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Zell Wolf Not Zell Wolf 4 part 2

Lynch? 5 please

  • canadaguy

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  • dimmerwit

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  • Jawneh

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  • Kat

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  • Local Hero

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  • TD

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  • VashTheStampede

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Dictionary: https://gwforums.com/threads/zell-wolf-role-dictionary-and-hall-of-fame.427/

Here's the list of players:

@Alu
@Ben
@canadaguy
@Christina
@dimmerwit
@Fool's Requiem
@Jawneh
@Jon
@Kat
@Local Hero
@Quagmire
@shortkut
@TD
@Tommy Boy
@VashTheStampede
@Zell 17
Dead body

And here are the roles:

Village team:
3x Random Strong Villagers
8x Random Regular Villagers

Note: There will be NO MORE than one person who has a "speak with the dead" role. There will also be no more than one person with a "lock players up at night" role. There may be none of either, but there won't be multiple.

Wolf team:
4x Random Wolves

The werewolves can be any of the numbered wolves (except regular werewolf) listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
1x Random Killer

Wildcard Role:
1x Random Fool/Headhunter/Werewolf Fan/Cupid

If the Werewolf Fan is selected, one wolf will become the Sorcerer.

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

Votes will be conducted via poll. The poll will close exactly at the deadline. You have unlimited changes until that point. If this sucks we'll go back, even if it's mid-game (not mid-day).

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2 - 1. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player. They'll be posted in the forum as usual. Once you vote to skip, you cannot unskip.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Beast Hunter picks up trap (if moved)
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Warden weapon used
Wolf seer/Sorcerer check
Wolf seer/Sorcerer choice to resign
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Jailer/Warden protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check + gets results
Detective check + gets results
Aura Seer checks + gets results
Spirit Seer check
Sheriff check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer gets results
Sheriff gets results
Beast Hunter places trap
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The player may have access to this forum at night. If you are revived, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo killer. Once the wolves make up half the total players, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo Killer: Kill all other players.

Wildcard Role: Satisfy your winning condition. Your winning condition trumps any other that may occur at the same time. (For example, if you lynch the fool and it creates a situation where there are 3 wolves left and 3 villagers, the Fool wins only).
 
Whew - cherry popped and I'm alive.

I suppose that means that Local Hero is neither wolf nor solo killer.
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Let's play the elimination game.

Alu - ????
Ben - ????
canadaguy - ????
dimmerwit - Gunner
Jawneh - Seer Apprentice -> Spirit Seer
Kat - ????
Local Hero - ???? (Not killer by TD)
Quagmire - ????
TD - Red Lady
VashTheStampede - ????
Zell 17 - Bell Ringer

All strong villagers are accounted for. There are 5 regular villagers left.

Local, what are you claiming so we can verify TD.
Jawneh, what was your information last night?
I watched TD and Kat last night, mostly on the assumption that TD could die.

Alu/Ben/canadaguy/Kat/Quagmire/Vash - There are likely 5 baddies in this group of 6 if TD is real. So, if you are the ONE not baddie, I'd get to claiming. Until then I'm voting people in the group.
 
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I'm out here slowly typing with one hand working on the post that Zell basically just made and then he goes and posts it. Well at least my fingers got saved some work.

Also worth noting that no matter the likelihood, we have anywhere from 2 to 4 wolves remaining. My belief is 3, though.
 

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I hope Jon tried to shoot me last night. I have a role with a wolf counterpart that won't clear me even if I use my power, because of the wolf counterpart.

I will just say that I was the second person to but for Christina yesterday (after Kut) and then was one of the earlier ones to get back on voting for her after Jawneh made his reveal. Hopefully that gives me a bit of credibility.
 

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I will just say that I was the second person to but for Christina yesterday (after Kut) and then was one of the earlier ones to get back on voting for her after Jawneh made his reveal. Hopefully that gives me a bit of credibility.
Among the first to vote especially when it's minutes after the reveal is merely a product of being online, not innocence.

In the interest of fairness, you were also very vocal (perhaps the most vocal) that shortkut was a real wolf upon his death.

I'm not sure the scenario swings your credibility one way or the other.
 

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Among the first to vote especially when it's minutes after the reveal is merely a product of being online, not innocence.

In the interest of fairness, you were also very vocal (perhaps the most vocal) that shortkut was a real wolf upon his death.

I'm not sure the scenario swings your credibility one way or the other.
I was online the whole day and made it known that kut called out Christina (and dimmerwit) as being red when I could have ignored it. Also I pushed back on Jawneh before moving my vote back. I think I was vote #5 or so for her the second time around then a couple more people voted for her before the dams broke and everyone did.

Also I was "vocal" in saying "it's possible that Christina put the trickster on kut hoping he'd be shot instead, but more likely it was kut as the real trickster." I completely left the possibly open. Then a couple of other people started joking about "wouldn't it be crazy if there were multiple tricksters!" And that now is likely a conversation that should be reviewed since it stands to reason that they may have wanted people to believe kut was a real wolf for if/when Christina also went down.

Someone wrote down the order of those last few people hopping on board, right?
 

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I was online the whole day and made it known that kut called out Christina (and dimmerwit) as being red when I could have ignored it. Also I pushed back on Jawneh before moving my vote back. I think I was vote #5 or so for her the second time around then a couple more people voted for her before the dams broke and everyone did.

Also I was "vocal" in saying "it's possible that Christina put the trickster on kut hoping he'd be shot instead, but more likely it was kut as the real trickster." I completely left the possibly open. Then a couple of other people started joking about "wouldn't it be crazy if there were multiple tricksters!" And that now is likely a conversation that should be reviewed since it stands to reason that they may have wanted people to believe kut was a real wolf for if/when Christina also went down.
This is indeed what happened - but again, my main point is it's not the credibility move that you are trying to display it is. At best, it's neutral.

Besides, even if you're not a wolf you could be the solo killer or wild card.
Someone wrote down the order of those last few people hopping on board, right?
7, 8, 9 were some blend of me, cg, and dimmerwit.
 

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Let's play the elimination game.

Alu - ????
Ben - ????
canadaguy - ????
dimmerwit - Gunner
Jawneh - Seer Apprentice -> Spirit Seer
Kat - ????
Local Hero - ???? (Not killer by TD)
Quagmire - ????
TD - Red Lady
VashTheStampede - ????
Zell 17 - Bell Ringer

All strong villagers are accounted for. There are 5 regular villagers left.

Local, what are you claiming so we can verify TD.
Jawneh, what was your information last night?
I watched TD and Kat last night, mostly on the assumption that TD could die.

Alu/Ben/canadaguy/Kat/Quagmire/Vash - There are likely 5 baddies in this group of 6 if TD is real. So, if you are the ONE not baddie, I'd get to claiming. Until then I'm voting people in the group.
I'm the avenger so have been trying to lay low all game, as people like to kill me and I don't want to take anyone I'm not certain of being a wolf with me if I die.

Of that list, I'm perpetually suspicious of Vash but I'm not necessarily sure he's a wolf this time. I'm also not sure I trust TD/Local as it seems like a pretty easy way to cover one of your own, just by claiming you fucked and didn't get the ick.

So I'm inclined to vote Vash on instinct, but I now worry he might be the Fool or something so I'm second guessing myself.
 
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Also what are we thinking for potential remaining wolf roles at this point? There clearly was a trickster. With hitting two strong townies in 2 nights they either are incredibly lucky or have some type of seer (though I guess FR may have been publicly alluding to his role yesterday with the questions about reviving kut).
 
I'm the avenger so have been trying to lay low all game, as people like to kill me and I don't want to take anyone I'm not certain of being a wolf with me if I die.

Of that list, I'm perpetually suspicious of Vash but I'm not necessarily sure he's a wolf this time. I'm also not sure I trust TD/Local as it seems like a pretty easy way to cover one of your own, just by claiming you fucked and didn't get the ick.

So I'm inclined to vote Vash on instinct, but I now worry he might be the Fool or something so I'm second guessing myself.
How do you feel about Alu?
 
Alu - Flower Child / Librarian
Ben - Avenger
canadaguy - Confirmed Villager
dimmerwit - Gunner
Jawneh - Seer Apprentice -> Spirit Seer
Kat - ????
Local Hero - Protector (Not killer by TD)
Quagmire - ????
TD - Red Lady
VashTheStampede - ????
Zell 17 - Bell Ringer

So that's 9 people fighting for 4 roles.

Let's see what Jawneh brings to the table here...@canadaguy, do you have any kind of role that can help? Or is there no use waiting. Seems to me you are hinting Avenger.
 

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How do you feel about Alu?
Like, on a personal level?

Game talk I'm not sure that I get wolf vibes from him either, but I feel he's been inclined to jump on other people's suggestions of innocence/guilt more than normal, which implies he wants more people dead. If I had to guess right now I'd probably think Alu is the solo killer and Vash is the non-violent.

I blind picked canadaguy night 1 and shot him night two.

Also...

I was just here so I don't get fined.
I'm fine with you buggering it up, as that at least confirms canadaguy is good. Now go die again, you murderer.

Alu - Flower Child / Librarian
Did he claim Flower Child? Because if so that's something he can easily prove if we do vote for Alu today.
 

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Did I miss anyone?

Also I didn't specifically claim which of the 2 I am, but Zell has the right idea there. Jumping on a "lunch him to prove he's what he says he is" train isn't great when it wouldn't prove one way or the other and would waste a day we could spend trying to figure other things out.

Don't want people getting distracted by that possibility instead of digging through any info that might come up.
 

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If you believe TD and Jawneh are real, then the 4 remaining killers are in this group of 6:

Alu / Ben / Kat / Quagmire / VashTheStampede / Zell 17
I'm less inclined to believe TD than I am Jawneh at this point.

I do think that TD likely cleared Local regardless of his role though. Would be a correct move to try and gain trust of a townie if you're not really the Red Lady, rather than clear another wolf as your first move.
 

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Greetings fans! I am back from the coziness of my own bed! How lovely it is there.

I do have news. Sadly, since none gave me any help with how to keep my damn cat in check, and kut managed to die before he could teach me all his cat wrangling experience, my papers are all messed up again. Sigh.

Since I am barely a professional spirit seer, I simply started from the top of the list and looked at Alu and Ben. Of course the darn cat went and only messed up the top of the pile. I can tell you that there was a red post it note on at least one of their files. I just can't remember which had it. Welp.
 
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Greetings fans! I am back from the coziness of my own bed! How lovely it is there.

I do have news. Sadly, since none gave me any help with how to keep my damn cat in check, and kut managed to die before he could teach me all his cat wrangling experience, my papers are all messed up again. Sigh.

Since I am barely a professional spirit seer, I simply started from the top of the list and looked at Alu and Ben. Of course the darn cat went and only messed up the top of the pile. I can tell you that there was a red post it note on at least one of their files. I just can't remember which had it. Welp.
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Since I am barely a professional spirit seer, I simply started from the top of the list and looked at Alu and Ben. Of course the darn cat went and only messed up the top of the pile. I can tell you that there was a red post it note on at least one of their files. I just can't remember which had it. Welp.
This plus Vash says Ben is an evil no-goodnik, and probably the wolf avenger sadly.
 

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The numbers are getting a bit tight there.

11 left alive, 6 town, 5 not.

CG
dimmerwit

Jawneh
Vash

That's 4 either confirmed or loosely confirmed (giving Vash the benefit of the doubt here with picking evil people out)

I know what I am, which would leave room for only 1 more town spot available.

Ben & Quagmire evil (according to Vash)


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3 of those 5 would need to be evil if Jawneh and Vash are telling the truth. You all currently have no reason to believe me, but it would be 3 of 4 who aren't me if you do believe me.
 

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I mean Jawneh says he saw red from looking at both of them, Vash claims that Ben and Quagmire are evil.

I'm inclined to like Zell's idea of shoot Ben, avenge kill Vash, and if Vash is the Aura Seer we lynch Quagmire.
 

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He said he had a power that had a wolf analogue, so using it wouldn't prove him. That would mean flower or librarian for me.
Oh right, I forgot about the wolf versions of those. I get your point about staving off a lynch not proving anything, then.

Still, I'd rather not be shot in the face as a litmus test for someone's moral standing, regardless of who I have it on.

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3 of those 5 would need to be evil if Jawneh and Vash are telling the truth.
2 of those 5 are the same person, and you're forgetting about Kat, so for someone who I feel is usually on the ball with this shit you're making some pretty wild errors. I assume purposefully.

That's why my vote is on you, because I believe you're full of shit and either a wolf or the solo-killer.
 

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So here is where we are at:

Jawmeh sees red on Alu and Ben.
Vash claims he saw Evil on Ben and Quagmire.

My thought process says shoot Ben and have him avenge kill Vash. If Vash is indeed an aura seer, we kill Quagmire.

If Ben is a normal avenger, we kill Alu.

Most people seem to believe Jawneh so it seems to make the most sense.
 
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