Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 4 part 3

[Benzine]

Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

@Alu
@Ben
@canadaguy
@Christina
@dimmerwit
@Fool's Requiem
@Jawneh
@Jon
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Quagmire
@shortkut
@TD
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede
@Zell 17
Dead body

And here are the roles:

Village team:
3x Random Strong Villagers
8x Random Regular Villagers

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
4x Random Wolves

The werewolves can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
1x Random Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Jailer/Warden protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check + gets results
Detective check + gets results
Aura Seer checks + gets results
Spirit Seer check
Sheriff check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer gets results
Sheriff gets results
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The player may have access to this forum at night. If you are revived, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).

 

[Benzine]

Zell died and was the Bell Ringer, the wolves killed him.

I think that's all but I'm in a rush and won't be back proper for a bit.

 

[A Punched Face]

Oh fun, can't wait to hear the reports back from Jawneh and Kat.

Who else is still alive at this point? Dimmerwit, Quagmire, and Vash? So 6 of us, with 1 wolf and one SK, and hopefully 0 SVs remaining?


Well I suppose if both Jawneh and Kat are who they say they are, then Local was likely the SV and Vash/Quagmire are the last wolf and the SK.

 

[Benzine]

if someone could do the poll while i'm flat out that'd be appreciated

 

[A Punched Face]

I'll let a dead person take care of that so they have a chance to say they participated in the day.

 

[shortkut]

I'll let a dead person take care of that so they have a chance to say they participated in the day.

I think I did it right

 

[Kat]

Well, fuck. I checked Zell because he was at the top of Jawneh's list, he didn't seem like he'd be much of a target for the wolves if good, and I was starting to get evil vibes from him (bell ringer is easy to fake, especially after everybody has role claimed).

I guess we'll wait for Jawneh and see if he has any info for us today to narrow it down. The SK will show as blue though.

 

[A Punched Face]

Well, fuck. I checked Zell because he was at the top of Jawneh's list, he didn't seem like he'd be much of a target for the wolves if good, and I was starting to get evil vibes from him (bell ringer is easy to fake, especially after everybody has role claimed).

I guess we'll wait for Jawneh and see if he has any info for us today to narrow it down. The SK will show as blue though.

What fun. So I guess it'll come down to who we can believe here.

Killing off an unconfirmed townie is an interesting move, to say the least.

 

[Kat]

What fun. So I guess it'll come down to who we can believe here.

Killing off an unconfirmed townie is an interesting move, to say the least.

Yeah it's fucking weird, there's already so few places to hide. I think I would've gone after Jawneh, personally. Hmm.

 

[Kat]

Well I suppose if both Jawneh and Kat are who they say they are, then Local was likely the SV and Vash/Quagmire are the last wolf and the SK.

Hmmm. Vash isn't acting evil though. Maybe playing the fool as an SK?

 

[A Punched Face]

Knowing Zell was likely to target dimmerwit as the only 100% confirmed townie, I guess it made sense to kill off the person who would get information from that.

But still, that just leaves it down to:
Vash: who has been described as "not town" by a seer type, really wants Quagmire dead
Quagmire: who has been very inactive and doesn't have much of a claim (easy to hide behind the claim he has for sure)
Me: Said his role but has no way of proving which side he's on

Jawneh: claims seers apprentice and helped get two wolves taken out (technically 3 if you count the outing of TD as aftermath from Ben being shot)
Kat: claims violinist and that Vash is on non-town

Dimmerwit: only 100% confirmed townie


For Vash to be able to be headhunter targeting Quagmire, both Kat and Jawneh need to be lying about who they are. For him to be fool, one of the two of them needs to be lying. For him to be either a wolf or the SK, both Kat and Jawneh can be telling the truth.

 

[A Punched Face]

For that reasoning:

I know I'm town, with an SV still around, as well as an SK and Wolf, there's only room for 3 townies, with dimmerwit being one. If he's headhunter targeting Quagmire, Quagmire needs to be town, meaning all 3 spots are taken (me, dimmerwit, Quagmire). If he's fool, Quagmire can be anything, but there would still only be 3 town slots left, with two of them being me and dimmerwit. So at least one of Jawneh and Kat would need to be lying for that.

 

[Kat]

For that reasoning:

I know I'm town, with an SV still around, as well as an SK and Wolf, there's only room for 3 townies, with dimmerwit being one. If he's headhunter targeting Quagmire, Quagmire needs to be town, meaning all 3 spots are taken (me, dimmerwit, Quagmire). If he's fool, Quagmire can be anything, but there would still only be 3 town slots left, with two of them being me and dimmerwit. So at least one of Jawneh and Kat would need to be lying for that.

Hmm. Or you're lying, obviously.

Can Local be the SV? What happened with CG being illusioned yesterday but not dying when Local died?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ok so I've got news!

I watched Zell last night!

Either Kat or Jawneh is a wolf!

 

[A Punched Face]

Hmm. Or you're lying, obviously.

Can Local be the SV? What happened with CG being illusioned yesterday but not dying when Local died?

I know I'm not lying, but no one else does. Everything else is from my perspective.

But even from your perspective for Vash to be headhunter targeting Quagmire, Jawneh would need to be lying.

 

[A Punched Face]

Ok so I've got news!

I watched Zell last night!

Either Kat or Jawneh is a wolf!

Oh? Kat and Jawneh are a coupled wolf and SK? Is that what you're saying?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Oh? Kat and Jawneh are a coupled wolf and SK? Is that what you're saying?

I was given their names as possible Zell murderers. I don't know about any coupling tomfoolery.

 

[A Punched Face]

I was given their names as possible Zell murderers. I don't know about any coupling tomfoolery.

Oh I know, I'm just having fun with theory crafting based on what people say. I have no seer abilities nor ways to prove myself as town, so I gotta go through all possibilities to see what fits best.

 

[Jawneh]

Well, this is going to be an awkward day. I checked Zell and only Zell last night to try to pin point the last wolf.

I was torn between checking Zell and Kat. As Kat asked what to do in terms of her seering for today, I made a list of my most to least sus at the time, not including her. Though afterwards I did tell her to choose randomly as the illusionist can just ruin her check. I didn't do her in the end thinking Zell would be more likely to try to build a case as a bellringer than Kat as a violinist. I guess in hindsight, if Zell was faking it, probably by yesterday he would've faked something already? Hindsight thinking here now.

The extra awkwardness now is that Kat basically doing what I did last game as the arsonist. Following the plan, but getting confused about it and doing something close enough to being the right thing. It was on me to post the list first and follow it, but I did say afterwards to pick someone else, but there's no mention of choosing Zell randomly after the plan had changed.


Now, the rest of the gang. Lets make this even more awkward lol.

I'm choosing to believe Alu as he's been putting quite a bit of effort into posting, giving insight, and making sense of everyone's roles and claims. If he's one of the baddies, then well... nothing much I can do than say kudos lol. Maybe that's finally a small insight to him being good vs. evil? No clue.

So the awkward x3 part. The Quagmire and Vash thing. There's a case to be made to believe Vash as NOT being a hh as he was saying to shoot him until dimmerwit shot Ben. So maybe? To make things worse, as it's been mentioned, we don't know about Local. If he was the SV, then there's no reason to doubt Vash. Honestly, the weirdness with the illusionist tags are making this odd, as we don't know for sure if Local was a protector, but the weirdness can only be explained by protection weirdness. So I believe we still got the SV alive.


Err... Yeah. I've been slowly trying to type this for like half an hour at least and being distracted. There's been posts that I gotta read now lol.

 

[A Punched Face]

But why would you watch Zell, an unconfirmed townie, as opposed to a confirmed townie?

 

[Jawneh]

Well, we know Vash is not a townie now.

For me or Kat to be a wolf, Quagmire can't. And he was already saying he was bad.

 

[A Punched Face]

Well, we know Vash is not a townie now.

For me or Kat to be a wolf, Quagmire can't. And he was already saying he was bad.

To be fair, he walked back on calling Quagmire evil and implied he also could have been the SK. He made a stink about it yesterday when we pointed out he specifically used the word "evil" and that's where the accusations of bad dongs came about.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Well, we know Vash is not a townie now.

For me or Kat to be a wolf, Quagmire can't. And he was already saying he was bad.

Yeah but my Quagmire call was based solely on Passenger Theory and not any true evidence

Considering he was also rather checked out last game (post-election) that is a variable i neglected to plug into the Passenger Algorithm

I am willing to admit i may have been wrong about him

 

[A Punched Face]

How is this only day 3 with so few people left? lmao

I was going to go back and ask who our violinist checked in all, but she's only had two chances so far.

 

[Jawneh]

To be fair, he walked back on calling Quagmire evil and implied he also could have been the SK. He made a stink about it yesterday when we pointed out he specifically used the word "evil" and that's where the accusations of bad dongs came about.

He can't even be the illusionist as the illusionist kills during the day. No way a sheriff can see that.

So now it's just a question if he's a wolf, illusionist, or fool. I'm fairly confident him not being hh now.

 

[VashTheStampede]

He can't even be the illusionist as the illusionist kills during the day. No way a sheriff can see that.

So now it's just a question if he's a wolf, illusionist, or fool. I'm fairly confident him not being hh now.

Again, I never said it was based on legitimate intel

 

[Jawneh]

How is this only day 3 with so few people left? lmao

I was going to go back and ask who our violinist checked in all, but she's only had two chances so far.

Suicide priest and marksman, plus a wolf avenger lol. It's kind of rough.

 

[A Punched Face]

He can't even be the illusionist as the illusionist kills during the day. No way a sheriff can see that.

So now it's just a question if he's a wolf, illusionist, or fool. I'm fairly confident him not being hh now.

He said it wasn't based on any actual reads and that he missed every chance for a read until today.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Last night was the only time I hit on a viewing

 

[A Punched Face]

Why was Zell at the top of your sus list, by the way? Why wasn't it either Vash or Quagmire (or even me I suppose)?

Just trying to figure out what led to the ordering that then led to both of you only checking Zell.

 

[A Punched Face]

(Also Zell did tell you to only read one person at a time with how few are left, so I'm not giving fault for that).

But how on earth did we get a situation where all 3 of the claimed seer types all targeted the same unconfirmed townie who ended up being targeted by the last remaining wolf?

 

[VashTheStampede]

No offense to anyone else playing but I chose to watch Zell last night because I figured he'd be the one the badongs would be most scared of logic-ing this out

 

[Jawneh]

It's an odd batch of everything, considering everyone went for Zell.

Why was Zell at the top of your sus list, by the way? Why wasn't it either Vash or Quagmire (or even me I suppose)?

Just trying to figure out what led to the ordering that then led to both of you only checking Zell.

I wanted to believe Kat and after telling her to check something randomly to avoid the illusionist, I was thinking she'd pick Vash or Quagmire. I kind of went over Zell in my longpost there, but essentially I went with my gut on Zell as a fake bellringer over Kat violinist. Either one was honestly a good hiding place for an evil person. Zell just seemed more likely to me.

And with the hindsight of now, if Zell chose to claim a fake bellringer, he probably would've acted on in yesterday instead of still claiming to miss his targets.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I mean, I KNOW Kat is guilty, I just don't know about Jawneh

 

[Jawneh]

We all just really want Zell dead it seems lol. Either with or without probably cause.

 

[A Punched Face]

No offense to anyone else playing but I chose to watch Zell last night because I figured he'd be the one the badongs would be most scared of logic-ing this out

Why were you so adamant about Quagmire needing to die yesterday while willing to admit you were wrong today?

 

[A Punched Face]

Might be wrong*

 

[VashTheStampede]

Why were you so adamant about Quagmire needing to die yesterday while willing to admit you were wrong today?

Did you just ask me of all people why I'm second guessing myself?

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm asking why you were guessing yourself in the first place.

 

[Jawneh]

Okay Alu. Hear me out.

dimmerwit is good. You're saying you're good. I'm saying I am. If all that is true, Quagmire can't be town. If so, Vash being a HH isn't a problem if we choose to lynch Quagmire. Sound reasonable?

There's still the possibility of a fool, but we also have to lynch someone or I think town loses this game.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Oh we're definitely lynching someone

We start with Kat

 

[Jawneh]

Oh also. A fun side-fact.

If there's a cupid and the illusionist is part of it, this game is already over lol.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I'm asking why you were guessing yourself in the first place.

100% bog standard badong play from Quagmire

Posting a bit, just enough to not be absent, not helping with any deduction really.

The gold standard for Passenger Play. Would 100% have shot him if I had a gun.

 

[A Punched Face]

Oh also. A fun side-fact.

If there's a cupid and the illusionist is part of it, this game is already over lol.

Unless the illusionist is paired with the last wolf.

 

[A Punched Face]

Actually just thinking that through.

Wolf kill would have been kept different from Illusionist kill, meaning a second townie would already be dead. But unless the SV is still around, it would still leave it as 3-2 town to not. If the SV is still around in would be 2-3 and the town would be done. So the hope is Local was the SV or that there's no couple.

 

[Jawneh]

Could the illusionist pull the trigger today already please? I'd be much appreciated.

 

[Jawneh]

Actually just thinking that through.

Wolf kill would have been kept different from Illusionist kill, meaning a second townie would already be dead. But unless the SV is still around, it would still leave it as 3-2 town to not. If the SV is still around in would be 2-3 and the town would be done. So the hope is Local was the SV or that there's no couple.

I'm not following this. The illusionist can kill at any point during the day. Right away, in the middle, a minute before the day ends.

 

[Kat]

The extra awkwardness now is that Kat basically doing what I did last game as the arsonist. Following the plan, but getting confused about it and doing something close enough to being the right thing. It was on me to post the list first and follow it, but I did say afterwards to pick someone else, but there's no mention of choosing Zell randomly after the plan had changed.

How am I getting confused? You told me to pick one of the three and I did. I didn't pick randomly because that's silly.

(Also Zell did tell you to only read one person at a time with how few are left, so I'm not giving fault for that).

This is partly why I picked Zell. It felt like somebody trying to give themselves more places to hide.

I wanted to believe Kat and after telling her to check something randomly to avoid the illusionist, I was thinking she'd pick Vash or Quagmire.

Why would I pick Vash? I already checked him! He's not town, so the only question is whether he's evil or SNV. I actually kinda thought you might pick him, for that reason (though it wouldn't clear him of being the SK).

dimmerwit is good. You're saying you're good. I'm saying I am. If all that is true, Quagmire can't be town. If so, Vash being a HH isn't a problem if we choose to lynch Quagmire. Sound reasonable?

You and Alu would have to both be evil for Quagmire to be a HH target, and while I'm not completely convinced that's not true (let's be real, this kind of lie would be right up your alley if you were an SK, even though that'd be some risky lying), I assume you wouldn't suggest lynching Quagmire if it were likely to end the game.

What if Alu is the last wolf? He said he can prevent a lynch. It's kind of dangerous to leave him alive if he's potentially evil.

Marksman and flower child are both good covers.

 

[A Punched Face]

Man it would be funny if the illusionist got paired up and then illusioned cupid to death.

 

[A Punched Face]

I'm not following this. The illusionist can kill at any point during the day. Right away, in the middle, a minute before the day ends.

There are 6 people alive right now. Killing one would make it 5 people. If the SV is already dead there would still be 3 townies left. If the illusionist is paired with a wolf the 3 townies would just need to lynch one of the two of them and the game would end.

Watch it be dimmerwit in a couple with a wolf though.