Zell Wolf Wolf day 4

[shortkut]

it would be absolutely hilarious if Ants was actually HH and Jawneh was his target

I could live with that outcome

 

[Jawneh]

Alu stated that he saw Tommy as Unknown. Why would an Instigated party member put a target on their leader like that?

Alu is not matched.

I forgot about that part. Regardless of if the aura was correct according to Tommy, Alu's not instigated.

So that then leaves me and Vash. And as bad as reviving Tommy looks like, it's not me.

3 wolves have died: dimmerwit, Local, and Jon.
4-3=1.

I cannot be jawneh’s wolf partner because if I were and he succeeded in getting me killed, he would still die, so it doesn’t save him at all

Jon has been killed by the marksman. Jon was the Wolf Shaman.

Unless you're really the last wolf trying to push sus on me to weed the numbers down. Can't lynch Ants in case he's the fool. If you, Vash and Tommy are the team instigator, you get me lynched, you kill off one more person tonight, and it's 3 v 3 team instigator versus everyone else.

 

[Tommy Boy]

ESPECIALLY since I was almost definitely going to blast Zell before Alu's info.

The info that turned out to be a lie? The lie we are grazing over that literally changed the entire course of this game?

Ohhhh

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[shortkut]

Unless you're really the last wolf trying to push sus on me to weed the numbers down. Can't lynch Ants in case he's the fool. If you, Vash and Tommy are the team instigator, you get me lynched, you kill off one more person tonight, and it's 3 v 3 team instigator versus everyone else.

Wolf shaman impacts seers not what happens when they die. We still had 3 people die as wolves. That means only one is left

 

[Tommy Boy]

I can either have an unknown aura or be the instigator, but not both. But everyone is just okay with me being both? I made a point to ask if I wouldn't be the target yesterday if my aura was good. I was set up, but the narrative is completely locked in. I'm not giving up on this, I need someone to at least try and see what the heck I'm saying.

 

[shortkut]

The info that turned out to be a lie? The lie we are grazing over that literally changed the entire course of this game?

Ohhhh

It may have been wrong information, but it still led to the desired outcome somehow

 

[Tommy Boy]

It may have been wrong information, but it still led to the desired outcome somehow

That literally does not make sense from any gameplay perspective unless you have something to hide.

 

[shortkut]

I can either have an unknown aura or be the instigator, but not both. But everyone is just okay with me being both? I made a point to ask if I wouldn't be the target yesterday if my aura was good. I was set up, but the narrative is completely locked in. I'm not giving up on this, I need someone to at least try and see what the heck I'm saying.

It doesn’t matter if you were set up or if you set us up the bomb. When you died we learned you were the instigator. There is no putting that spilled milk back together

 

[shortkut]

That literally does not make sense from any gameplay perspective unless you have something to hide.

It makes sense that for my win condition I need the solo killer dead, as does every player who is not the solo killer (or instigated in this case)

 

[Tommy Boy]

It doesn’t matter if you were set up or if you set us up the bomb. When you died we learned you were the instigator. There is no putting that spilled milk back together

A Wolf Scribe could change my death report to Instigator, regardless of my aura. It is possible but purposely not being validated for some reason.

It makes sense that for my win condition I need the solo killer dead, as does every player who is not the solo killer (or instigated in this case)

You only think there is an Instigator because of the death report that told you that, which could totally be fake. The instigated couple needs to die to undoubtably prove the existence of an instigator, and to disagree with me is basically saying that nobody would try something like that. Please.

 

[Jawneh]

It makes sense that for my win condition I need the solo killer dead

Freudian wolf slip? Hmm?

 

[Jawneh]

Wolf shaman impacts seers not what happens when they die. We still had 3 people die as wolves. That means only one is left

Also I did mistake shaman for trickster. Too many damn roles.

Let's go back to just having like 3 meaningful roles or something. Just keep the ritualist for me ok.

 

[Tommy Boy]

If Alu hadn't falsely called out my aura to be Unknown, then I wouldn't have been a target. The word "Instigator" would have never come up. People would still be searching for the solo. The narrative was set, and the only reason the plan failed was because I was revived. Now everyone is clinging to the idea of an Instigator when there very well may be a serial killer or something else out there with nobody looking or trying, because now we're focusing on me the second day in a row - without discussion on how we got here. Just straight vibes.

 

[shortkut]

A Wolf Scribe could change my death report to Instigator, regardless of my aura. It is possible but purposely not being validated for some reason

For this to be correct, you would need to actually have an unknown aura, which you’ve been denying vehemently. Wolf scribe doesn’t change auras

You only think there is an Instigator because of the death report that told you that, which could totally be fake. The instigated couple needs to die to undoubtably prove the existence of an instigator, and to disagree with me is basically saying that nobody would try something like that. Please

then let us kill Jawneh and let’s find out

Freudian wolf slip? Hmm?

clever out of context edit that ignores every single player who is not part of the instigator trio

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Wolf scribe doesn’t change auras

Correction: Wolf Scribe doesn't change auras to Unknown. It makes the person "evil".

 

[shortkut]

Correction: Wolf Scribe doesn't change auras to Unknown. It makes the person "evil".

I allows you to change how a death is reported. If I were the scribe they are claiming, I would have used it for vengeance upon @canadaguy for making me a pineapple pizza that one game

 

[Tommy Boy]

For this to be correct, you would need to actually have an unknown aura, which you’ve been denying vehemently. Wolf scribe doesn’t change auras

I know wolf scribe doesn't change auras. It only changes the death report.

So if the wolves chose to scribe me and make me Instigator, I would show up in reads with a good aura still. Alu "makes his read". He "sees Unknown". He tells the town I have an Unknown read and now I'm the target because I wouldn't be with a good aura. Once I'm dead, it will display the intended death report set by the wolves. Instigator created, chaos sown, narrative locked in. Now you're all looking for something that doesn't exist, with the only proof being from the guy that lied.

 

[Jawneh]

then let us kill Jawneh and let’s find out

You can. The game will then end as there's no roles to prevent the instigator trio to block the next lynch and then wolf kill at night.

Though I gotta wonder why you're insisting on pushing death on me. Lynching Tommy would be the safe option. Tomorrow would be a wolf. It's like you really want us to lynch a townie over a known evil.

 

[Ants!]

How convenient is it that I've been after Zell on day 1 and day 2, then the voodoo wolf mutes me?

I'm thinking the only decision here is who to lynch first: Tommy Boy or Zell.

 

[shortkut]

You can. The game will then end as there's no roles to prevent the instigator trio to block the next lynch and then wolf kill at night.

Though I gotta wonder why you're insisting on pushing death on me. Lynching Tommy would be the safe option. Tomorrow would be a wolf. It's like you really want us to lynch a townie over a known evil.

Then let’s lynch Zell instead. Everyone is convinced he’s a wolf. As the last remaining wolf, he would need to be part of the instigated trio. If you’re not, then you get to live

 

[Ants!]

it would be absolutely hilarious if Ants was actually HH and Jawneh was his target

I haven't gone after Jawneh even one time though?

 

[shortkut]

Unskip!

 

[Ants!]

I'm still catching up on the posts so far. Why are there four votes on Jawneh? Isn't he confirmed town?

 

[shortkut]

@Fool's Requiem @Alu @A Vaguely Ambiguous Username i think we should switch to Zell. If he’s a wolf he will take out the instigated townie, then we don’t have to worry about whether it is Jawneh who resurrected the instigator or Vash who knew to target dimmerwolf and Jon

 

[Jawneh]

I'm still catching up on the posts so far. Why are there four votes on Jawneh? Isn't he confirmed town?

kut is spearheading a lynch on me as the instigated townie.

Though when I'm lynched and found not to be instigated, the instigator trio will be against 3 other people after a wolf kill tonight and defacto win.

 

[shortkut]

I'm still catching up on the posts so far. Why are there four votes on Jawneh? Isn't he confirmed town?

We think he is part of the instigator trio and he resurrected Tommy the instigator

Also Vash called himself an instant gator somewhere recently so maybe that was an admission

 

[Jawneh]

Then let’s lynch Zell instead. Everyone is convinced he’s a wolf. As the last remaining wolf, he would need to be part of the instigated trio. If you’re not, then you get to live

But why not Tommy? Anything that happens after is fine for the town. Why are you insisting on anything else?

 

[shortkut]

kut is spearheading a lynch on me as the instigated townie.

Though when I'm lynched and found not to be instigated, the instigator trio will be against 3 other people after a wolf kill tonight and defacto win.

Aktshually, Vash led the charge. I was initially voting Tommy now I’m voting zell

 

[Ants!]

Calling me the SV again. I told you I'm the preacher, damn it! You either believe me or you don't.

Too busy being into bread.

 

[shortkut]

But why not Tommy? Anything that happens after is fine for the town. Why are you insisting on anything else?

Because no one else wants to do that and we need to get rid of the entire trio

 

[shortkut]

@VashTheStampede @Jawneh whomever is not instigated should vote for Zell.

Worst case scenario @Tommy Boy gets to kill, which he deserves if Alu did screw him over

 

[Jawneh]

Honestly, with how much kut is pushing to lynch anyone but Tommy, I'm more certain he's the last instigated wolf. We saw that Jon was a shaman and as long as he chose to shaman Zell last night, that would screw over Alu's check.

But still though. Tommy is the safe lynch. I say kut tomorrow. @Alu you should check kut tonight.

 

[shortkut]

Honestly, with how much kut is pushing to lynch anyone but Tommy, I'm more certain he's the last instigated wolf. We saw that Jon was a shaman and as long as he chose to shaman Zell last night, that would screw over Alu's check.

But still though. Tommy is the safe lynch. I say kut tomorrow. @Alu you should check kut tonight.

Jon would have died before shamaning anyone due to order of operations. I originally wanted Tommy dead first but Vash and Fools swayed me. Letting Tommy live costs us one person. Killing the couplet of the trio ends the wolves and eliminates the traitor to the town.

Right now the traitor is likely you or Vash.

If you are right and you are not guilty, then killing Zell clears you. If you are lying, then it doesn’t matter because either you are lynched or die when he dies

 

[Jawneh]

Jon would have died before shamaning anyone due to order of operations.

Shamaning is used during the DAY. Meaning yesterday during the day to take effect for last night.

Having Tommy die and us losing a person keeps us in the game against an instigator duo. It's way better than a 50/50 to win or lose for the rest between choosing me or Vash as instigated. It will be 4 people versus 2. If you're town, you want that. If you believe Alu and that Zell is the wolf and not shamaned, you'd go with this. Alu will clarify tomorrow about you. If he's killed, we can not lynch anyone and go for a day longer with 3 versus 2 for me to get info from him. If I'm killed too, that would mean you're the last wolf. 3 versus 2. Town wins.

 

[shortkut]

Jon would have died before shamaning anyone due to order of operations. I originally wanted Tommy dead first but Vash and Fools swayed me. Letting Tommy live costs us one person. Killing the couplet of the trio ends the wolves and eliminates the traitor to the town.

Right now the traitor is likely you or Vash.

If you are right and you are not guilty, then killing Zell clears you. If you are lying, then it doesn’t matter because either you are lynched or die when he dies

Before anyone

Shamaning is used during the DAY. Meaning yesterday during the day to take effect for last night.

Having Tommy die and us losing a person keeps us in the game against an instigator duo. It's way better than a 50/50 to win or lose for the rest between choosing me or Vash as instigated. It will be 4 people versus 2. If you're town, you want that. If you believe Alu and that Zell is the wolf and not shamaned, you'd go with this. Alu will clarify tomorrow about you. If he's killed, we can not lynch anyone and go for a day longer with 3 versus 2 for me to get info from him. If I'm killed too, that would mean you're the last wolf. 3 versus 2. Town wins.

right now most people want you dead for reviving the instigator in the first place.

Your only hope of living is if you’re not part of the duo and taking them out instead. Vote Zell and you could possibly live if you’re not part of the duo

 

[Jawneh]

right now most people want you dead for reviving the instigator in the first place.

Your only hope of living is if you’re not part of the duo and taking them out instead. Vote Zell and you could possibly live if you’re not part of the duo

When I'm dead and it's found that I'm NOT part of the trio, the game is over.

If Zell was shamaned, as we have clear info that Jon was a shaman wolf, he might not be a wolf.

Either of those two options aren't clear cut choices. Lynching Tommy is. We don't lose. We get more time and more checks. We remove the uncertainty. The only reason you wouldn't want to do this is if you're the last wolf. Plain and simple.

 

[shortkut]

When I'm dead and it's found that I'm NOT part of the trio, the game is over.

If Zell was shamaned, as we have clear info that Jon was a shaman wolf, he might not be a wolf.

Either of those two options aren't clear cut choices. Lynching Tommy is. We don't lose. We get more time and more checks. We remove the uncertainty. The only reason you wouldn't want to do this is if you're the last wolf. Plain and simple.

Then vote Zell and save yourself

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Calling it.

Headhunter is going to win.

 

[Zell 17]

Why has nobody even bothered to ask shortkut who he “visited” last night? Also Alu has provided Aura Seer info for two out of a total of four possible nights, and one of them was wrong? And we’re just totally cool with this.

Wild game

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

So yeah I was just kidding when I switched over to Jawneh last night. I honestly have little clue who the instigated townie is, but I know Zell is the last wolf and Tommy is the instigator.

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

Why has nobody even bothered to ask shortkut who he “visited” last night? Also Alu has provided Aura Seer info for two out of a total of four possible nights, and one of them was wrong? And we’re just totally cool with this.

Wild game

I died one time late in game by visiting the wrong person and you got on my case later saying that the numbers were more important than the info. We have an instigated couple and the instigator back to life at this point, with one of the couple getting night kills and what seems like the only person who could report back on who was visited seemingly part of the instigator trio.

Is visiting someone and potentially dying the right move here?

 

[shortkut]

Why has nobody even bothered to ask shortkut who he “visited” last night? Also Alu has provided Aura Seer info for two out of a total of four possible nights, and one of them was wrong? And we’re just totally cool with this.

Wild game

I’m revisiting old favorites to stay alive

 

[A Vaguely Ambiguous Username]

I'd say go for Tommy right now as the known commodity but it seems like the people doing that are the most likely instigated pair who will likely shift their votes right at the end. So I'm back to Zell until the other town folk figure out who they want.

 

[Zell 17]

Is visiting someone and potentially dying the right move here?

No I don’t think it is.

Anyone want to hazard a guess why there was no wolf kill? shortkut were you attacked last night while visiting?

The only way the Instigator team can win is if we lynch someone who is NOT on the instigator team, so naturally we aren’t voting Tommy.

 

[Zell 17]

@VashTheStampede @Fool's Requiem @Jawneh

Talking to you guys as really the only confirmed villagers. Let’s not forget that there is also a solo voting role out there, that can’t be Cupid and almost certainly isn’t the werewolf fan. So it’s a headhunter/Fool. And if it IS a headhunter, then lynching the villager half of the instigator couple is dangerous. Why not just take Tommy?

 

[Zell 17]

The only thing I’m sure of is that Fools is a villager and not instigated. That’s literally it.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I would prefer not to play into the hands of an unknown like shortkut...

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Voting for shortkut.