Zell Wolf Wolf day 2

[shortkut]

Huh? I was literally counting through role claims. How does that not make sense.

The rest that's going on is trying to get kut to realize he's barking up the wrong tree and missing obvious statement is not a good look.

Write shorter posts and maybe I won’t miss things

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Write shorter posts and maybe I won’t miss things

Be less sus yourself and maybe you'll get a gun in the future.

 

[Quagmire]

Just because we both claimed the same thing? There are often duplicate roles, that's hardly a red flag.

We already had two duplicate aura seers

Duplicate roles can happen but in always suspicious of them because it's not every game

 

[Kat]

Huh? I was literally counting through role claims. How does that not make sense.

The rest that's going on is trying to get kut to realize he's barking up the wrong tree and missing obvious statement is not a good look.

Why give a gun to CG and not quagmire?

Why agree with kut's claim that one of Ben or me is evil based on basically nothing?

Why suggest we kill kut to confirm you, then backpedal and say we shouldn't actually do it, but the offer to do it means you must be legit?

IDK man it feels weird.

 

[shortkut]

Be less sus yourself and maybe you'll get a gun in the future.

I’m the loudmouth so I’m not shutting up. I had more posts yesterday than in most other recent games combined

 

[Quagmire]

I do 100% agree with the theory that alu not giving a gun to me is suss

Now we all have had brain farts in this game so it is possible that he didn't think I could have a gun but doesn't make it any less suspicious just because we've all made goofs

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Why give a gun to CG and not quagmire?

Why agree with kut's claim that one of Ben or me is evil based on basically nothing?

Why suggest we kill kut to confirm you, then backpedal and say we shouldn't actually do it, but the offer to do it means you must be legit?

IDK man it feels weird.

Quagmire is a confirmed townie who already has a bullet today and I assumed he'd be killed last night or tonight and that it would have been wasted.

My post you replied to is literally my own logic about why I think one of you two is likely lying. It's nothing about what he said.

I'm trying to get kut off my case and if he thinks I'm serious about letting him loudmouth me it might be enough.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

CG was literally the next best option, because yes he claimed the body swap and no one else did.

And also I truly believe games are better when he's armed.

 

[Local Hero]

Who did you pick last night?

Quagmire. Cautious of berserker situation

 

[shortkut]

Quagmire is a confirmed townie who already has a bullet today and I assumed he'd be killed last night or tonight and that it would have been wasted.

We had two claims of doctor, you’d think one of them would be legit and protect him

 

[Quagmire]

Quagmire is a confirmed townie who already has a bullet today and I assumed he'd be killed last night or tonight and that it would have been wasted.

This does make some sense but what made you trust someone who is unconfirmed?

 

[Kat]

My post you replied to is literally my own logic about why I think one of you two is likely lying. It's nothing about what he said.

What logic? That we both claimed regular roles and wolves are probably claiming regular roles? So why me and Ben over literally anybody besides quagmire and maybe CG (I do agree he's likely the last strong)?

 

[finlandguy]

Quagmire. Cautious of berserker situation

If there was a berserker, it would've 169% gotten used last night to off Quagmire. Classic nearly perfect double kill possibility.

 

[shortkut]

I'm trying to get kut off my case and if he thinks I'm serious about letting him loudmouth me it might be enough

I still can’t shake your suggestion to “clear your name” as being suspicious. I showed the math doesn’t add up, and that is without factoring in shadow/voodoo/alpha/guardian wolf roles. I honestly feel if @Quagmire shoots me, it will lead to the end of the town

 

[A Maybe Baker]

We had two claims of doctor, you’d think one of them would be legit and protect him

I don't know if I believe either of them at the moment. Also two nights in a row for that since quagmire needs to shoot his own second bullet before using mine.

I didn't think it was the best choice. Try to ask some of the passengers what's up with them as opposed to the guy who has given you his logic behind the choices he's made.

 

[Quagmire]

We had two claims of doctor, you’d think one of them would be legit and protect him

Do gotta worry about bezerker

 

[A Maybe Baker]

What logic? That we both claimed regular roles and wolves are probably claiming regular roles? So why me and Ben over literally anybody besides quagmire and maybe CG (I do agree he's likely the last strong)?

Please reread my post. It's a numbers thing. Why are you being so protective about BOTH you and Ben here? I said it's likely, not guaranteed.

 

[Kat]

If there was a berserker, it would've 169% gotten used last night to off Quagmire. Classic nearly perfect double kill possibility.

Yeah I think we're safe from berserker now but I can see why Local would wonder otherwise last night. I did protect quagmire but I'll admit I gave it a second thought because I was worried about it too.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I still can’t shake your suggestion to “clear your name” as being suspicious. I showed the math doesn’t add up, and that is without factoring in shadow/voodoo/alpha/guardian wolf roles. I honestly feel if @Quagmire shoots me, it will lead to the end of the town

You're either a wolf or you're running up the wrong tree here.

 

[Kat]

Please reread my post. It's a numbers thing. Why are you being so protective about BOTH you and Ben here? I said it's likely, not guaranteed.

I'm not being protective, I'm saying the logic makes no sense. Ben may be evil and my claim is admittedly not great, but it's not any worse than anybody else's. It feels weird to fixate on the people who say they can protect.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Yeah I think we're safe from berserker now but I can see why Local would wonder otherwise last night. I did protect quagmire but I'll admit I gave it a second thought because I was worried about it too.

If I gave my gun to quagmire and there was a berserker and you're a doctor then we'd be down an extra townie and my gun would have been wasted.

There are lots of things that can go wrong when there are so few confirmed townies.

 

[Quagmire]

Has @Benzine confirmed that there was indeed a body swap or is that just what we assume?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I'm not being protective, I'm saying the logic makes no sense. Ben may be evil and my claim is admittedly not great, but it's not any worse than anybody else's. It feels weird to fixate on the people who say they can protect.

I'm not arguing to lynch either of you right now though.

 

[shortkut]

It's a numbers thing

Remember the game when I ruined the couples’ chance of winning by correcting the numbers? You’re using faulty numbers here as well

 

[Ben]

My protection was on Quagmire last night, so I guess if Kat is a legit doctor too we need to do better about not doubling up. Seemed too obvious a choice for him to be targeted though.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Like I'm not sure how I'm fixated on you when I said it's likely one of you is lying in a post, and then straight up asked multiple people to confirm their role claims because i want to know if I should believe them or focus on them

 

[shortkut]

You're either a wolf or you're running up the wrong tree here.

Assuming you’re telling the truth, out of people who can post, you are the only one who knows. To the rest of us, it’s suspicious. I haven’t made a poll to vote for you, because I think we can wait for CG tomorrow to call you a liar or not

 

[Kat]

I do believe one of Kat and Ben (at least) is lying.

If neither of them is lying then it would seem (for me, and CG who is probably upset that he can't shoot right now):

2 strong roles left
3 weak roles confirmed (again this is believing kat and Ben, the third is me)
1 town remaining

That would make CG the last strong role and everyone else a wolf.


So yeah. I think one of Kat and Ben is lying.

Okay here is your post again.

If you and me and Ben are all being honest, and CG is strong, then only one other person can be town, and everybody else must be a wolf. Sure, fair enough.

But swap out any of our three names with any other person who isn't quagmire or CG and the numbers don't change. So why does this suggest any two particular people are evil over anybody else?

@Benzine please god post a poll, idk who is alive otherwise

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Remember the game when I ruined the couples’ chance of winning by correcting the numbers? You’re using faulty numbers here as well

There are 6 town alive. 2 are strong. That leaves 4 roles.

How are my numbers faulty when the whole post was using an assumption that both Ben and Kat are telling the truth. You can just say they're faulty and not say how they're faulty.

 

[shortkut]

who is alive otherwise

I’ll make a poll if this can be answered for me

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Okay here is your post again.

If you and me and Ben are all being honest, and CG is strong, then only one other person can be town, and everybody else must be a wolf. Sure, fair enough.

But swap out any of our three names with any other person who isn't quagmire or CG and the numbers don't change. So why does this suggest any two particular people are evil over anybody else?

@Benzine please god post a poll, idk who is alive otherwise

Again. I'm not saying it's guaranteed. I'm just saying it's likely.

Before local posted his role I would have suggested to shoot him. I don't know who is the best target at the moment

 

[shortkut]

There are 6 town alive. 2 are strong. That leaves 4 roles.

How are my numbers faulty when the whole post was using an assumption that both Ben and Kat are telling the truth. You can just say they're faulty and not say how they're faulty.

You’re not factoring in the voodoo wolf can stop someone from voting

You’re not considering an alpha wolf needs to be killed twice

You’re not taking into account a guardian wolf protecting a wolf lynch

You’re ignoring a shadow wolf manipulating the vote

 

[Ben]

I checked the morgue.

• Alu
• Ants
• Ben
• canadaguy
• Christina
• Dead body
• dimmerwit
• Fools
• Jawneh
• Kat
• Local Hero
• Quagmire
• shortkut
• TD
• VashTheStampede
• Zell 17

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Also yes. There are definitely people lying and subbing in anyone's name could contain the liars. I'm not sure why that's a point of contention when I gave literally 0 guarantees.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

You’re not factoring in the voodoo wolf can stop someone from voting

You’re not considering an alpha wolf needs to be killed twice

You’re not taking into account a guardian wolf protecting a wolf lynch

You’re ignoring a shadow wolf manipulating the vote

I'm literally counting roles what are you talking about. It's not about math to victory it's about roles remaining.

 

[Local Hero]

I made a poll.

 

[shortkut]

I made a poll.

That’s why it said I couldn’t

 

[shortkut]

I'm literally counting roles what are you talking about. It's not about math to victory it's about roles remaining.

My bad. I assumed you were suggesting it as a path to victory for the town if you get cleared. It clearly doesn’t, so it made me super suspicious of you.

I don’t know if you are clarifying something I missed, or exercising your hamstrings by backpedaling, but I am okay just leaving one vote on you for now

 

[Kat]

Again. I'm not saying it's guaranteed. I'm just saying it's likely.

I never said you said it was guaranteed. I asked how do the numbers in your post suggest any person claiming a regular role is more likely to be evil than any other person also claiming a regular role. Yes, 3/7 of the non strong people are evil, so anybody is "likely" to be evil, but that doesn't seem to be what you meant.

But anyway, just in case we're a bunch of townies fighting amongst ourselves, let's put some pressure on the quieter people. I'll protect CG tonight so we can learn the truth about your claim tomorrow.

 

[Quagmire]

So CG is likely townie since no one seems to also claim they are dead body

Not bad idea for Alu to give him gun if he worried id be killed, but also equally suspicious choice if Alu is a wolf and they voodooed him to delay things , he's got a plausible deny ability....

Both are legit strategies.... Ugh

 

[dimmerwit]

Sorry, was distracted so had to re-read the thread. I'm the Judge.

 

[shortkut]

So CG is likely townie since no one seems to also claim they are dead body

Not bad idea for Alu to give him gun if he worried id be killed, but also equally suspicious choice if Alu is a wolf and they voodooed him to delay things , he's got a plausible deny ability....

Both are legit strategies.... Ugh

It’s either bad luck that the one person he gave a gun to is muted and Alu cannot prove himself

Or

There is no gun and this is his role claim because he knew cg was being muted

 

[Kat]

So CG is likely townie since no one seems to also claim they are dead body

Not bad idea for Alu to give him gun if he worried id be killed, but also equally suspicious choice if Alu is a wolf and they voodooed him to delay things , he's got a plausible deny ability....

Both are legit strategies.... Ugh

Yeah, and it makes sense the wolves would silence CG. It's not like he was subtle and nobody else has claimed the last strong role.

I'm not convinced either way by Alu but we can find out tomorrow.

@finlandguy what did you say your role was?

 

[finlandguy]

@finlandguy what did you say your role was?

I'm in the middle of something atm. I'll get back in a bit and give you a haiku instead of a poem.

 

[Kat]

@Quagmire I think nobody would blame you for shooting Jawneh, regardless of what his role turns out to be.

 

[Quagmire]

Yeah, and it makes sense the wolves would silence CG. It's not like he was subtle and nobody else has claimed the last strong role.

I'm not convinced either way by Alu but we can find out tomorrow.

@finlandguy what did you say your role was?

Seems like they would silence me unless they are going for a long game and Alu is a wolf and this is their play

Makes zero sense to not silence me

 

[shortkut]

@Quagmire needs to shoot Occam’s razor-bullets

 

[Kat]

Seems like they would silence me unless they are going for a long game and Alu is a wolf and this is their play

Makes zero sense to not silence me

Nah, you're as likely to shoot a townie as a wolf at this point. I'd leave you alive too.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I need to take a break until tomorrow unless eating makes my head better. Didn't do breakfast this morning stupidly.

 

[Quagmire]

Sorry, was distracted so had to re-read the thread. I'm the Judge.