Zell Wolf GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Day 3 + Night 4

[Zell 17]

Greetings friends,

Here is a list of players:

@Cole
@Tubby23
@Fire Queen
@shortkut
@Tommy Boy
@Ants!
@Dean
@Ryan!
@Killface!
@Jawneh
@VashTheStampede
@Holly
@Fool's Requiem
@Benzine
@A Long Time Named Nipple
@Kat

And here are the roles used in this game:

Role details here: https://gwforums.com/threads/role-dictionary.427/

Village team:
Gunner
Medium
Witch
Aura Seer
Detective
Doctor
Priest

Three villagers will get random roles from the following list. This is a true random selection with replacement, the game could have four aura seers or four doctors or whatever:
Aura Seer
Spirit Seer
Flower Child
Tough Guy
Bodyguard
Beast Hunter
Witch
Marksman
Avenger
Loudmouth
Red Lady
Priest
Sheriff
Doctor

Wolf team:
Wolf Avenger
Berserk Werewolf
Wolf Seer
Shaman Wolf

Solo team (Voting):
Fool

Solo team:
Serial Killer


Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 36 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted. Nights will run from 9 am ET to 9 pm ET, with the exception of the night starting right now that will last from now until 9 pm ET on Saturday.

Do not edit your posts. I'll deal with edited posts as they come but will probably end in a suicide.

You have unlimited vote changes. This includes voting nobody. The day expiration time of 9 am will be strictly enforced. If your post / vote is at 9 am or later, it will be discarded. People can have a flurry of late vote changes to lynch someone, but of course the consequences of doing that will be noticed by the village. Only your last vote will be counted. Votes must be in Bold to be counted.

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Timing may impact some events. For example, let's say the witch PMs me to kill the medium at night ten minutes before the medium PMs me who they want to revive. Too bad medium, you are dead, and your powers along with it. Similar for protection. If the doctor is protecting the Aura seer, the wolves could kill the doctor followed by the serial killer killing the Aura all in one night.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The medium has access to this forum already. If you are revived by the medium, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the serial killer

Wolves: Kill the serial killer. Once the village has twice as many total people as there are wolves, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Fool: Get lynched

Serial killer: Be the last player remaining with all other players dead.

 

[Zell 17]

Dean has been killed by the werewolves. They were the Marksman.

Get to killin'! 4 votes are required to lynch

 

[VashTheStampede]

Barring shamananigans, Killface is evil.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I'm guessing Ryan was lying about his role (but not about which team he was on) in order to try and make the wolves not go after him on a regular night? But what the hell, I guess someone was lying.

Hopefully we can get some more verification on Killface, but doubt that's possible with the mostly being inactive. Why did you check Killface? Thought it would be a safe one that wouldn't be masked?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Pour one out for my homie Ryan, I thought he made a hell of a play.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Why did you check Killface? Thought it would be a safe one that wouldn't be masked?

Why is it important for you to know that?

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Why is it important for you to know that?

It's not, really. And probably best for you to not share actually if you want to make good use of your ability again in the next night. I was just curious.

I'm all on board for voting for him this round (just double checked the Fool to make sure it wasn't evil).


For reference, I actually threw suspicion on Killface yesterday based on the inactivity and not seeing the berserk used on a night it would have guaranteed two kills in the town. When I did that, Kat tried to use the same reasoning there as a way to throw more suspicion on me (without realizing I was actually active in the first day).

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Here's my post yesterday to show I'm not making that up, about saying I had suspicion of Killface.

GWF Wolf - Zell's Version Day 2 + Night 3

And I forgot some rules already lol. So we might not have marksman or avenger or anything. Just guaranteed 2 gunner shots.

gwforums.com

Also Ryan's lie almost certainly made Dean in particular super suspicious of me.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

That post I linked is before I went back and checked the description on the berserk, so my numbers were off there on how much of the town would have been dead.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

It's early and no one else is posting yet. But if you take everyone at their word here, Gunner, you basically have a guarantee at this point.

Cole
Holly
Kut
Vash

Let's say are safe townies that are likely confirmed at this point.

I've claimed a random townie role.

There are only 6 townies left. Hopefully vash is in fact confirmed and Killface is another wolf. That would mean to you, the other two people would be the last wolf and the fool.

On the same token, that also means the wolves now would know exactly who you are (while the town does not, and won't be certain to protect you tonight).


Should everyone at this point who has claimed a role be telling the truth, the Gunner can give us a 50/50 shot of ending the game today by picking one remaining people to shoot. Even if you pick the fool instead of the wolf, the town would know the last wolf tomorrow and win.


IF everyone is telling the truth.

 

[shortkut]

Voting @Killface! because I hope @VashTheStampede is telling the truth

I investigated kat and dean last night and they were on different teams.

Now obviously the shaman could have targeted her because she was a prime suspect after yesterday or she could be the fool.

Alternatively, the gunner can take out both kat and killface now

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Lmao if it's Killface and Kat as wolves, they were the two I suspected yesterday.

Gunner, please shoot Kat


Voting Killface!

 

[VashTheStampede]

Lmao if it's Killface and Kat as wolves, they were the two I suspected yesterday.

FWIW that was my thought as well and I assumed kut would check Kat and/or you last night.

 

[shortkut]

Lmao if it's Killface and Kat as wolves, they were the two I suspected yesterday.

Gunner, please shoot Kat


Voting Killface!

If they are both wolves and the gunner takes them both out then game over now, we win

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Voting @Killface! because I hope @VashTheStampede is telling the truth

I investigated kat and dean last night and they were on different teams.

Now obviously the shaman could have targeted her because she was a prime suspect after yesterday or she could be the fool.

Alternatively, the gunner can take out both kat and killface now

Gunner can shoot twice, but only once per day. Shoot Kat, vote Killface.

 

[shortkut]

FWIW that was my thought as well and I assumed kut would check Kat and/or you last night.

I was going to check kat last night before yesterday’s day phase even started. I was waffling between Alu and dean for my second person to investigate

 

[VashTheStampede]

Kat could still be the fool, so I agree shooting her would be the best option, but we still have like 142 hours left in the day so no need to rush until everyone gets a turn to chat.

 

[Killface!]

First, I am honored that someone would check me. I have to catch a flight for work. I leave in about 30 minutes, but I do have time to say a few things about this new accusation.

If we are taking things at face value, we will say that Vash is telling the truth and is the Aura Seer. This leaves the following people, Dean, Jawneh, Alu, and myself as people who we don't know much about, role wise.

This would give the shaman a 25% chance to shaman one of us for Vash/Kut to check. If i'm the wolves, then those individuals make the most sense to use the power on. Cole/Holly/Kut have basically proven that they are 100% townie.

They've already done this once last night for the check that Kut did. Is it possible that the wolves really are playing 5D chess and they are one step ahead?

 

[VashTheStampede]

It's definitely possible

 

[Aluse Cannon]

First, I am honored that someone would check me. I have to catch a flight for work. I leave in about 30 minutes, but I do have time to say a few things about this new accusation.

If we are taking things at face value, we will say that Vash is telling the truth and is the Aura Seer. This leaves the following people, Dean, Jawneh, Alu, and myself as people who we don't know much about, role wise.

This would give the shaman a 25% chance to shaman one of us for Vash/Kut to check. If i'm the wolves, then those individuals make the most sense to use the power on. Cole/Holly/Kut have basically proven that they are 100% townie.

They've already done this once last night for the check that Kut did. Is it possible that the wolves really are playing 5D chess and they are one step ahead?

Dean is dead. You also didn't mention Kat here, who definitely doesn't have much known about her.

Either you meant Kat instead of Dean, or this was a slipup and you just admitted Kat is the wolf shaman along with you being the berserk wolf

 

[VashTheStampede]

Also he's probably prepping for a flight so I can easily see a simple slip up.

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Also he's probably prepping for a flight so I can easily see a simple slip up.

It's fair to have a wrong name in there when in a hurry for sure.

 

[Killface!]

It's definitely possible

Just saying, people are throwing out accusations and immediately voting for me. The days are too long for this.

Dean is dead. You also didn't mention Kat here, who definitely doesn't have much known about her.

Either you meant Kat instead of Dean, or this was a slipup and you just admitted Kat is the wolf shaman along with you being the berserk wolf

Sorry, I did mean Kat. I saw a bunch of people typing at the same time I was and was trying to get something out the door before everyone started voting for me.

 

[Killface!]

Also he's probably prepping for a flight so I can easily see a simple slip up.

Not even somewhere good. It's just Michigan.

I never get the fun trips.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (4 required):

Killface! - 2 shortkut, A Long Time Named Nipple

No vote - Cole, Tommy Boy, Killface!, Jawneh, VashTheStampede, Holly, Kat

Votes to skip (8 required):

No vote - Cole, shortkut, Tommy Boy, Killface!, Jawneh, VashTheStampede, Holly, A Long Time Named Nipple, Kat

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I think at this point it's safe (ish) to say Killface isn't the fool being masked at the very least. If he were he could have just stayed silent and gotten the votes and won today.

 

[Cole]

Jesus guys, I sleep in for 45 minutes and you just go to town?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Not even somewhere good. It's just Michigan.

I never get the fun trips.

I know one place you're gonna go in Michigan


Cause you're gonna get GOT, WOLF!

jk have a safe trip

 

[Cole]

I'll post for realsies once I feel awake enough to exist

 

[VashTheStampede]

Jesus guys, I sleep in for 45 minutes and you just go to town?

I have impulse control issues

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I'm dogsitting starting last night and was woken up early.

 

[Zell 17]

I woke up just to open this thread for you degenerates

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Just throwing out there that:

If Killface was masked, it means Kat wasn't and is either a wolf or the fool. If Kat was masked, it means Killface is a wolf. They can't both have been masked.

If one of the two was masked (not my leading theory) it more likely would have been kat imo.

Gunner, if you take me at my word (please do), you should still be able to end this either today or tomorrow for us. All of the other townies have gone public. Safer bet is the non-Killface shot.

 

[Cole]

there's a lot to unpack here already.

FIRSTLY: @VashTheStampede I am here to talk to you about the Wolfvengers Initiative.

welcome aboard. for *anyone* that counts the validity of Vash, please step into the gallows now. for Vash to have been lying now, there would be an insanely specific set of circumstances, including a LOT of luck. Randomly getting FQ, shortkut identifying Vash as evil when he wasn't, the shaman blocked someone else instead of Holly, and on. (I'm too tired to remember every branch) the bottom line is. Fire Queen having been a wolf means, in my eyes, Vash is what he says.

The Wolfvengers: Myself, Holly, shortkut, Vash

as long as we stay undivided we now have the power to lynch all by ourselves.

next I wanna talk about @Ryan! I need everyone to understand how smart a move he made. he saw the role claiming about to go down and figured he should join in. to mask being the doctor, he chose someone to claim that covers him perfectly, not only does the role do the same thing, but the bodyguard also has an extra level of protection even if he IS challenged. tempts the wolves to not even try.

it was a high value move and played very well. great job.

thirdly. so I had an interesting thought process last night.

I had said yesterday I believed Alu or Kat were wolves, but only one of them.

so I was trying to decide who to protect last night. g he first thought I had was Vash. he's the one who can identify between fool and wolf, shortkut can not. but then I wondered "is the seer valuable enough for the wolves to try and berserk", and if so, how many other protectors would try for him

I wanted Vash alive, but I couldn't go down with a big berserk hit.

so looking through the rest of the list, everyone seemed so random. shortkut and Holly, sure. I probably could've protected Holly as we're not a major threat to the wolves anymore, but instead I went back to that 50/50 or Kat and Alu.

if I'm right that one was a wolf and one wasn't, they would want the other one to pin as a scapegoat. they re both smart enough for thst. but then I thought, what if I'm wrong and they were both townies, the wolves might put one of them down to cast suspicion on the other.

so I chose to protect Alu. obviously it doesn't seem to have worked, but I said full honesty!

now onto today.

as far as I'm concerned, shortkut and Vash are BOTH 100% safe and if they have played me, well then I suck and they rule.

Vash said Killface is confirmed evil.

shortkut says dead (townie) was on a different team to Kat.

so that means we have another enemy of the town.

but which? or both?

the shaman could have stuck with the same belief thst shortkut would choose me of Holly (or indeed even Vash) as his metric, but instead he chose two others. Vash also chose someone at random nearly that was highly inactive.

so first question: would the shaman use his move on Dean, Kat, or Killface when shortkut had 3 confirmed townies to compare to? maybe, if they didn't think shortkut would keep the pattern. I think if *I* were shortkut, I'd probably have gone back to comparing ME to someone else.

but along side that, there were 8 players left (7 from the perspective of shortkut or Vash), if they both picked random, or picked from a non confirmed pool, what are the odds of the shaman ALSO making a correct guess.

I think it's *possible* both Kat AND Killface are enemies.

so the question becomes today and who do we kill.

if they're both bad guys, one could be the fool.

if they re both bad guys, than the Shaman didn't mask any of them, which means Killface is DEFINITELY a wolf and Kat could be 50/50 which would mean the gunner should put down Kat and Killface should be lynched.

it gets more difficult when we factor in the shaman could have hit someone relevant to today.

I think we have to take a chance. I think the Gunner should target Kat and then we go from there. we are risking a townie but we need answers. if Kat can somehow defend herself prior to the GUNNER TAKING ACTION we can reevaluate.

after Kat dies and we find out what she is, it will reveal a lot of information about Killface. if Kat is a townie, Killface is 100% wolf. if Kat is a wolf or the fool, we can reevaluate on Killface.

I would suggest NOT voting Killface at the moment until we can see what Kat is.

Gunner I hope you're paying attention.

 

[Cole]

I know no one likes when I do this but tough shit.

@Kat @Killface!

now is the time to claim a role if you're going to.

but just remember, we'll all be waiting for a false role claim, so if you claim a role, best so it with telling us every thing you had done during this game with your abilities.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Killface's role is "Passenger"

 

[Cole]

with only 4 votes to lynch.

@shortkut and @A Long Time Named Nipple I would encourage you both to change your votes for now.

and any one else that votes until we potentially get a gunner kill (or we've waited too long), I'm probably just gonna assume you're the fool

 

[Aluse Cannon]

Sure. Changing to no vote for now

 

[shortkut]

with only 4 votes to lynch.

@shortkut and @A Long Time Named Nipple I would encourage you both to change your votes for now.

and any one else that votes until we potentially get a gunner kill (or we've waited too long), I'm probably just gonna assume you're the fool

Even if it takes 4 votes, I am voting do not skip for the day phase so there is plenty of time. Yesterday we had more than enough votes for FQ but the phase didn’t end. I’m leaving my vote for now

 

[Cole]

Even if it takes 4 votes, I am voting do not skip for the day phase so there is plenty of time. Yesterday we had more than enough votes for FQ but the phase didn’t end. I’m leaving my vote for now

agreed on no skipping for mow

 

[Aluse Cannon]

I would like to petition for a consultant spot on the Wolfvengers Initiative - there's no way for me to officially prove who I am at this point so the consultancy is the best I can hope for. My qualifications include:

Being the first person to come to @VashTheStampede 's defense with a reasonable explanation, helping to save a townie and dooming the wolf FQ
Being the first (and only) person to throw suspicion on Killface
Being the first person to throw real suspicion at Kat

With Vash proven innocent and one or both of Killface and Kat being wolf/fool, I think that should earn the gunner's trust enough in me.


If somehow Killface or Kat were targeted by the shaman and are indeed the Gunner themselves, they would still know who all of the non-townies are and could take action.

 

[shortkut]

Being the first person to throw real suspicion at Kat

She’s been suspicious since day 1, so I’ll give you credit for all but that one

If somehow Killface or Kat were targeted by the shaman and are indeed the Gunner themselves, they would still know who all of the non-townies are and could take action.

This would be the only way to save themselves. Publicly use their gunner ability to take out the other one

 

[Cole]

I would like to petition for a consultant spot on the Wolfvengers Initiative - there's no way for me to officially prove who I am at this point so the consultancy is the best I can hope for. My qualifications include:

Being the first person to come to @VashTheStampede 's defense with a reasonable explanation, helping to save a townie and dooming the wolf FQ
Being the first (and only) person to throw suspicion on Killface
Being the first person to throw real suspicion at Kat

With Vash proven innocent and one or both of Killface and Kat being wolf/fool, I think that should earn the gunner's trust enough in me.


If somehow Killface or Kat were targeted by the shaman and are indeed the Gunner themselves, they would still know who all of the non-townies are and could take action.

at best you're Bruce Banner, you're here for consultation only, but if you start getting hairy, we're dropping you off the ship.

I don't trust you yet, those things could also be wolf plans, but yes, your input will be considered.

I'm Captain Wolfmerica
Holly is Balck Fur Widow
shortkut is Wolfeye
Vash is Cyclops because he's fucking dumb and would never otherwise get on the Wolfvengers but in this very small instance, he can we things we can't. (Cyclops sucks)

Alu is Bruce Banner, but if he turns into a hairy brown rage monster, he sleeps with the silver fishes.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Vash is Cyclops because he's fucking dumb and would never otherwise get on the Wolfvengers but in this very small instance, he can we things we can't. (Cyclops sucks)

Gunner please take me out, Cole doesn't deserve a win.

 

[shortkut]

shortkut is Wolfeye

I would have gone with eyeman, does some good things but also reckless

 

[Cole]

I would have gone with eyeman, does some good things but also reckless

well I'm the boss. shut up or I'll demote you to Cyclops 2

 

[Tommy Boy]

It's extremely easy to claim gunner when you have to perform your actions in daylight because you don't have to prove anything until the action actually happens, as Tubby showed us. But as soon as you perform your daytime action, you're revealed. If you try and play the game without forming alliances based on role-claiming, then it's nearly impossible to get a shot off with guaranteed protection next day.

Someone is lying. This is too easy.

 

[Cole]

It's extremely easy to claim gunner when you have to perform your actions in daylight because you don't have to prove anything until the action actually happens, as Tubby showed us. But as soon as you perform your daytime action, you're revealed. If you try and play the game without forming alliances based on role-claiming, then it's nearly impossible to get a shot off with guaranteed protection next day.

Someone is lying. This is too easy.

oh Tommy...

oh you poor child. I think you are the fool.

Gunner, this is the end game. you need to take someone out and expose who you are or there's no point, youll lose your bullets. take out Kat, if she's wolf, Tommy's fool.

 

[shortkut]

well I'm the boss. shut up or I'll demote you to Cyclops 2

Isn’t that just a biclops?

 

[shortkut]

oh Tommy...

oh you poor child. I think you are the fool.

Gunner, this is the end game. you need to take someone out and expose who you are or there's no point, youll lose your bullets. take out Kat, if she's wolf, Tommy's fool.

@Jawneh do it