Zell Wolf Wolf 21 - Day 4

[shortkut]

@Jawneh I think even if you have two wolves doused, it doesn't guarantee a town win. Even if the wolves don't/can't kill, that leaves two townies and two evils. The last wolf can't kill you without town help, so it puts you in a good position. It only results in a town win if Local is revived. But you definitely won't win if you don't burn, because I'll personally ensure it.

What if he has two townies targeted, because you’re his only threat. If you’re taken out, he can win

 

[Kat]

What if he has two townies targeted, because you’re his only threat. If you’re taken out, he can win

Then you (or we, if he doesn't burn) can lynch him tomorrow.

 

[Jawneh]

@Kat I think really the only way around all of this is for you to throw your rock at one of the wolves, don't say who, and they report back with who got rocked. From there, there are a couple potential king maker situations where we can then choose who wins without worrying about doused, rocks, or guardians. Local will also be the wild card in those situations. I can't in good faith say who I got doused without the rock being thrown.

If not, then we just all do whatever and see what happens

 

[Kat]

@Kat I think really the only way around all of this is for you to throw your rock at one of the wolves, don't say who, and they report back with who got rocked. From there, there are a couple potential king maker situations where we can then choose who wins without worrying about doused, rocks, or guardians. Local will also be the wild card in those situations. I can't in good faith say who I got doused without the rock being thrown.

If not, then we just all do whatever and see what happens

I'm not asking you to say who you have doused. It's not like I can believe you anyway.

Why wouldn't a guardian be in play?

I'm fine throwing a rock at a wolf, I'm just trying to determine if the above statement should influence which wolf I throw it at.

 

[shortkut]

I'm not asking you to say who you have doused. It's not like I can believe you anyway.

Why wouldn't a guardian be in play?

I'm fine throwing a rock at a wolf, I'm just trying to determine if the above statement should influence which wolf I throw it at.

If a guardian was in play, I would have saved dimmerwit or not been concerned with getting the vote tied so I wouldn’t have to use my power

 

[Jawneh]

Why wouldn't a guardian be in play?

Because even if we get a 1-up on the wolves with me, they can block the lynch and bring it back to even the following night.

 

[Kat]

If a guardian was in play, I would have saved dimmerwit or not been concerned with getting the vote tied so I wouldn’t have to use my power

Hmm. Then what are you?

 

[Kat]

Because even if we get a 1-up on the wolves with me, they can block the lynch and bring it back to even the following night.

Oh I see, you're saying it leaves a way around having to lynch.

 

[Kat]

I wish Tommy were here to help me think this through.

 

[shortkut]

Hmm. Then what are you?

 

[Jawneh]

Oh I see, you're saying it leaves a way around having to lynch.

He did say yesterday before I spiced things up that he was going to use his power then, as he was about to get lynched. So he's a guardian. Or Vash is the guardian. That's possible too, but I don't want to consider that lol.

 

[shortkut]

I wish Tommy were here to help me think this through.

What if he were… muted?

 

[Kat]

Oh no, Tommy has seen the thread.

 

[Kat]

Well RIP Jawneh. Guess you should've lynched a wolf yesterday.

GG wolves.

 

[shortkut]

Skip

 

[Kat]

Skip

 

[shortkut]

Skip

I recommend you also vote jawneh so that we can at least show a unanimous stand against arsonists. Let this be our “we are the world” moment in memory of Quincy Jones

 

[Kat]

Nah, I'm good.

 

[shortkut]

Nah, I'm good.

Your loss. I will tell you one honest thing: we never used a seer in Jawneh. We wanted Ben to go down as a wolf, then someone burned our targets, so all this time you’ve been assuming we have a wolf seer

 

[Kat]

Your loss. I will tell you one honest thing: we never used a seer in Jawneh. We wanted Ben to go down as a wolf, then someone burned our targets, so all this time you’ve been assuming we have a wolf seer

Oh, I wondered why people were assuming seer. I just assumed you either attacked him or figured it out since most roles were known.

 

[shortkut]

Oh, I wondered why people were assuming seer. I just assumed you either attacked him or figured it out since most roles were known.

It was vibes. People assumed seer because the wolves need the town to help take out the arsonist. So all you know is that there is an alpha wolf and two unknown wolves

 

[Kat]

Well, a voodoo wolf and one unknown wolf, since I assume Tommy would've posted by now if he could.

 

[Kat]

Well done keeping your powers under wraps for so long.

 

[shortkut]

Well done keeping your powers under wraps for so long.

 

[Jawneh]

@Kat the first post says the village has for sure 1 of either aura seer or spirit seer. Then right after it says the wolves for sure have 1 wolf seer.

Lol.

 

[VashTheStampede]

skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip this whole time there has been a word count below the post box??? skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip

 

[shortkut]

@Kat the first post says the village has for sure 1 of either aura seer or spirit seer. Then right after it says the wolves for sure have 1 wolf seer.

Lol.

We’ve already determined the words in the rules don’t mean anything

 

[Kat]

@Kat the first post says the village has for sure 1 of either aura seer or spirit seer. Then right after it says the wolves for sure have 1 wolf seer.

Lol.

Oh yeah, good call. Why is kut still messing with me when they've won?!

 

[shortkut]

Oh yeah, good call. Why is kut still messing with me when they've won?!

Because @Zell 17 is making us play out the game

 

[shortkut]

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Kat I was not getting notifications and then when I clicked into the thread, our 52 cup water dispenser in the fridge decided to have the spout break off!

Sorry to leave you hangin here, I am not muted!!!

 

[shortkut]

@Kat I was not getting notifications and then when I clicked into the thread, our 52 cup water dispenser in the fridge decided to have the spout break off!

Sorry to leave you hangin here, I am not muted!!!

 

[Kat]

Ahhh what lmao

 

[shortkut]

 

[Kat]

Okay just don't skip and everything is fine

 

[shortkut]

Okay just don't skip and everything is fine

Would that make a difference?

 

[Kat]

@Tommy Boy what do you think of the plan to make Jawneh burn tonight, and if he doesn't, I rock him tomorrow and/or we lynch him? I feel like forcing him to burn and hoping it takes out two wolves and maybe we get a townie back tomorrow is our only hope.

It'd be ideal if we could also stop the wolves from attacking you tonight, but I don't think we have any leverage on them.

 

[shortkut]

@Tommy Boy what do you think of the plan to make Jawneh burn tonight, and if he doesn't, I rock him tomorrow and/or we lynch him? I feel like forcing him to burn and hoping it takes out two wolves and maybe we get a townie back tomorrow is our only hope.

It'd be ideal if we could also stop the wolves from attacking you tonight, but I don't think we have any leverage on them.

It is most likely that he targets a wolf and a townie to avoid him being completely outnumbered and lynched

 

[Tommy Boy]

@Tommy Boy what do you think of the plan to make Jawneh burn tonight, and if he doesn't, I rock him tomorrow and/or we lynch him? I feel like forcing him to burn and hoping it takes out two wolves and maybe we get a townie back tomorrow is our only hope.

It'd be ideal if we could also stop the wolves from attacking you tonight, but I don't think we have any leverage on them.

OK so I can keep protecting you until I'm dead, there's no limit on how much I can protect like some other role. We can keep crossing our fingers for a revive to go through, but there's a good chance it's on Vash. Or, thinking back to other villages I've lived in, Christina would specifically not have her revive on Vash. There's a solid chance it can go either way. 50/50 some might even say.

I don't know if we have any say in how this game will actually go, we might just be prolonging it no matter what we do. I guess it depends on what da dogs doin. Assuming you didn't throw your rock yet today?

 

[Jawneh]

We’ve already determined the words in the rules don’t mean anything

Oh yeah?

The Town and Wolves burn to crisp.

Jawneh is the arsonist.

Jawneh wins.

 

[Kat]

It is most likely that he targets a wolf and a townie to avoid him being completely outnumbered and lynched

Maybe. What's my path to winning if I do something else?

 

[shortkut]

Maybe. What's my path to winning if I do something else?

Does that even provide you path to winning?

 

[Kat]

Does that even provide you path to winning?

It's admittedly unlikely but it's possible if everything works out.

 

[shortkut]

It's admittedly unlikely but it's possible if everything works out.

If he didn’t target local, then if he burns tomorrow it is likely 2 wolves, 1 townie (injured Tommy), and Jawneh

Then no lynch again and Jawneh can only douse

Wolves kill overnight or Tommy dies at end of day phase.

2 wolves and Jawneh for the next day phase, wolves win

 

[Quagmire]

Skip

Can I also skip the next 4 years?

 

[Kat]

If he didn’t target local, then if he burns tomorrow it is likely 2 wolves, 1 townie (injured Tommy), and Jawneh

Then no lynch again and Jawneh can only douse

Wolves kill overnight or Tommy dies at end of day phase.

2 wolves and Jawneh for the next day phase, wolves win

If Local is revived then we can lynch whatever wolf is left. Whether he will be, I have no idea, but it's at least a chance.

 

[shortkut]

If Local is revived then we can lynch whatever wolf is left. Whether he will be, I have no idea, but it's at least a chance.

If Christina used it on someone. What if she used it on Tommy, since he was claiming a defender role?

 

[Kat]

If Christina used it on someone. What if she used it on Tommy, since he was claiming a defender role?

Then we have no chance to win and doing this isn't any worse than doing anything else.

Unless you're suggesting an alternative which does give me a chance?

 

[VashTheStampede]

If Christina used it on someone.

 

[Jawneh]

Town can hypotethically win if I douse again tonight, and Local comes back. Tommy protects and I can't douse Local. Kat and Local would be left alone after I torch the wolves.