Zell Wolf Zell Wolf 20 - Day 4

[Smacktard]

we are enemies leave me alone

Your enemy is my enemy, therefore we are allies.

It's helped us get in the habit of tidying up every night, too, so the robot can vacuum without getting stuck

I have to issues with my robovac:
1. Its capacity is very small, so if we ran it all the time we would have to clean it all the time.
2. It gets stuck on mats, so every time we run it, we have to move the decorative mats that we have in front of the kitchen, bathroom, TV set. So I usually only run it once a week or so.

But then, I'm not American and I don't wear shoes inside the house

 

[Local Hero]

We also don't wear shoes inside the house. We also don't have pets, so it's not a heavy load.

I have a Eufy if that matters.

 

[Benzine]

Is wearing shoes in the house normal?

 

[Benzine]

what the fuck

 

[Benzine]

i don’t even wear shoes outside of the house. Just when I’m playing sport.

 

[Smacktard]

Is wearing shoes in the house normal?

For some reason some Americans wear shoes in the house, which really fucks my brain up. I don't understand it.

Do they put their shoes up on the furniture when they're laying on the couch and wanna slouch?

Do they take their shoes off beside the bed, then wake up in the morning and get right back into them?

Do they wear their shoes to the shower? Or do they carry their shoes to the shower? Do they step back into their shoes right after showering?

So many questions.

 

[Jawneh]

Shoes on during sex. It's a must.

As a confirmed American, I've seen the literature and they explicitly said these things.


Oh and I'm still voting Local for the sake of finishing the job lol. I had uhhh... plans, but they got hecked up during these shadows so I got complaining to do before we skip.

 

[Jawneh]

Okay. Some things to note first.

If the solo is a serial killer it's GG if they live. 5 kills in the bank tonight, everyone else dies.

If the solo is an arsonist, we got anywhere between 1 to 7 douses currently, depending on if any doused folks were also killed. Two people have to live to oppose and lynch the solo in that case, so even the wolves can't do a kill to cling onto hope.

Wolves very likely have an alpha wolf laying around. That's where my chips are.

Guardian is possible, but why not use it with dimmer?

And avenger would've been used instead of dimmer again. Sure, possible, but unlikely. Avenger is only useful if it's aimed at the solo, but that means a wolf needs to also die and in that case wolves also would lose.

Towns options are to choose an evil or ask for lambchop.

 

[Jawneh]

Also Vash...

 

[Benzine]

there's no need for the stories now jawneh you've either got the alpha or not

 

[Benzine]

i want to hear what you've got to say about the dead thread

 

[Jawneh]

Or Local is. Or Kelly is.

Other than the wolves and solo none knows for sure.

 

[Jawneh]

i want to hear what you've got to say about the dead thread

Holy crap! There's a lot! This nonsense about faking a spirit seer really got me off my rocker, being the ritualist and all. You're welcome Alu.

I got to do some work and then I'll be back with what I can remember.

 

[Jawneh]

Firstly, the dead body is superbly peeved by Ben comparing anyone against them. Not because Ben wasn't accidentally right, but on principal that you should let the dead be dead. They had a hard life being dead and finally got rest only to be brought back up and compared to others. Cmon now.

Jon did a good job creating love, but is pissed off at Quagmire for reviving Alu. That really fucked up Alus head and he no longer loves Quagmire. The fake ass ritualist assures that it was a mutually agreed upon deal, but they also fucked up Jon perfect love streak with an underhanded off the books deal.

That also covered the fake ass ritualist. And Alu is alive now so you can ask him for more.

I did see Vash on the way out. I would've thought a pacifist like him would go to heaven, but to my surprise he was on the line to hell with the rest of us. Sign me up surprised!

Tommy was happy about his trap placement. At least until it became more obvious that his trap was placed on an evil person after all. Sorry Tommy!

On that note, kut is lamenting on murdering Tommy and karma immediately taking the wolves reigns and murdering kut back. Though he's not showing it openly. Just shrugged and said my bad, but reading between the lines he's a bit upset for not doing Local instead.

And lastly dimmerwit. He's still saying he's a preacher.

 

[Jawneh]

Okay, I got Quagmire and dimmerwit confused there with the preacher comment. Ignore that lol. It's too early for me to compute things that actually make sense.

 

[Smacktard]

Wolves very likely have an alpha wolf laying around. That's where my chips are.

The wolves do not have an alpha left -- not that anyone would believe me.

The SK should've listened to my honesty rather than be swayed by the town's lies. Maybe then they wouldn't be in this predicament.

 

[Jawneh]

Okay, back to the game again.

I'm not outing myself being a wolf or the solo. The only thing I would like is to live longer thanks to my great run as the spirit seer. Personally, I'd love to see Local go, but I can also vote for Kelly.

.... or any of the town? No? I had to ask.

There's also the question, which evil does the town want to win?

 

[Jawneh]

The wolves do not have an alpha left -- not that anyone would believe me.

The SK should've listened to my honesty rather than be swayed by the town's lies. Maybe then they wouldn't be in this predicament.

I don't believe anything you're saying, so yes! You're right about that!

 

[Jawneh]

Did I remember to say I was nightmared last night? There's that, although that doesn't change anything for today.

 

[Smacktard]

This is exhausting. Let's play a game.

@Local Hero
@Jawneh

If you were the SK, which SK would you be, and why:
the arsonist
the serial killer

Also, where would you take me on a date as this character and what would we do?

 

[Jawneh]

I'm the ritualist though?

On the off chance I'm not, I'd be very concerned about an alpha wolf who can live through fire by shedding it's fur. It's a comical sight! But at least their life is retained.



While typing that, I made a realization. I don't know how why I'm being sly with my words about Local. I've already been saying he's a wolf lol. The whole coasting as a bodyguard at first and then slowly never protecting anyone?

I guess only to sow more confusion lol.


Errrr... some people came talk to me while I was typing this and lost my thoughts.

Also, where would you take me on a date as this character and what would we do?

I'm one who gets all happy and giddy when people get me food, so I'd look up a nice place to eat nearby, maybe a BBQ unless you got other preferences. Later we can bring you over to a groomer and get that coat of yours real trim and shiny as a treat.

 

[Smacktard]

WOWWWWW okay Local Hero, you're going to have to do better than that if you want to win my furry heart.

One more thing though:

Towns options are to choose an evil or ask for lambchop.

Can you explain the logistics of this? I don't get how this would work.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

damn haha that's crazy it's almost like everything we said WOULD happen DID happen and yet the SK still let themselves be deceived by the town

I wonder if they will again let themselves be deceived by the town

I mean you still are posting as if there's a second night kill around with the warden so maybe you should be ignored?

 

[Aluse Cannon]

If there's an alpha, the town loses, guaranteed. If not and there's a seer role as we're expecting (probably blind), then the town lynches in the right order and it's a victory. The wrong order and it's not.

 

[Smacktard]

I mean you still are posting as if there's a second night kill around with the warden so maybe you should be ignored?

I legitimately thought the warden had two knives per game. Brb changing some calculus

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I legitimately thought the warden had two knives per game. Brb changing some calculus

You also couldn't math yesterday so hopefully your calculus works this time.

 

[Smacktard]

You also couldn't math yesterday so hopefully your calculus works this time.

A good rule when working with me is to assume incompetence rather than malice.

 

[Jawneh]

Can you explain the logistics of this? I don't get how this would work.

Kind of easy to start with.

If the solo dies, the wolves kill Benzine at night and win.

If anyone else dies, the solo will light the rest on fire and win. They only need 4 as in 1-1 lynches will be a tie so the solo always wins.

After internalizing that, town can ask for lambchop in hopes of not "losing" but choosing to have sexy time with the evil folks.

 

[Jawneh]

The outlier being Local who I think is the alpha. He needs two hits, including from the solo, so if anyone else lives, the solo gets voted out and loses.

 

[Smacktard]

Okay so I'm traveling today and will have little time for wolf. I know the town is flakey and the vote could shift against us at any time, so I'm just going to put all my cards on the table:

The town will win if the SK and the wolves don't tie the vote.

I propose that we unite to vote on Alu. His way with words deceitfully tricked the SK into voting against his own interests.

If we tie the vote, both the wolves and the SK still have a shot at winning. Nothing is guaranteed, but the game WILL come down to a kingmaker situation like I said before.

If the SK and the wolves tie the vote, the SK and a wolf will be jailed.

I will not be put in the jail because the jailer can't risk sticking two wolves in there together, and everyone knows I'm a wolf.

There are no tow night kills left, so the next day, the town will look like this:

Tie (Kingmaker)

2W + 2T + 1 SK The town votes to determine the winner.

So, the SK still has a 50% chance of winning. Better than 0% chance, don't you think?

If the SK and wolves don't vote together to tie, this is what happens:

Scenario 1 (Town wins)	Scenario 2 (Town wins)
SK killed Wolf jailed with Alu/Kat and killed 1W + 2T Town lynches wolf and wins	Wolf killed 1W + 1SK + 3T Wolf and SK are jailed together; neither is killed 1W + 1SK + 3T (still) Town votes out SK/wolf Remaining SK/wolf is jailed together with Alu/Kat and killed

Ball is in your court, SK.

Guaranteed loss, or let the town choose the victor?

 

[Smacktard]

And now I move my vote on to Kat. Peace y'all.

 

[Smacktard]

@Jawneh
@Local Hero
Btw tagging these two for the above two posts.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Problem with Kelly's outlines to a town victory is that he has one with a second warden kill and another with the warden locking someone up two nights in a row.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Neither are a thing that can happen, as an FYI.

 

[Local Hero]

Okay so I'm traveling today and will have little time for wolf. I know the town is flakey and the vote could shift against us at any time, so I'm just going to put all my cards on the table:

The town will win if the SK and the wolves don't tie the vote.

I propose that we unite to vote on Alu. His way with words deceitfully tricked the SK into voting against his own interests.

If we tie the vote, both the wolves and the SK still have a shot at winning. Nothing is guaranteed, but the game WILL come down to a kingmaker situation like I said before.

If the SK and the wolves tie the vote, the SK and a wolf will be jailed.

I will not be put in the jail because the jailer can't risk sticking two wolves in there together, and everyone knows I'm a wolf.

There are no tow night kills left, so the next day, the town will look like this:

Tie (Kingmaker)

2W + 2T + 1 SK The town votes to determine the winner.

So, the SK still has a 50% chance of winning. Better than 0% chance, don't you think?

If the SK and wolves don't vote together to tie, this is what happens:

Scenario 1 (Town wins)	Scenario 2 (Town wins)
SK killed Wolf jailed with Alu/Kat and killed 1W + 2T Town lynches wolf and wins	Wolf killed 1W + 1SK + 3T Wolf and SK are jailed together; neither is killed 1W + 1SK + 3T (still) Town votes out SK/wolf Remaining SK/wolf is jailed together with Alu/Kat and killed

Ball is in your court, SK.

Guaranteed loss, or let the town choose the victor?

 

[Smacktard]

Problem with Kelly's outlines to a town victory is that he has one with a second warden kill and another with the warden locking someone up two nights in a row.

Oh sorry, I forgot to edit that part. I had 3 win scenarios before but you pointed out that the warden only has one kill. I edited those, but I forgot the town condition.

Regardless, you're intentionally ignoring the most important part once again to deceive the SK.

If a wolf is killed, warden jails the SK and wolf every night, and the town outvotes them both every day.

Regardless of my mistake, it remains true:
If SK doesn't vote with wolves today, the town is guaranteed a win.

 

[Local Hero]

If a wolf is killed, warden jails the SK and wolf every night, and the town outvotes them both every day.

Can't jail same person twice

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Okay so I'm traveling today and will have little time for wolf. I know the town is flakey and the vote could shift against us at any time, so I'm just going to put all my cards on the table:

The town will win if the SK and the wolves don't tie the vote.

Okay, I needed to hop on a laptop to type this out:

If the SK is lynched today the wolves win no matter what.

I propose that we unite to vote on Alu. His way with words deceitfully tricked the SK into voting against his own interests.

I didn't deceive anyone. If the wolves knew what they were doing they would have silently (not come blaring out into public) lynched the SK without drawing any attention to things. That would have allowed them to win then and there. That the wolves didn't see this before is on them, not me.

Also @Kat was the first to call it out, not me.

If we tie the vote, both the wolves and the SK still have a shot at winning. Nothing is guaranteed, but the game WILL come down to a kingmaker situation like I said before.

If the SK and the wolves tie the vote, the SK and a wolf will be jailed.

I will not be put in the jail because the jailer can't risk sticking two wolves in there together, and everyone knows I'm a wolf.

If there's a tie vote the option is to put none of you in jail and just let the SK go hog wild since the town would have already lost. Also if there's an alpha the town will still lose even with a lynch

There are no tow night kills left, so the next day, the town will look like this:

Tie (Kingmaker)

2W + 2T + 1 SK The town votes to determine the winner.

So, the SK still has a 50% chance of winning. Better than 0% chance, don't you think?

It's not a 0% chance

If the SK and wolves don't vote together to tie, this is what happens:

Scenario 1 (Town wins)	Scenario 2 (Town wins)
SK killed Wolf jailed with Alu/Kat and killed 1W + 2T Town lynches wolf and wins	Wolf killed 1W + 1SK + 3T Wolf and SK are jailed together; neither is killed 1W + 1SK + 3T (still) Town votes out SK/wolf Remaining SK/wolf is jailed together with Alu/Kat and killed

Ball is in your court, SK.

Guaranteed loss, or let the town choose the victor?

As mentioned above, this is entirely false. There are no more night kills and the Warden can't lock the same person up two times in a row.

 

[Local Hero]

Or I should say consecutively

 

[Smacktard]

Can't jail same person twice

They will only need to jail once if there's one wolf left, then:
Jail SK + Wolf
Vote out SK
1W+3T
Night
1W+2T

Town wins.

 

[Local Hero]

They will only need to jail once if there's one wolf left, then:
Jail SK + Wolf
Vote out SK
1W+3T
Night
1W+2T

Town wins.

And what is your suggestion?

 

[Jawneh]

Looks to be to have the solo lose is what im seeing.

 

[Jawneh]

K Local. Let's play our cards.

I got 3 people doused. Whatchu got?

 

[Local Hero]

No one doused

 

[Jawneh]

No one doused

... you're then the most unfortunate solo killer out there, and that's in a game where the wolves had two shadows and failed to lynch anyone lmao.

But I don't believe you lol.

 

[Kat]

For some reason some Americans wear shoes in the house, which really fucks my brain up. I don't understand it.

Do they put their shoes up on the furniture when they're laying on the couch and wanna slouch?

Do they take their shoes off beside the bed, then wake up in the morning and get right back into them?

Do they wear their shoes to the shower? Or do they carry their shoes to the shower? Do they step back into their shoes right after showering?

So many questions.

I know so many people who wear their shoes inside, even on the couch. I hate wearing shoes, I don't even have them on outside half the time.

The fake ass ritualist

Anybody hear read xkcd? This makes me giggle every time.

If you were the SK, which SK would you be, and why:
the arsonist
the serial killer

You're forgetting a possibility.

... you're then the most unfortunate solo killer out there, and that's in a game where the wolves had two shadows and failed to lynch anyone lmao.

But I don't believe you lol.

Maybe "doused" is too specific of a word and doesn't apply to him.

So town, what can we do if they tie the vote? Benzine could jail the SK so the wolves can't kill Benzine, then they'd have to guess who else isn't protected to get their kill in for the night. At best, that just puts us in this same position tomorrow though. And we wouldn't be able to do it two nights in a row.

I don't want to have to choose the winner. Both teams have played well, I'd be satisfied with either of you winning, but I want you to have to win it. I'd sooner keep the poll tied than make either of you winners that way.

However, I'm not against using the threat of a lynch to our advantage. Perhaps we need to force the SK to shoot their shot, since it's our only hope if they don't vote with us. Benzine and Alu, what do you think about lynching Local tomorrow if he doesn't kill anybody before then?

 

[Aluse Cannon]

So town, what can we do if they tie the vote? Benzine could jail the SK so the wolves can't kill Benzine, then they'd have to guess who else isn't protected to get their kill in for the night. At best, that just puts us in this same position tomorrow though. And we wouldn't be able to do it two nights in a row.

Why wouldn't they be able to kill Benzine if the SK is in there?

 

[Jawneh]

Maybe "doused" is too specific of a word and doesn't apply to him.

He specifically also said doused. If he is being coy with that piece of wording, he'd have to be a serial killer with 27492864 kills in the bank. At that point, either lynch him or let him win.

Why wouldn't they be able to kill Benzine if the SK is in there?

If Benzine is killed, the prisoners are immediately released and can use their night actions.

 

[Kat]

Why wouldn't they be able to kill Benzine if the SK is in there?

Because it'll free the SK, who could potentially kill them. They could do it, but it's risky.

 

[Kat]

Everybody forgot about the illusionist.

Illusionist
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can choose to disguise a player. Any disguised player will appear to be the Illusionist to all seers and will be reported as the Illusionist if they are killed. Disguising is treated as a "normal solo killer attack" for the purposes of being blocked. During the day, at any time, the Illusionist can decide to kill all disguised players. If the Illusionist is killed, all players will no longer be disguised. Players killed by the Illusionist still will not have their roles revealed. Aura: Unknown

Too bad, you wolves could've used it as an excuse for why Local shows as unknown but is still a wolf and not the alpha.