is that without any seer roles, and with a lot of obfuscated information (unknown roles, confusion wolf) there isn't really any way to play "well" for the town. How can people know who to kill when no one is going to outright admit to being a bad guy, and there's few ways to prove your role?

But yeah, I agree with you it doesn't make sense to use your townie killing role so early in the game. Hell, I didn't even protect anyone Night 1.

@Kat , did wolves target my night 0 protection target?

 

[Raine]

In my defense...

Anyone I would've shot would've had the same result!

Lower effort: Redirect to GwJumpman, kill myself hitting (alleged) RRV Protector.
Minimal effort: Redirect to Zell, kill Solo Killer and make wolves' life easier. (Or see Kelly option below)
lolno: Redirect to Kelly, redirect to ???, ultimately do nothing 'cause busy weekend/game ends within usual timeframe.

Shooting Alu and him living would've been the best result, but even then the Berserk would nullify his Tough Guy ability. So... oof? Yes, oof.

 

[Smacktard]

In my defense...

Anyone I would've shot would've had the same result!

Lower effort: Redirect to GwJumpman, kill myself hitting (alleged) RRV Protector.
Minimal effort: Redirect to Zell, kill Solo Killer and make wolves' life easier. (Or see Kelly option below)
lolno: Redirect to Kelly, redirect to ???, ultimately do nothing 'cause busy weekend/game ends within usual timeframe.

Shooting Alu and him living would've been the best result, but even then the Berserk would nullify his Tough Guy ability. So... oof? Yes, oof.

I love how I always think you're sus because your logic never makes sense to me I just have to stop assuming you're evil, and just start realizing that we both play the game in very different ways (and often your logic makes sense to me *after* some new info comes out later!)

 

[Kat]

@Kat , did wolves target my night 0 protection target?

No, they targeted Zell. Yet they had no idea he was the solo killer until he was lynched.

 

[Smacktard]

No, they targeted Zell. Yet they had no idea he was the solo killer until he was lynched.

Alright, that's what I thought. Interesting they didn't know his role though.

I'm guessing canadaguy is another wolfie then. I was going to protect him again Night 1 but decided against it.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

In my defense...

Anyone I would've shot would've had the same result!

Lower effort: Redirect to GwJumpman, kill myself hitting (alleged) RRV Protector.
Minimal effort: Redirect to Zell, kill Solo Killer and make wolves' life easier. (Or see Kelly option below)
lolno: Redirect to Kelly, redirect to ???, ultimately do nothing 'cause busy weekend/game ends within usual timeframe.

Shooting Alu and him living would've been the best result, but even then the Berserk would nullify his Tough Guy ability. So... oof? Yes, oof.

But the point is you shouldn't have shot when you did, and likely not the night after as well. That would result in you still being alive to vote.

Dean also shouldn't have used his kill on me (or anyone yet), which would have resulted in me still being alive to vote.

We're down two extra votes because people wanted to act fast.


Edit: we're also down kill shots because people wanted to act fast. Now it's a "lynch perfectly through the end of the game" in order to win situation.

 

[Raine]

But the point is you shouldn't have shot when you did, and likely not the night after as well. That would result in you still being alive to vote.

For sure.

But I would vote for the same people I would want to shoot, so, I'm not sure that helps move the needle much without more information coming. Which... seems unlikely, unfortunately!

 

[TD]

Killing Zell was only a bad play in retrospect. There was no benefit to giving a seer claim day one with no actionable info, unless he were trying to establish cred as a baddie.

Zell pretty much spelled out to everyone that he was the Evil Detective though.

One of the biggest mistakes that happen every single game is going after the solo killer way too early.

SK literally has to be the last one standing - yet townies and wolves alike always make it a priority. It's a mistake. The only time the SK should be targeted is when it seals your win.

Yeah but my point is that without any seer roles, and with a lot of obfuscated information (unknown roles, confusion wolf) there isn't really any way to play "well" for the town.

Except there is. It's been proven time and time again that behaviour reading and cold reads are a perfectly viable strategy in the hands of a strong player.

The bigger problem is this misbelief that you NEED a seer and too many get paralyzed into inaction in a game of deception and chance.

Anyone I would've shot would've had the same result!

I love you Raine but we both know it wasn't a great play.

 

[Zell 17]

Killing Zell was only a bad play in retrospect. There was no benefit to giving a seer claim day one with no actionable info, unless he were trying to establish cred as a baddie.

Yeah but my point is that without any seer roles, and with a lot of obfuscated information (unknown roles, confusion wolf) there isn't really any way to play "well" for the town. How can people know who to kill when no one is going to outright admit to being a bad guy, and there's few ways to prove your role?

But yeah, I agree with you it doesn't make sense to use your townie killing role so early in the game. Hell, I didn't even protect anyone Night 1.

@Kat , did wolves target my night 0 protection target?

The benefit to claiming seer day 1 is the same as claiming any other role: it helps the town by narrowing town possibilities. I would do the same as a legit spirit seer, because if I don’t give me info and I die it’s lost forever. And then jawneh gets lynched after I had info that he was innocent.