Zell Wolf Wolf day 4

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Someone who isnt voting for Tommy please explain what we stand to lose by voting for Tommy

There are people voting for Tommy who stand to switch their votes at last second to get someone else lynched instead.

 

[shortkut]

There are people voting for Tommy who stand to switch their votes at last second to get someone else lynched instead.

That too

 

[VashTheStampede]

There are people voting for Tommy who stand to switch their votes at last second to get someone else lynched instead.

Easily combated with numbers

 

[shortkut]

Easily combated with numbers

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Easily combated with numbers

Agreed, but I am not a number.

 

[Jawneh]

We do not know who the instigated town member is. So targeting that person, would be a risk for missing

Though you were fairly insistent on me being it earlier before even entertaining the idea of others.

And only then getting on the Zell train while ignoring potential shaman shenanigans.

 

[shortkut]

For the town to win, we need to take out the instigator and his two cronies and all the wolves

One of the cronies is also a wolf. The 4th and final wolf

It is most likely that Zell is the wolf, which means he has to be one of the cronies.

The cronies die together, so one kill now takes out 2 enemies of the town.

We do not know who the instigated town member is. So targeting that person, would be a risk for missing

Voting for Tommy gains nothing. If we kill him, the wolves still have a kill overnight and a 2 person voting block to try to sow confusion and avoid a lynch. If we kill the final wolf, there is still only one overnight kill (Tommy) and we know 100% who the final baddie is, so no matter who is killed, the town can still group together and win

@Fool's Requiem @VashTheStampede since it was on the previous page

Easily combated with numbers

only if everyone else votes together. That is a 3 person voting block that can move anywhere. All the need is to prevent a lynch to be able to kill and shift the balance their way. It’s why voting for the wolf is the safer bet

 

[shortkut]

Though you were fairly insistent on me being it earlier before even entertaining the idea of others.

And only then getting on the Zell train while ignoring potential shaman shenanigans.

It is most likely to be you, but I already conceded it could be not you last night. It’s why I switched off if you to Zell. If you’re innocent, then you will survive if we kill zell

 

[Jawneh]

It is most likely to be you, but I already conceded it could be not you last night. It’s why I switched off if you to Zell. If you’re innocent, then you will survive if we kill zell

And if we're wrong about Zell its game over and instigator wins.

Hence the whole lynch Tommy to prevent the power of three and get us breathing room.

 

[shortkut]

And if we're wrong about Zell its game over and instigator wins.

Hence the whole lynch Tommy to prevent the power of three and get us breathing room.

You lost the ability to request breathing room when you revived Tommy.

Zell is guilty and the final wolf

 

[Jawneh]

There are people voting for Tommy who stand to switch their votes at last second to get someone else lynched instead.

Looking at the numbers, unless the trio can somehow manage to move enough votes on one of the townies, them moving votes doesn't benefit them. We got 8 people alive and with 1 wolf kill it would only be 7 for tomorrow. They still can't win by brute force.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Looking at the numbers, unless the trio can somehow manage to move enough votes on one of the townies, them moving votes doesn't benefit them. We got 8 people alive and with 1 wolf kill it would only be 7 for tomorrow. They still can't win by brute force.

unless one of them is a preacher

 

[VashTheStampede]

You lost the ability to request breathing room when you revived Tommy.

Zell is guilty and the final wolf

You are way too certain.

 

[Jawneh]

You lost the ability to request breathing room when you revived Tommy.

Incorrect. I'm the ritualist. I have all the reason to hit the breaks and not have the town railroaded.

 

[Jawneh]

unless one of them is a preacher

Is one of us a preacher?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I think we're all looking at this the wrong way.

@Tommy Boy who did you match up?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Is one of us a preacher?

 

[shortkut]

You are way too certain.

If I’m not the final wolf, and I know you and fools aren’t, and I know Alu and Ants aren’t because I cleared them, only Zell or Jawneh can be the wolf. Jawneh announced the revive before it happened, so I assumed it wasn’t him

 

[Fool's Requiem]

ants did claim Preacher...

 

[shortkut]

ants did claim Preacher...

He also claimed no extra votes

 

[Jawneh]

ants did claim Preacher...

If Ants is a preacher, that means Alu is the SV.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If Ants is a preacher, that means Alu is the SV.

what is kut?

 

[shortkut]

what is kut?

Red lady you dingus

 

[Jawneh]

what is kut?

Red lady or the last wolf.

 

[VashTheStampede]

ants did claim Preacher...

Also HH lol

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Red lady you dingus

what proof do you have? no one has checked your aura.

 

[VashTheStampede]

If I’m not the final wolf, and I know you and fools aren’t, and I know Alu and Ants aren’t because I cleared them, only Zell or Jawneh can be the wolf. Jawneh announced the revive before it happened, so I assumed it wasn’t him

Im sorry if I missed this but you're saying you cleared Alu last night?

 

[Tommy Boy]

I think we're all looking at this the wrong way.

@Tommy Boy who did you match up?

Nobody, I've been the doctor this whole game and kept you alive to shoot me. A wolf scribe changed me to Instigator, again, the ONLY time this has been spoken into existence, and you all have ran with it. Not mentioned at all before this.

This entire day has been spent chasing a ghost, while the actual SK is still alive.

Like, how many logic hiccups do we need before we review? Alu completely lied about a read. Everyone disregarded the solo NV, which completely fuddles any "final wolf" plans. We are all talking like the instigator is a certainty and quite literally everyone has latched onto that idea. We were literally shown a shaman wolf exists, but all of the sudden we are certain all the wolves but one are dead? If you think Ants is a preacher then you have bigger problems tomorrow.

 

[shortkut]

what proof do you have? no one has checked your aura.

Zell said I was blue and I don’t know if Alu cleared me, but I cleared him

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Nobody, I've been the doctor this whole game and kept you alive to shoot me. A wolf scribe changed me to Instigator, again, the ONLY time this has been spoken into existence, and you all have ran with it. Not mentioned at all before this.

 

[shortkut]

Im sorry if I missed this but you're saying you cleared Alu last night?

I cleared him the second night. Ants, Alu, Vash, then I stopped checking new people

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Zell said I was blue and I don’t know if Alu cleared me, but I cleared him

SV will show as Blue because they don't kill.

 

[shortkut]

SV will show as Blue because they don't kill.

So now you think I’m the solo voter? Could be worse I guesd

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So now you think I’m the solo voter? Could be worse I guesd

I mean, you're HARD pushing a kill on a player who basically verified that Jon is bad...

 

[shortkut]

I mean, you're HARD pushing a kill on a player who basically verified that Jon is bad...

he did that out of desperation to try to avoid Tommy getting killed and outed

 

[Zell 17]

stop posting so much


Benzine messed up. We're rolling with it.

Benzine messed up multiple days in a row? What about the day 1 misread?

Dude Benzine did not mess up. He has always owned his mistakes when they occur and almost quit because people tried to make him part of the game.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Its starting to feel like at least 1 specific player is contractually obligated to not vote for Tommy

 

[Jawneh]

Its starting to feel like at least 1 specific player is contractually obligated to not vote for Tommy

Tommy?

 

[shortkut]

Its starting to feel like at least 1 specific player is contractually obligated to not vote for Tommy

do you still believe Zell to be wolf?

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Its starting to feel like at least 1 specific player is contractually obligated to not vote for Tommy

I was in a meeting telling engineers they made a booboo on a recent release. Just swapped my vote. Right now the 3 instigator crew members have the ability to cause a tie if they all switch to literally anyone but Zell, so we'd need at least one of the Zell voters to move over or for the Tommy people to move to Zell.

 

[shortkut]

I was in a meeting telling engineers they made a booboo on a recent release. Just swapped my vote. Right now the 3 instigator crew members have the ability to cause a tie if they all switch to literally anyone but Zell, so we'd need at least one of the Zell voters to move over or for the Tommy people to move to Zell.

Fair enough

 

[Zell 17]

How about this foolproof solution.

Vote off Tommy. shortkut visits me. If he dies, you know I’m the last wolf and you have more than enough players remaining to vote me out.

 

[shortkut]

How about this foolproof solution.

Vote off Tommy. shortkut visits me. If he dies, you know I’m the last wolf and you have more than enough players remaining to vote me out.

I’m not visiting you because if I die from visiting you, that hurts our numbers more. I’d sooner visit Jawneh to confirm he isn’t the last wolf

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

"hey why don't you go get yourself killed"

Actually not bad advice for most games for shortkut. But I don't think we need to even bother with that this time.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

How about this foolproof solution.

Vote off Tommy. shortkut visits me. If he dies, you know I’m the last wolf and you have more than enough players remaining to vote me out.

that's not fool proof.

We have 8 people.

One is going to be lynched. 7

One is likely to be wolf food. 6.

One is an SV. 5.

Two are paired. 3

kut, the "red lady" visits a wolf. Dies. 2.

Town is out numbered and will not win unless the SV is a HH and their target died.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

IF kut is the RL, we can't afford to have him visit a bad guy to prove himself.

 

[Jawneh]

that's not fool proof.

We have 8 people.

One is going to be lynched. 7

One is likely to be wolf food. 6.

One is an SV. 5.

Two are paired. 3

kut, the "red lady" visits a wolf. Dies. 2.

Town is out numbered and will not win unless the SV is a HH and their target died.

The SV wouldn't want the wolves to win though. Whether HH or fool, they do their own thing.

If we're lucky, we got a HH and the target is dead. We just don't lynch any of the townies and we completely ignore that threat. The wolf can kill the solo and make things easier, but I doubt that happens.

Though I do agree it's a bit sketchy to have kut go suicide. The better alternative is for Alu to check kut and find out if he's a wolf and if Zell got shamaned or not.

 

[Zell 17]

that's not fool proof.

We have 8 people.

One is going to be lynched. 7

One is likely to be wolf food. 6.

One is an SV. 5.

Two are paired. 3

kut, the "red lady" visits a wolf. Dies. 2.

Town is out numbered and will not win unless the SV is a HH and their target died.

No matter what we do we need the solo voter to work with us or we lose. Right now it's 4 villagers = 2 paired baddies + Tommy + Solo voter.

Say we kill Tommy today.

4 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter remain

Wolf kill.

3 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter. We need solo voter to vote with us.

If shortkut visits me and I'm evil:

2 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter. We need solo voter to vote with us.


shortkut visiting does not change the final equation at all.

 

[shortkut]

Could Alu be

No matter what we do we need the solo voter to work with us or we lose. Right now it's 4 villagers = 2 paired baddies + Tommy + Solo voter.

Say we kill Tommy today.

4 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter remain

Wolf kill.

3 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter. We need solo voter to vote with us.

If shortkut visits me and I'm evil:

2 village, 2 paired baddies, 1 voter. We need solo voter to vote with us.


shortkut visiting does not change the final equation at all.

it makes the margins smaller

 

[Zell 17]

I’m not visiting you because if I die from visiting you, that hurts our numbers more. I’d sooner visit Jawneh to confirm he isn’t the last wolf

What the fuck is this logic?

"I'm not visiting you because I don't want to die, so instead I'll visit Jawneh to see if he is a wolf"

???????