RFK possibly dropping out of the race this week and endorsing Trump instead

[Ants!]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ard-talk-potentially-backing-trump-rcna167606

Honestly, I think that's probably more desirable than potentially peeling away votes from Harris as a 3rd party candidate. ...right?

 

[dimmerwit]

In the most recent polls RFK had moved to peeling votes from Trump, though the effect wasn't very big.

 

[Ants!]

Okay that would make sense, since it seems his leanings are more in line with Trump anyway (thus the possible endorsement and joining his administration if he wins). In that case I guess it's better if RFK stays in, depending on the polling in each state.

 

[Fire Queen]

his ass would not be dropping out if it was still biden lol. i also struggle to imagine a person who would be torn between rfk jr and kamala but i’m sure they exist. maybe someone going on name alone assuming every kennedy is a democrat? but the rest of his family has been pretty vocal about disowning him so

 

[dimmerwit]

his ass would not be dropping out if it was still biden lol. i also struggle to imagine a person who would be torn between rfk jr and kamala but i’m sure they exist. maybe someone going on name alone assuming every kennedy is a democrat? but the rest of his family has been pretty vocal about disowning him so

I think it's a mix of both those things.

For the RFK -> Kamala switchers I think it's a case of people supporting RFK thanks to a disaffection from both parties/politics in general rather than any love for his policies.

For the latter point RFK's favourability amongst Republicans has held steady but amongst Dems and Independents it has dropped. I guess there are people who don't follow the news that much and who were not very aware of what he stood for. Both groups I'm talking about are really small in the grand scheme of things..

 

[dimmerwit]

Also for what it's worth in that recent NYT/Siena wave of battleground state polls the split between RFK voters supporting Harris and Trump was exactly equal.

 

[Quagmire]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ard-talk-potentially-backing-trump-rcna167606

Honestly, I think that's probably more desirable than potentially peeling away votes from Harris as a 3rd party candidate. ...right?

Anyone voting for RFK is much more likely on the right

Hope he stays in

 

[Mark]

Okay that would make sense, since it seems his leanings are more in line with Trump anyway (thus the possible endorsement and joining his administration if he wins). In that case I guess it's better if RFK stays in, depending on the polling in each state.

Or… hear me out… Trump drops Vance, citing controversies and drama (aka, stealing the show) and pushes RFK Jr. up in his place.

That would be just wild enough to be on the next episode of ‘Murica.

 

[Fire Queen]

…i hate how realistic that sounds AND how it would probably work

 

[Mark]

…i hate how realistic that sounds AND how it would probably work

…can you tell that nothing would surprise me anymore?

The fucked up thing is, I’m not even trying to be funny. It’s easy to see how both sides are playing angles, like this is some kind of damn game, but it almost is to them. I’d love to wake up tomorrow, turn on the news, and see actual and tangible campaigning. Not this “vote for me because I’m not them” bullshit we’ve grown numb to.

 

[dimmerwit]

If it makes you feel better then it's already too late to change VP candidate in 14 states with two more added after today.

 

[Kat]

Remember there was a sizeable group of people who switched from Bernie to Trump. It's not always right vs left, some people are just voting against "the establishment". I think it won't matter much in this case though.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I feel like the people who would be voting for RFK would likely be voting Republican if Trump wasn't the nominee. I don't know if this helps or hurts the Harris campaign.

 

[Jon]

Not EVERYONE supporting RFK are on the right. A lot of his staff are actually former democrat campaign members. His supporting Trump is a small blow to Harris because even 2% of the 5% he's earned makes a large enough dent in the overall polls.

 

[dimmerwit]

Not EVERYONE supporting RFK are on the right. A lot of his staff are actually former democrat campaign members. His supporting Trump is a small blow to Harris because even 2% of the 5% he's earned makes a large enough dent in the overall polls.

This wouldn't matter though. If the number of Democrats he attracts is smaller than the number of Republicans it's a benefit to Harris.

 

[Jon]

This wouldn't matter though. If the number of Democrats he attracts is smaller than the number of Republicans it's a benefit to Harris.

It matters in a race this close. If, for example, it's 48% Trump, 47% Harris, 5% RFK and he drops out and 3% go to Trump, 2% to Harris, it's 51/49 in favor of Trump.

Of course, these numbers are both hypothetical and made up, but the point is the same. Every little bit counts, and him pulling 5% away from both mat be more tolerable if he's pulling more Trump support away.

 

[Fire Queen]

also anyone left-leaning or even centrist who supports RFK jr is just plain ignorant. my man has been a “vaccines cause autism” guy since the late 90s

 

[dimmerwit]

Oh, I assumed you meant it the other way. As in RFK attracting 3% from Trump and 2% from Harris.

 

[Rachel]

remember when he first tried to secure a cabinet position in exchange for dropping out/endorsing Kamala? Now he's set to endorse Trump. He is a total grifter.

 

[Jon]

remember when he first tried to secure a cabinet position in exchange for dropping out/endorsing Kamala? Now he's set to endorse Trump. He is a total grifter.

He's a Kennedy. He's a "sell your soul to the devil for a dollar" kinda guy lol.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

RFK supposedly officially endorsed Trump. Safe to assume most people who were leaning RFK were not going to vote Democrat.

 

[Quagmire]

Really wish he had stayed, finally a 3rd party candidate that would have hurt republicans

 

[Mark]

Really wish he had stayed, finally a 3rd party candidate that would have hurt republicans

It’s like a mirror of Sanders dropping out. Just another bent knee in Washington.

 

[Cam]

remember when he first tried to secure a cabinet position in exchange for dropping out/endorsing Kamala? Now he's set to endorse Trump. He is a total grifter.

Makes me wonder if he has a cabinet position lined up if Trump wins in November.

 

[Ancle Suck]

For the most part he was attracting people who wouldn't have otherwise voted because they hate the parties so much or feel disenfranchised. Apparently his subreddit is full of people who feel betrayed now.

Immediate polling showed less than a percent change in favor of Trump, but that's to be seen for sure.

 

[VashTheStampede]

So it looks like he only dropped out of states where he would damage Trump's chances but is still filing to be on the ballot in states where he may siphon from Kamala (Never-Trump Republican votes basically).

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So it looks like he only dropped out of states where he would damage Trump's chances but is still filing to be on the ballot in states where he may siphon from Kamala (Never-Trump Republican votes basically).

this guy is a fucking chode...

 

[Jon]

this guy is a fucking chode...

He said he didn't want to play spoiler, so he's only playing spoiler for the dictator.

 

[Fire Queen]

So it looks like he only dropped out of states where he would damage Trump's chances but is still filing to be on the ballot in states where he may siphon from Kamala (Never-Trump Republican votes basically).

turns out because he's so bad at filing paperwork there are some swing states in which he's gonna remain on the ballot even though he tried to withdraw lol. for example in north carolina some precincts have already started printing absentee ballots so he's stuck on there

 

[Ancle Suck]

turns out because he's so bad at filing paperwork there are some swing states in which he's gonna remain on the ballot even though he tried to withdraw lol. for example in north carolina some precincts have already started printing absentee ballots so he's stuck on there

 

[Ancle Suck]

Those 4 would win the election for Harris I believe...but also if she wins Wisconsin and Michigan but not PA.

 

[Jon]

How fucking funny would it be for her to win all those swing states and watch the Republicans blame RFK for cheating for the Democrats?

 

[VashTheStampede]

 

[Jon]

The Republicans finally reaping what they sow.

 

[Ben]